David Icke and political peadophiles. Is it time to re adress his claims?

a reply to: Blaine91555

bilking the poor out of money

How did you come to the conclusion that Mr.Icke's demographic is poor?

If he were to be correct about one person, that changes nothing.

It doesn't change everything...
But it definitely changes something.

The only difference is the topics of the material he is peddling.

I'll just say that people will pay for things they find informative, interesting, entertaining, or all of the above...
& as proof I refer you to the contribution bar at the top of the page.

& I dare say, respectfully speaking, I've heard more ridiculous claims here than I've heard from David Icke.


But that's just my opinion on this.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Actually I did not conclude his target is the "poor". It was a comparison of the techniques used to peddle their wares.

His target is anyone he can convince to part ways with their money and send it his direction.

Many people have used the same method in many ways. A charismatic person in front of a receptive audience with a pile of books and DVD's to buy near the exit and you have the formula. If they can get them to actually pay to hear the sales pitch, all the better.

a reply to: Blaine91555

Ok fair enough pal, that's my reading comprehension.
I apologise, my friend.


What I would say is that most of what he makes goes back into his research & presentations, whether it's his gatherings or production of DVDs etc...
& like I said earlier, we all spent money that goes to much more nefarious people in this World.

A lot like ATS using the contributions to better their output, I see him putting the money back into what his demographic want to learn from.


It's not like he lives in a mansion with acres of land snacking on caviar & lobster...
He actually lives a very modest lifestyle.



But even so, I respect your opinion on the matter.
Just thought I'd share mine.

char·la·tan
ˈSHärlədən,ˈSHärlətn/
noun
noun: charlatan; plural noun: charlatans

a person falsely claiming to have a special knowledge or skill; a fraud.

Now David Icke has been exposed to the elite circles in his past life at the BBC. So there is a possibility that he has privileged information. Some of his claims are wild and out there that is for sure.

Are they false? Have they been proven to be wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt?

Not thus far.

Some think that if I say the sky is blue and that a rock is soft like cotton, because one of the claims is false, I am a liar on both accounts? David Icke said a lot of wild claims such as: there is a pedo ring harbored by the elite and the elite are lizards from another dimensions because the latter is false then the prior is also?

Let's take it one claim at a time please.

a reply to: nonspecific

Whatever people say about David Icke may of his theories have proven to be true. For that reason alone i give him the benefit of the doubt. I think he has earned it.

A documentary from a few years ago that asks this same question.

youtube

Even though I don't agree with many of his claims, this show actually made me look at him in a different light.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: noeltrotsky

I think when you start claiming pretty wild things about living people then you have a responsibility to be able to prove those claims. I believe English common law calls it slander if you can't prove your claims then it is punishable...and rightly so.

& yet none of these people have taken him to court...


Make of that what you will.

Taking someone to court for slander or libel means having to prove that you suffered damages as a result of it and it also opens up your entire life for public scrutiny. Few people would be willing to do that even if they were slandered. I think it's bizarre that guilt is assumed when it involves public figures and the wealthy and powerful.

David Icke on Satanic Ritual, interesting none the less.



A common misconception about Icke's Reptilians, the reason he calls them such is because many pre-biblical depictions of these deities they are worshiping, which are also demons, djinn, whatever you want to call it, shows them as being humanoid with lizard-like features.

He also claims that the power elite are not shape shifters themselves, but are in contact and influenced by them through this kind of satanic ritual. Really makes you wonder now...

People love or hate David Icke. Whether you want to disregard him because of reptilians or not, he's been right about his fair share. I think a great deal of his work is incredibly valuable. Like anything, you have to find the real gems yourself.

Like anything that gets as big as Icke has gotten, corruption or pure craziness is bound to happen at some point. Some of his stuff is a quite a bit out there, but with the OP in mind, I think it's kind of silly not to give him his due for this subject. He's talked about it forever. I think suggesting that he just makes wild predictions and some of them stick, is complete and utter nonsense.

David Icke says a lot of weird/crazy stuff. He also says a lot of stuff that should absolutely be taken seriously. If you're not bright enough to figure out which is which, well, then by all means, please continue your blind hatred for the guy.

Personally, I think he should be taken with a grain of salt; but taken nonetheless.

Well... Even a broken watch it right twice a day....



It's the law of odds really, even blindfolded, if he throws enough darts he'll eventually hit a bullseye.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
David Icke has been spot on and I am starting to believe that it is so embedded in the whole establishment, if the truth is ever exposed, it will be their downfall; hence the delay of any inquiry.

The police themselves have been saying this.... the difficulty in bringing about a full criminal investigation however is,... the whole criminal justice system itself could be compromised and corrupt by these same pedos, and it almost certainly has been at in the recent past due to closure of previous police investigatihons and confiscation of evidence by "special branch"... man this will be bloody.

originally posted by: angelchemuel
I haven't bothered reading all of this thread....the FACT that Icke worked at the BBC is enough for me to know where he got his info from all those years ago....so why didn't he go public then? Was that why he had to 'leave' the BBC?

To answer your question....no it would not make me consider any of his other claims.....most were made way before he did...and his 'reptilian' and 'moon' stuff is just a load of nonsense to cover his back from being 'eliminated'.

Jane

Don't agree, he pretty much hits the main problems with this world, smacks that nail dead center. All of it.

I quite like David Icke, the problem is, he believes the british establishment is made up of shape shifting reptilians. This is where I lose confidence in his sanity.

But do you have any proof that they are not!

i honestly think that when he writes his autobiography it will be called "don't mention the reptillians"

Is his belief any more crazy than believing that Jesus christ was the son of god, that is a pretty crazy story itself and has just as much evidence to back up it's claims?

a reply to: woodwardjnr

a reply to: nonspecific

I believe what is being told publicly, by Icke or others, is just the tip of the iceberg.

The common Joe and Jane have no clue, nor would they want to believe or try to, what goes on among the reek-ranks of the elite, busy as they are surviving day to day, or tranced up in front of tv.

Whether the "lizzard thing" is true or not, it is not relevant to the complexity of the panorama Icke exposes. One cannot form an educated opinion about such complexity by addressing just one fraction of this panorama.

We'd have first to understand why or how it is possible that we live in a hologram, and according to Icke, a manipulated one. Modern science backs this up more and more.
We'd have to understand how the human body/mind acts like a software, between consciousness and subconsciousness, that "we" are connected to and part of an 'eternal source,' experiencing reality in a subjective way.
That our conscience and subconscience can be manipulated continuously, directly and subliminally into believing and most importantly, creating our own reality.
That the energy we emanate (here it gets tricky) serves the real powers that be to feed off of. These entities exist in other dimensions/vibration frequencies, purportedly they have hijacked our reality and that their representatives on Earth do these ritualistic deeds, whether paedophilia or human sacrifice to keep em happy and satisfied.

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David Icke has had the bravery and guts to expose, at his best understanding and effort, this kind of reality. He is not afraid to die for his beliefs. That says a lot about this man. Maybe before jumping into the ad hominem bandwagon we need to do our own questioning of reality and those who determine our quality of life.

a reply to: nonspecifici don't believe the Christian mythology either. I try to operate on the premise that extra ordinary claims require extra ordinary evidence.

a reply to: nonspecific


Ummm...Well...I...for one can't say for certain whether the Queen and co., are reptiles or...not...

I know that allot of your respondent's are making bold claims of...KNOWLEDGE...in their non-belief...

However...being as I haven't personally traveled to every shadowy corner of the multi-verse...Explored every single possibility...then I could hardly make such a claim...now...could I...?

Point being...that I would personally reserve judgement until I had been there and seen the "all"...

Now...stating this however does not equate to belief one way or the other...evidentially speaking...or even offhand belief.

It's much like stating that Science claims that other species in fact advanced species could and should exist...does not equate to a claim of ET or shape shifting lizards...however it also does...NOT...equate to confirmation of their non-existence...either...

All of that aside...One CAN...draw conclusions on his claim of high level pedophilia and murder...especially in the face of recent comments to the positive by certain law enforcement bodies...

I hope this helps certain persons to open their minds to possibility...and not fall prey to placing fact before knowledge...






YouSir

David Icke's worldview is very strange. The paedophilia accusations are merely added by him to make his target - the elite lizard people - and their supporters, even more evil. After all, what can be worse than a person conniving to control mankind? Yes, that's right, someone who is also a paedo.

The investigation of past alleged paedophile activity amongst some people in authority can only be harmed if people start looking to Icke as a source of knowledge.

Icke's approach is based on the fact that he looks so reasonable and also has a living to make. The fact he makes his living pandering to the gullible who buy his books and go to his shows, just shows how controlling some people can be!

Regards

a reply to: nonspecific

David Icke was right about the elites that they are were involved in "satanic" sex rituals. I understand why they dont like Icke but dont forget he was right about this as for his claims of the moon and others well we do live in a strange world so he could be right again.

I dislike the opinion that because David Icke sells books his ideas can simply be discredited as nonsense created to trick people into giving him money.

It does not apply to other authors, would you apply the same dismissal to the works of say Richard Dawkings or Noam Chomsky?

a reply to: paraphi