David Icke and political peadophiles. Is it time to re adress his claims?

You know it is worth pointing this one fact out, there has for a long time been a use among espionage and counter intelligence services of mind altering substances that literally damage the victim/target's mind (this varied by the strength of the mind of course and Mr Ike seems to have a strong one), sometimes by being laced on paper or other material the intended target will come into contact with but which have a time out as there chemical nature breaks down under exposure, now maybe and just maybe mr Ike was given a message by someone and a follow up message came not from that source but a COINTEL damage operative trying to tie up the damage and perhaps discredit the source.

Was David Ike in receipt of information that was going to rock the establishment and reveal these filthy evil scumbag's that are definitely guilty of these crime's and perhaps a great many other's and did a member of MI6 or some other intelligence agency take measures to make MR Ike look crazy with such a substance as a botched but partially successful attempt to discredit this source?.

There is also the Rumour that Jill Dando was in receipt of information concerning a paedophile network operating in thatcher's and other government's and that her death was a direct result of her starting to investigate the allegation's.
www.theguardian.com...

What she and David Ike have in common is that though Mr Ike was a sport's journalist and presenter they were both nevertheless Journalists and as such may have posed a threat to these person's.

There is definitely more to it and the more I think on it the more I now see your point, I believe Mr Ike if he was exposed to such a substance is likely now completely healed but these substances do leave permanent mind altering effect's and he may perceive element's of reality that we miss having been so made hypersensitive to them.

Of course I am only assuming he was the victim of such an action but it does seem at least a possibility, still he is an intelligent man and has done not too badly out of it after all is said and done and good luck to him if that is the case.

a reply to: noeltrotsky

I think when you start claiming pretty wild things about living people then you have a responsibility to be able to prove those claims. I believe English common law calls it slander if you can't prove your claims then it is punishable...and rightly so.

& yet none of these people have taken him to court...


Make of that what you will.

I agree that he has made some wild claims but this one may come to be true, if I remember correctly and it is true he actually called this person out and demanded he sued him for libel so it went to court to be investigated but the person declined.

This may have been debunked and if so I appologise

a reply to: noeltrotsky

originally posted by: nonspecific
As above, if it turns out he was right would it not make you reconsider some of his other theories.

Maybe not the lizzard thing but would you give him a little more credit?

a reply to: the owlbear

I do give him credit for positing questions against the status quo.
But if what he had to say was for the benefit of mankind against the evils of extraterrestrial/dimensional or just bunghole elite humans...why does he charge for the information? There is little to no substantiation for nearly all of his claims.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Exactly.

If I were being slandered in such a way, you can bet I would be bringing it up in the courts.

originally posted by: nonspecific
I agree that he has made some wild claims but this one may come to be true, if I remember correctly and it is true he actually called this person out and demanded he sued him for libel so it went to court to be investigated but the person declined.

This may have been debunked and if so I appologise

a reply to: noeltrotsky

He also claimed he was Jesus on live t.v. before the sex abuse claims...
do you believe that?

I haven't bothered reading all of this thread....the FACT that Icke worked at the BBC is enough for me to know where he got his info from all those years ago....so why didn't he go public then? Was that why he had to 'leave' the BBC?

To answer your question....no it would not make me consider any of his other claims.....most were made way before he did...and his 'reptilian' and 'moon' stuff is just a load of nonsense to cover his back from being 'eliminated'.


Jane

That is a commonly misheald belief i think.

I would like to point out here that I am not a die heard Icke fan, just asking a question.

I think you are reffering to his interview on wogan which was taken far out of context.

a reply to: the owlbear

originally posted by: noeltrotsky
a reply to: nonspecific

I think when you start claiming pretty wild things about living people then you have a responsibility to be able to prove those claims. I believe English common law calls it slander if you can't prove your claims then it is punishable...and rightly so.

I wouldn't want someone calling me a Pedophile with no proof and screaming it all over the place. In a civil society things like that aren't allowed.

Icke has so many wild claims out there it is going to take more than one being true to get me to shift my judgement of him. Alot more than one.

He's calling them out. Who has brought a slander case against him?

Of course people think he is mad because of his claims whilst his profile was so high. His reputation was destroyed overnight, yet he has been proven right on Saville and now this.

Reptilians? You can't handle the reptilians.😉

many people have come out saying that they voiced concerns about individuals at the time but were silenced.

It is the same in the current investigation, people were told to shut up or face the repercussions.

a reply to: angelchemuel

Agree or disagree with him as you say he was destoyed in the media and still went on to become a sucesful author, public speaker and film maker.

Not many people can say that. I expect Russell Brand to be the next one.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

originally posted by: nonspecific
That is a commonly misheald belief i think.

I would like to point out here that I am not a die heard Icke fan, just asking a question.

I think you are reffering to his interview on wogan which was taken far out of context.

a reply to: the owlbear

Umm...

I watched it.
it wasn't out of context.
he repeated the claim shortly thereafter.
When he didn't gain the following as "messiah", he borrowed the reptilian thing and ran with it. Sometimes they were ET, sometimes they were the original earthlings...his message changes with the times and his audience. When the matrix movie made millions...suddenly, David Icke thought we were all living in a computer matrix thing or whatever.

The child sex ring thing isn't new. John DeCamp exposed one in the States in the '80's...if one was smart, they'd accuse the leaders of their country as well.

a reply to: nonspecific

With all the news surrounding Jimmy Savile, satanic rituals, and pedophilia, I'd say David was on the right track all along. Wasn't Savile a good friend to the Royal family?

a reply to: the owlbear

He said he was the son of God actually, not Jesus.


He also said we are all the children of God.

I think it's a Buddhist thing.



What you've just done is share the media narrative of what Mr.Icke said instead of his actual remarks.

originally posted by: nonspecific

Agreed but the point I was attempting to make is that he did not make a broad claim but highlighted certain individuals in particular.

Which is good. Every little bit helps, regardless of who it comes from. But you have to admit, since it was Icke people are going to be slower to embrace it than if it were anyone else.

If these eminent elites came into investigation and were found guilty it would go a long way towards re-evaluating his work.
a reply to: Taupin Desciple

You've heard about the Scotland Yard investigations and findings, right? Chances are good that the person he named, others did as well.

In my opinion though, most reputable people will not be re-evaluating his work because of this.

Agreed, I can not find the full interview right now but as I remember he said we are all the god head.

He did make a bit of a tit of himself as he was naive bet here is the show wogan did years later to try and resolve the situation. bear in mind this is 8 years ago and I think Icke does a damn fine job.




a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Personally, I don't agree with everything David Icke says.


But I feel the same about everyone, even here at ATS.

We all disagree on things, common & outlandish alike.



I wouldn't be surprised if Mr.Icke was a member of ATS, a well respected one at that.




It's far too easy to knock the guy, for me, anyone who is made a pariah by their peers & the Media...
Is probably a lot closer to the truth than those who judge.


If he was wrong on everything, these people would ignore him...
When they go out of their way to mock him & make him look bad...

Well...

Ad Hominem comes to mind.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Personally, I don't agree with everything David Icke says.


But I feel the same about everyone, even here at ATS.

We all disagree on things, common & outlandish alike.



I wouldn't be surprised if Mr.Icke was a member of ATS, a well respected one at that.




It's far too easy to knock the guy, for me, anyone who is made a pariah by their peers & the Media...
Is probably a lot closer to the truth than those who judge.


If he was wrong on everything, these people would ignore him...
When they go out of their way to mock him & make him look bad...

Well...

Ad Hominem comes to mind.

It's far too easy to knock the guy because of the outlandish claims he has made.
If he wants to be taken seriously...quit being Stephen Greer...or Stephen Greer quit being David Icke. Or whatever. Your money, people, if you want to give it to these loons, more power to you.

If that's what makes you sleep better at night. Go for it.

Scientology is a religion, too.

I have given money to David Icke buy buying his books and dvd's

If that makes me a loon though so be it, I also plan to click on that link at the top of the page and hit pay now.

Happy to be a loon

he worked for the bbc so he prob knew stuff