QUESTION to ALL Atheists!

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Do computers require a creator?

a reply to: BlackManINC

The mind is telling them that God exists, but in their heart, they don't want to believe it, and no amount of evidence you bring forth will change that.

I agree, but it is possible to change the heart. The atheist prides himself of Science and Logic, but has no philosophical reason for believing that they can know anything with any certainty. Therefore their lifestyle is internally incoherent with there supposed beliefs. If one can come to understand how their own world view is flawed then the heart has two choices to change or to flee the truth.

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

Do computers require a creator?
How much more intelligent must that creators mind be?
So intelligent, it too requires an explanation for its existence?
How much more intelligent must the creators mind be?
So intelligent, it too requires an explanation for its existence?
If God doesn't require a creator to explain its existence, why do we?

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

I wouldn't have asked any of those questions lol. Do computers need a creator? Its a simple yes or no.

originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: WhiteAlice

Funny thing is most of the Missionary sorts who come after me assume the word "Pagan" means "hippy pacifist".... I train in Military unarmed combat, know how to shoot, and have worked security as an undergrad .... I'm not a soft target

But see, that is actually to your advantage in case they determine that you need an exorcism to be saved. In that case, being misjudged as a hippy pacifist would simply tip the scales even more in your favor. I've got a friend of mine who is, by all appearances, a total hippy. He was a military interrogator in his previous life. Never would have guessed it just looking at him until he started talking shop.

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

Yes they do. Your point?

Want to answer my line of questions with an answer not a question?

Your question implied that you think God's existence and intelligence would require a creator. Then of course that creator would need a creator.. etc. etc.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

I am answering your question I need you to bare with me. What aspect about a computer and how it functions lets you know that it was designed?

originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: WakeUpBeer

I wouldn't have asked any of those questions lol. Do computers need a creator? Its a simple yes or no.

Define "Computer" first.

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

This sounds like it's leading up to the argument from design. If I am correct, you may be trying to show that things designed by humans and things in the natural world, share properties that are characteristic of design.

Maybe the 747 Junkyard argument?

Actually, scratch that last post. I can see where you're going already and I don't think it matters.

You want an answer of Yes or No on whether "God Exists" as per one's "World View" which based on the laws of logic says that everyone must have a Yes or No answer. I have no problem with that and your logic seems fine to me so far.

But we must be perfectly clear what "God" is first, even if it's just in concept only. That is where the problem is at IMO.

The question you're really asking, when you ask someone "Does God Exist", is really "Does My God Exist"??

They can answer either "Yes or No" and still not be in agreement with you.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

This sounds like it's leading up to the argument from design. If I am correct, you may be trying to show that things designed by humans and things in the natural world, share properties that are characteristic of design.

Somewhat. The letters your reading right now carry something we call a semiotic dimension. You understand them because they carry meaning(semiotic dimension). Semiotics arise from intelligence. Binary code also has semiotic dimension. DNA works like complex computer code=semiotic dimension=product of design be intelligence. God is Spirit, and God is eternal. If something is eternal does it have a start or an end?

Another point I would like to make is there is no logical reason to assume that just because one thing was created its creator must have a creator. The argument I am posing here is that things with semiotic dimensions are products of intelligence. Our machines code carries that therefore we can imply intelligence. You cannot just turn this logic on God without first proving that his attributes require a creation.

originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
Another point I would like to make is there is no logical reason to assume that just because one thing was created its creator must have a creator. The argument I am posing here is that things with semiotic dimensions are products of intelligence.

Hold on. If that's true and Man Created the Computer but the Man Doesn't require a Creator then this conversation is over. Fine with me, but I doubt you'll agree with that.

How are you not in contradiction of yourself with that statement??

originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb

Somewhat. The letters your reading right now carry something we call a semiotic dimension. You understand them because they carry meaning(semiotic dimension). Semiotics arise from intelligence. Binary code also has semiotic dimension. DNA works like complex computer code=semiotic dimension=product of design be intelligence. God is Spirit, and God is eternal. If something is eternal does it have a start or an end?

The Semiotic Dimension, or Information, carried by written letters isn't inherent within the letters themselves. They have meaning because we have applied that meaning to them, not the other way around. The only information any such symbol inherently carries on it's own is it's existence from non existence. You might even say it's Value perhaps in relation to Zero but that is it. Binary works perfect for that. 0 or 1. Binary Code or Strings derive their meaning from us applying that meaning. 0001110010100101 is nothing more than 0 and 1 regardless of the string length unless we apply meaning to the positions. Without that all 0's are just 0 and all 1's are just 1. Nothing inherent within 0 or 1 that defines that for us.

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

Oh dear really? All this effort for this gambit.

Ok using your "logic" there is no reason this "creator" needs be a single being. It could be a group. OR it could be none.

originally posted by: TechUnique
What would be proof of God existing for you?

What would have to happen for you to go 'OH.. yeah, ok'

IS there anything that would do that? If God physically entered your room, performed a miracle and proclaimed that Jesus was his son and rose from the dead would you believe it or would you think you were hallucinating? Or would you 'Just know'?

Please answer any and all of those questions, I'm trying to understand the psychology of an adamant atheist.

No hate in this thread please.

Here's my honest answer.

I personally see no evidence of a god at all yes ok you get people arguing that the bible and so on is proof alone. But for me this isn't enough. I need something physical. I can't relate to something I can't see.

With this in mind. Yes if God appeared in my room performed a miracle. And proclaimed as you said. Then maybe I would begin to believe. But in all honesty I don't think it would be an instant thing. It would set my mind thinking and then after a while of it eating away at me I may have changed my mind.

You see I can't relate to something that someone simply tells me "Oh ye he/she is real" I need evidence of this myself. Enough to convince me. Such as physical.

originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Do computers require a creator?

Yes but only until they learn to build themselves like we do.

a reply to: InhaleExhale

yes...need is the correct word...

i have several broken/destroyed teeth...it's difficult to chew most things, and i get infections on a fairly regular basis.....i mean, i brush at least twice a day, and always after i eat, and i use a good antiseptic rinse....it's just, they're rotting/disintegrating...

i need about 15-20 thousand dollars worth of extractions and restorative work done.....my goal is to be able to have steak again...i havent had a steak in at least 6 years...i miss steak....and crunchy snacks, and popcorn, and candy bars, and pork chops, and BBQ....-sigh- ....i need to win the lottery.

a reply to: TechUnique

can you show us an example of scientists committing genocide?

can you show us an example of "people" bombing babies?

can you show us an example of "elites" conducting human sacrifice?

if you cannot, then kindly stop asserting them as fact.