Area 51 Scientist's Deathbed Show & Tell!

Yeah, that's what I meant. Oppenheimer and Teller were 1940's atomic scientists whom he mentioned. Because of need-to-know security, it's possible he was involved at some point, knew about the simple tests he did and got some crude photos, and the rest is just rumors people told him, or Alzheimer's. a reply to: Bilk22

Same alien, different photos, different story?


Alien from K-Mart?

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originally posted by: Blue Shift
Same alien, different photos, different story?

Sounds like he's referring to Bushman who has been supportive of John Hutchison's 'work.' They know each other.

a reply to: The GUT

Very, very good point Gut...A+ (even though you burst my bubble a little) but I can appreciate a good dose of probable reality any day.

You know your stuff when it comes to this subject, so I totes respect your opinion.

I've ALWAYS been a sucker for the old guys. WWII vets? Forget about it! I'd sit and just chitchat with them for a long time back in the day (when I worked w/adult patients). Those guys are salt of the Earth. Never whined and NEVER complained. They knew what misery was and being in the hospital with young and pretty nurses at their beck and call wasn't it, lol!

Mr. Bushman wasn't old enough to be in WWII, but he's of the same generation, so to speak, and that's why I tend to believe him. But, I can understand totally where you're coming from: Someone in the know feeding him "stories" who just happens to be someone he trusts. However, a lot of the stuff he claims is from his days working in the field. The alien photos I have not seen anywhere before. Have you? As a nurse, they looked pretty darn real to me, especially the back of the head shots and the feet. The face was just creepy and I just don't care to look at/into those big black eyes. At all.

I hope this is not "it" but it very well could be and poor Boyd wouldn't be none the wiser because he trusted his sources, his friends.

If the OP hasn't heard of the men mentioned in your post and their stories, he should def check them out...I've read and watched a doc about both of them. Especially Bennewitz. What an awful mess they put that guy through. Literally drove him crazy.

OG, please don't take what The GUT has offered here as a snarky comment. If you haven't read his threads, do it. They're pretty darn good. He DEFINITELY knows his stuff!!!

a reply to: lovebeck

Thank you lovebeck. What a lovely spirit you have. Intellect and a big heart---just the things that give me crushes lol. My mother for many years worked in nursing homes not because she had to, but because her spirit was lovely, too. How valuable that is in this world. Thank you, too, for that.

Yes, they were a great generation and I value my time with the Mr & Mrs. Bushman's of the world too!

p.s. - Wasn't his obituary precious? They loved him so much.

a reply to: Parthin

That man had ZERO signs or symptoms of dementia or Alzheimer's. And yes, I'm totally qualified to make that assessment.

Normal signs of aging when recalling certain memories? Yes. That's normal and you, or anyone for that matter, should be so lucky to have a mind like that when you're almost 80 years old.

Unless you know what your talking about, don't just offer up a terrible and life stealing disease to debunk a thread on ATS. It's very disheartening and insensitive to those who actually have a loved one with either, just FYI.

a reply to: The GUT

Aww, no problem! I always knew what I wanted to be when I grew up, so that helps. Too many going into nursing these days for the big money (HA) and for all sorts of other wrong reasons...but there's a few like myself that got into because that's the only thing were good at. Taking care of other people at their absolute worst. Definitely not for everyone.

Kudos to your mom for working in long term care. I tried, it just wasn't for me. Made me too sad and I routinely wanted to bring home someone else's grandpa or grandma, lol. Though most people I know wouldn't do what I do now, it's pretty hardcore when it comes to the heart breaking and sad kinda stuff. But there's a lot of happy endings as well, so I guess it evens out.

a reply to: lovebeck

I agree. He was very sharp and lucid and speaking what he believed to be the truth imo. I also lean towards the idea that some of the known-but-interesting effects he demonstrates probably have more use in black ops craft than he's allowed to say. That could certainly make some OPSEC guys go crazy.

And yes, poor Bennewitz. Even Doty said he was a patriot and a good man, his wife and children adored him too, and they mercilessly destroyed him anyway. Makes me mad.

Anyone with artistic ability and is knowledgeable in sculpting and creating props could easily make this alien, including myself. So this by far isn't evidence in itself of an alien being. It's actually not very organic looking and leans more to being prop-like. It looks like an amateurish attempt at sculpting the stereotypical movie/TV alien. The dark recesses/indentations around the eyes and ears for example, is a classic way of painting and shading a prop or mask to give it depth. Skin is more or less the same hue and doesn't have unnatural looking dark areas where shadows would be. In Blue Shifts video above, the shadow in the ear actually looks airbrushed, which is how these are painted. That's how I see it. I think what we can draw from HomerinNC prop examples is that something like this can be and is made by humans. The props shown also fit exactly into this preformed idea of alien beings, as coincidentally the alien in the photos do. They're basically the same design.

So, not believing the alien photos prove anything and every other photo shown is blurry and not very detailed, then I would have to rely upon the story that this man tells. Without any other supporting evidence such as something physical, it's still only a story to me. The mans title doesn't preclude him from fabricating the story. He could have unknown motives. Unless you have some 'truthsaying' superpower, no one knows if he's lying or not. So then you're back to a belief, which this entire phenomena is surrounded by. It's another belief in a story amongst many others with no concrete evidence. If factual evidence arrives, then this phenomena will be taken seriously.

a reply to: Ectoplasm8

The picture was posted. It's a K-Mart alien.

a reply to: Blue Shift

Well done old chap. Now are the pieces coming together?

I guess it's just in time for Halloween. Time to dust off the suit and have the daughter wear it since the boy outgrew it...

What a great video and it's not first high official who comes forward with evidence like this..
With stunning photographs . Also the spirit word they enter when they die says something that those two world's are definitely coherent with ours. That leaves the question that we might be reincarnated on to other world's and more connected to alien life outhere then we ever know.

I couldn't help but notice that within the first 3 minutes of the interview he says something like, "from them through me to you." and another 2 possible Freudian slips shortly after, one from the man who took the photo. I even heard him say lies and than correct himself, lol.

Cool story though, just not very convinced. The man who "took the photo" from AZ is pricking at my memory box. I can't pin it just yet but his expression, mannerisms and so forth look awfully familiar to me.

To make a long story short: Because of possible leaks, some dolls on the market are made that look the same as real aliens... so if leaked pics come to public, many ppl will dismiss them as being fake (dolls).

Guess who made the dolls via "proxy"?

originally posted by: rzr1911
To make a long story short: Because of possible leaks, some dolls on the market are made that look the same as real aliens... so if leaked pics come to public, many ppl will dismiss them as being fake (dolls).

Guess who made the dolls via "proxy"?

life imitating art, imitating life? art, imitating life, imitating art?

a reply to: Blue Shift

what I've heard in the interview was that this interview was taken three years after the lights . And I don't know the actual date but if those photographs were shown earlier then some could have thought to make alien toys of the exact photographs?
So finding out on what date these dolls were made can disclose the realness of these photos I think.

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: ScientiaFortisDefendit
Did the local middle school AV club produce this video? Cripes.

Im sorry but do you have anything to offer about the OP? I could care less about the video quality or which middle school shot the video, I care about the content of the video itself.

OG

ScientiaFortisDefendi is probably referring to, as have others, (including yourself) about no platform to show the pictures at least a little more clearly.
Now Boyd Bushman may have been sincere, that does not mean those around him were, I am dubious about the first more recent pictures that were shown of UFO's in the air, they look like lens effects from ground lighting, seen often enough like below, and they don't necessarily need the source to be directly in view, remember he mentions some or one of them being at an angle?

The rest of the stuff he has is interesting though.

I know what scientia meant, but posting one liners like that which offer nothing of substance, no opinion on the OP is something I frown upon. I too have stated that the camera should have been zoomed in more and the photos carefully filmed...

As far as your photo comparison to the photos of lens effects from ground lighting, I think you are just grasping at straws at this point..whats next? Pie plates and swamp gas?

OG

The Phoenix event was supposed to be flares and looking at a closer view of the picture they showed on the video it looks similar.



Compared to another supposed ufo on another thread on here, image and thread below



www.abovetopsecret.com...

The effect is similar info on the camera exposure and lens used would have been good.

Who with supposed proof like that would not have made an effort to do closeup's or insert scans of the images into the video this guy could just as easily yanking the ufo's believers chain and having a last laugh to himself before he died.

There are many threads on here with images with the same effect that's why it would have been better with real closeup's I would really like to see real proof.

a reply to: Ectoplasm8

Wow, so you know what an alien looks like? Where did you get your information?

No one, well no one here on ATS anyway, knows what an actual alien looks like. So for you to claim that you could make one and it would look better than Bushman's photos isn't really even relevant, IMHO. Those photos are old. Anyone with a set of working eye balls should be able to tell that, at least.

Millions of people claim to have been abducted and the similarities in these people's stories (including the details related to the appearance of these beings) were enough to make a Harvard Psychiatrist take notice...and actually do the work to investigate the phenomena.

That would be Dr. John Mack, btw.

It would be interesting to know when that KMart alien was made...I'm sure it was made in China, which is also interesting. If you watched the video, you might understand why.

I really wish that one day, a legitimate leaker would give us a mathematical or physics formula unknown to humanity as evidence of his/her story. That is some of the best evidence that anyone could offer, IMO. I was hoping that Mr. Bushman was going to reveal something along those lines since he was an engineer. If nothing else, I wish he further elaborated on binomial expansion of Newton's Laws being able to predict 2 to 3 new fundamental forces.

Also, does anyone know why the spinning hollow plastic cylinder (I think he called it a celt in the second video) started turning counter-clockwise?

And what was Mr. Bushman's relationship with Bob Lazar? I thought I heard him mention his name

a reply to: HomerinNC

The biggest argument to me for it NOT being a fake prop is that this gentlemen is not attempting to make money off of items or books that he is promoting. We are all familiar with those individuals who cry that the world is ending and promptly suggest that you prepare yourself by buying their unique Bug Out accessories.

Well, this guy is not promoting or selling any product. What would be the motive behind a lengthy preparation process to promote this if he was not getting any profit from it?

For that reason, I am leaning toward it NOT being a hoax.

So long . . . and thanks for all the fish!

Bishop