Area 51 Scientist's Deathbed Show & Tell!

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: lovebeck

I am not questioning how the photos were took or the process.

What I am questioning is how he came to posses them. Where those photos would have been developed and how if they have any type of official markings.

They do look old which means they weren't just done off a printer which means they had to be developed. What are the chances his scientist friends developed their own photos on uncle Sams dime? If they were developed in a high security area they would have been done with strict controls.


If anybody zooms in on his photos and find some kind of nomenclature on the front or back then it would add to the credibility of them.

I once watched a show on area 51 the security was insane. They flew in everyone so the likelihood of someone walking of post or flying off post with photos would be near zero. I worked at some ASPs where photos were a big no. Everything was searched leaving the area cameras were not allowed. It was low security the MI battalion I was at had what was medium security. Almost no chance of photos leaving that area. What would high or Area 51 type security?

It's my bet and I think the video proves it,the photos were developed at a drop off photo location. Many of them were in the envelopes that photos from such places are returned in. I'd also bet this old dude walked down to the photo place and just dropped them off like they were pics of his grandson's birthday party.

JUST because they were in those types of envelopes doesn't mean they ARE NOT legit...

I probably have close to 100 of those envelopes. They don't use that type anymore, by the way. Those are the older and sturdier type that the envelope of photos came IN.

I know this for two reasons. One, I do a lot of photography. I've done it since the film days. I've also worked at TWO different photo developing places. Both offered one hour and send out services. One job was in the early 90's, the other in the late 90's. Things changed a TON in just like seven or eight years.

In my experience, the types of envelopes he had those photos in were the older ones. I keep very important photos in those ALL THE TIME. A lot of people do...because they just don't make them the way they used to.

Plus, like I mentioned a few pages back when I brought up this very detail, they fit nicely in a safe. For safe keeping.

What the heck is he supposed to keep top secret photos in? A giant folder that says TOP SECRET?

Yeah, he'd keep those secret/private said/concluded no one ever.

a reply to: Grimpachi

I didn't say just believe. And the motto is a joke. Those who espouse it the most, are the worst culprits. Magicians fool many because the audience are looking for the mechanics of the trick, but fail to notice the misdirection. Most have no clue how the trick is actually done.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
After watching the videos I have to say I think the man is genuine. He doesn't exhibit the classic traits of a liar. One that I cant be sure of though is looking down and to the left. Most people will do that when they lie but in this case that is where he has all the pictures and such so it makes sense for him to look there. I didn't see any other obvious tells.

The pictures were very interesting. I wish I could see the actual photos. The various types of photo paper used does seem to corroborate his story of receiving those pictures over a period of decades. It should be possible to identify the manufacturer and date the envelopes the pictures were kept in by the color and pattern. That would be revealing as well.

I would like to see more investigation into this story. I wont discredit it but I would like something more substantial. Its a great start though. Certainly one of the more believable ones on the subject.

I agree. The paper looks pretty. OLD to me, 60s-70s, maybe.

Also, in the one photo of the alien, we can clearly see an arm holding the head. In one of the photos your see the hand (looks female or a very small male hand, to me).

Anyhow, they didn't start pushing using gloves and protective equipment in the health care field until the 80's.

Makes me think that photo was probably taken sometime in the 60's, maybe even earlier based on the photo paper and the fact the arm/hand isn't wearing gloves...

I find it hilarious that people are just dropping by this thread to claim this old man is flat out lying, without providing any kind of rationale as to how they came to that opinion.

Meanwhile, many here in this thread who feel he is telling the truth are offering up all sorts of reasoning and rationale that supports our opinions and his claims.

I mean, WHY would he divulge all this information? For shi?s and giggles, or?

originally posted by: cuckooold

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Goldcurrent

OK yeah I misheard him on that.


I asked this before in the thread with no reply.

Can anyone zoom in on the picture folders to see what they say? Any type of govt nomenclature? I didn't notice any on the back of the photos which makes me wonder.

I have worked within the government before and they are pretty particular about cataloging and controlling such things as photos so if nomenclature can be seen then it would add to his stories veracity.

You would not see any govt markings if this was from his own personal stash. Could be a non descript manilla folder. Who knows how many folders those photos have lived in before finding a home in the current one?

OG

That explanation doesn't add up in the slightest. Area 51 type of installation and scientists just walking out with a personal stash of photos. Nope that is a crazy thought.

I have worked with mild security and that wouldn't fly.

Second the photos would need to be developed and that would happen in house where they catalog them. Unless you are suggesting they were dropped of at the local 24hr developer which is even crazier.

As I said a govt nomenclature on them would add credibility the lack of nomenclature detracts.

Sure it adds up just fine in a controlled disclosure, or controlled leak scenario. It is my feeling that he was allowed to go public with this information.

But please, since you know so much about how area 51 operates, I will gladly send you a go pro to strap on the next time you hop on that red stripe 737 out of las vegas. Awaiting awesome footage your awesomeness.

OG

Or perhaps this could be a controlled disinformation campaign like the systematic propagation of myths by one Richard Doty in the past. His credits include one TV show which was supposed to be some sort of disclosure (strawberry icecream eating EBEs), the mental destruction of Paul Bennewitz, and of course Serpo, which this tale has some similarities with.

For every call that this could be a controlled disclosure, isn't it just as likely (if not more so) that this could be disinformation to throw people off the scent of top secret military technology?

Yes. I am not ruling out that this is all disinformation, I have long contended that the public was being lied to about the moon's actual cheese content..

OG

originally posted by: AllIsOne
a reply to: OrionsGem

I so wished this was credible, but no scientist would use his vocabulary. It didn't pass my smell test :-(

Clearly he is who it says he is...do you know any scientists? They are not that great at talking usually just thinking and working not with people. Consider also his age I see no reason to deride his vocabulary.

originally posted by: Char-Lee

originally posted by: AllIsOne
a reply to: OrionsGem

I so wished this was credible, but no scientist would use his vocabulary. It didn't pass my smell test :-(

Clearly he is who it says he is...do you know any scientists? They are not that great at talking usually just thinking and working not with people. Consider also his age I see no reason to deride his vocabulary.

That and the fact the he is aware hes talking to the public, he may be dumbing things down for us laymen...

OG

originally posted by: lovebeck

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: lovebeck

I am not questioning how the photos were took or the process.

What I am questioning is how he came to posses them. Where those photos would have been developed and how if they have any type of official markings.

They do look old which means they weren't just done off a printer which means they had to be developed. What are the chances his scientist friends developed their own photos on uncle Sams dime? If they were developed in a high security area they would have been done with strict controls.


If anybody zooms in on his photos and find some kind of nomenclature on the front or back then it would add to the credibility of them.

I once watched a show on area 51 the security was insane. They flew in everyone so the likelihood of someone walking of post or flying off post with photos would be near zero. I worked at some ASPs where photos were a big no. Everything was searched leaving the area cameras were not allowed. It was low security the MI battalion I was at had what was medium security. Almost no chance of photos leaving that area. What would high or Area 51 type security?

It's my bet and I think the video proves it,the photos were developed at a drop off photo location. Many of them were in the envelopes that photos from such places are returned in. I'd also bet this old dude walked down to the photo place and just dropped them off like they were pics of his grandson's birthday party.

JUST because they were in those types of envelopes doesn't mean they ARE NOT legit...

I probably have close to 100 of those envelopes. They don't use that type anymore, by the way. Those are the older and sturdier type that the envelope of photos came IN.

I know this for two reasons. One, I do a lot of photography. I've done it since the film days. I've also worked at TWO different photo developing places. Both offered one hour and send out services. One job was in the early 90's, the other in the late 90's. Things changed a TON in just like seven or eight years.

In my experience, the types of envelopes he had those photos in were the older ones. I keep very important photos in those ALL THE TIME. A lot of people do...because they just don't make them the way they used to.

Plus, like I mentioned a few pages back when I brought up this very detail, they fit nicely in a safe. For safe keeping.

What the heck is he supposed to keep top secret photos in? A giant folder that says TOP SECRET?

Yeah, he'd keep those secret/private said/concluded no one ever.

Oh I wasn't suggesting that because they were in commercial photo shop envelops they were fake. It's just the opposite and for me, lends more credence to them. I could see him getting his camera back from his source and then nonchalantly dropping the film off like they weren't anything special. I find him and his story to be very believable.

a reply to: Grimpachi

The envelopes appear to be run of the mill photo lab envelopes. I say this as a photographer who has seen a lot of those envelopes. In fact I think I have some of the exact envelopes in boxes somewhere. The red one is from CVS pharmacy, you can see the label after he pulls them out of his pocket. The yellow one I can't make out, I would guess Kodak solely due to being yellow. That said them being "quickie shop" envelopes doesn't really disprove anything. I have hundreds of photos, thousands, many of which I developed myself, stored in those envelopes simply out of convenience. They are the perfect size for storing photos since, well, that is what they were made for.

Looks like lovebeck beat me to it.

originally posted by: Roxxo
a reply to: Grimpachi

The envelopes appear to be run of the mill photo lab envelopes. I say this as a photographer who has seen a lot of those envelopes. In fact I think I have some of the exact envelopes in boxes somewhere. The red one is from CVS pharmacy, you can see the label after he pulls them out of his pocket. The yellow one I can't make out, I would guess Kodak solely due to being yellow. That said them being "quickie shop" envelopes doesn't really disprove anything. I have hundreds of photos, thousands, many of which I developed myself, stored in those envelopes simply out of convenience. They are the perfect size for storing photos since, well, that is what they were made for.

Looks like lovebeck beat me to it.

There you have it Grimpachi. The envelopes say CVS on them, which last I checked were a quickie shop.

Bon Voyage! Dont let the spaceship door hit you on the way out of hangar!

OG

a reply to: OrionsGem
I watched the last video as I dont have that much time now to watch vids and there pretty long. Its all interesting stuff this Boyd Bushman talks about. And at the least his magnet experiment and its drop speed can be done by pretty much anybody, just like Galileo old cleaning tower of pizza can be done by anybody, so ya would not be that hard to validate at least that little claim.

Its all interesting stuff from the supposed Tesla weapon and the pilot shooting down that pod of the grays from roswell, to traveling faster then light, and space travel to Andromeda and all that. Lets just say I would not hold your breath waiting for information to come out even if it was all true.

All these theories have been said before in many different takes, from earth being sentient, to earth being a prison planet, to different dimensions, to whatever floats your boat. And well! They may all in one form or another turn out to be true for all we know, and we know very little that for sure. Why some even believe that we the human species evolved into this sentient form all in all but a few hundred thousands of years, and some even believe that all the technology around them they see was invented by humans. And all of it for all you know may turn out to be merely just another story you tell children.

Ever watch that one movie "the gods must be crazy" were an airplane pilot throws a bottle out his window while over the Africa and is latter found by a tribal bushman. That just may be the cosmic story and history of earth, and guess who the bushmen are?

originally posted by: Roxxo
a reply to: Grimpachi

The envelopes appear to be run of the mill photo lab envelopes. I say this as a photographer who has seen a lot of those envelopes. In fact I think I have some of the exact envelopes in boxes somewhere. The red one is from CVS pharmacy, you can see the label after he pulls them out of his pocket. The yellow one I can't make out, I would guess Kodak solely due to being yellow. That said them being "quickie shop" envelopes doesn't really disprove anything. I have hundreds of photos, thousands, many of which I developed myself, stored in those envelopes simply out of convenience. They are the perfect size for storing photos since, well, that is what they were made for.

Looks like lovebeck beat me to it.

LOL again, I didn't mean to imply the envelopes detract from his credibility. In fact I think they lend to him being more credible. I also doubt he had extra envelopes laying about as he wasn't a photographer. I'd bet those were the original envelopes he received the photographs in.

Imagine being the tech developing them?

a reply to: Bilk22

You may not have meant it that way, but that seems to be what Grimpachi was implying.

Also, I was thinking the same thing about being the tech developing them. Even if they were fake. That would be a mindf#$k and a half.

a reply to: Bilk22
I think I hit the wrong quote/reply...

Sorry about that!

originally posted by: Roxxo
a reply to: Bilk22

You may not have meant it that way, but that seems to be what Grimpachi was implying.

Also, I was thinking the same thing about being the tech developing them. Even if they were fake. That would be a mindf#$k and a half.

Im sure the techs are used to seeing alot of *ahem* questionable photos..=)

OG

originally posted by: Roxxo
a reply to: Bilk22

You may not have meant it that way, but that seems to be what Grimpachi was implying.

Also, I was thinking the same thing about being the tech developing them. Even if they were fake. That would be a mindf#$k and a half.

People take photos of some CRAZY stuff! I know, I used to work at a lab back in the film days and when things started going digital. It was more tame once digital started gaining popularity...guess they were able to keep their personal photos private by printing them themselves!

But my goodness, back in the film days....wow.

originally posted by: cuckooold
Or perhaps this could be a controlled disinformation campaign like the systematic propagation of myths by one Richard Doty in the past. His credits include one TV show which was supposed to be some sort of disclosure (strawberry icecream eating EBEs), the mental destruction of Paul Bennewitz, and of course Serpo, which this tale has some similarities with.

For every call that this could be a controlled disclosure, isn't it just as likely (if not more so) that this could be disinformation to throw people off the scent of top secret military technology?

Let me say first that I think Boyd Bushman was a grand old gent and I don't doubt the credentials in his obituary nor the sentiments expressed by the writer who I think was one of the children. I don't think he's a hoaxer. I think he knew some top secret stuff. I also think he was the same sort of believer the OP is.

Someone mentioned a very important word in one of the posts here: Enthusiast. A true blue believer. I wouldn't doubt that he was either shown something by his "contact" or he interpreted stuff in his professional peripheral that reinforced his personal opinion/belief.

Having said that let's look at cuckooold's suggestion. Here's a feller that knows a lot about some secret technology and he likes to talk a lot about anything he can and associate it with extraterrestrials. A mysterious contact feeds him a lot of suspicious materials and gives him the ol' Bennewitz.

Certainly some of the same mythology turns up.

That the sweet old gentleman was hoaxed by a professional to discredit any more down-to-earth slips of secret tech, or by some sick individual seems a worthy concept to keep in mind. It has historical precedence.

He reminds me somewhat of Paul Hellyer.

On the other hand, being openminded, I might mention him as a side note to some topic where the subject matter might converge, but not without a disclaimer.

I don't totally count out all of his info, but I can't put him on the plus side of "For" without more detail than he provided. A marvelous old gent whose musings are grand and worthy of running my imagination entertainingly through the stars, but more than that and we do ufology a disservice.

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: Roxxo
a reply to: Grimpachi

The envelopes appear to be run of the mill photo lab envelopes. I say this as a photographer who has seen a lot of those envelopes. In fact I think I have some of the exact envelopes in boxes somewhere. The red one is from CVS pharmacy, you can see the label after he pulls them out of his pocket. The yellow one I can't make out, I would guess Kodak solely due to being yellow. That said them being "quickie shop" envelopes doesn't really disprove anything. I have hundreds of photos, thousands, many of which I developed myself, stored in those envelopes simply out of convenience. They are the perfect size for storing photos since, well, that is what they were made for.

Looks like lovebeck beat me to it.

There you have it Grimpachi. The envelopes say CVS on them, which last I checked were a quickie shop.

Bon Voyage! Dont let the spaceship door hit you on the way out of hangar!

OG

No problem Ogey as I can see no one is concerned about looking at this closer. By god don't question just except.


The fact they are in regular CVS photo holders doesn't mean they are fake but it doesn't lend any credence to the story either. Have fun with the thread for what its worth.

On to better threads.

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: Roxxo
a reply to: Grimpachi

The envelopes appear to be run of the mill photo lab envelopes. I say this as a photographer who has seen a lot of those envelopes. In fact I think I have some of the exact envelopes in boxes somewhere. The red one is from CVS pharmacy, you can see the label after he pulls them out of his pocket. The yellow one I can't make out, I would guess Kodak solely due to being yellow. That said them being "quickie shop" envelopes doesn't really disprove anything. I have hundreds of photos, thousands, many of which I developed myself, stored in those envelopes simply out of convenience. They are the perfect size for storing photos since, well, that is what they were made for.

Looks like lovebeck beat me to it.

There you have it Grimpachi. The envelopes say CVS on them, which last I checked were a quickie shop.

Bon Voyage! Dont let the spaceship door hit you on the way out of hangar!

OG

No problem Ogey as I can see no one is concerned about looking at this closer. By god don't question just except.


The fact they are in regular CVS photo holders doesn't mean they are fake but it doesn't lend any credence to the story either. Have fun with the thread for what its worth.

On to better threads.

Do send us a postcard now u hear?

Ogeybogeystogie

The interviewer in the 3rd video kind of irritated me...talking over Bushman and trying to prove his intelligence lol- my opinion... And watching these really made me wish I'd had more interest in science when I was in school.

I think the majority of this is true, with a healthy dose of disinfo mixed in there - you know...kind of like the Bible

I don't believe the pictures of the alien creatures were real...just my gut feeling, and I was unsatisfied with the photos he showed of the back of the creature(rather, lack there of).

originally posted by: interupt42

originally posted by: Parthin
That one statement about working together with the Russians and Chinese....wow! [/post]

Not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing?

However, would you let your enemies manufacture your computer chips on your defense systems which are suppose to protect you from them? This has occurred until fairly recent which can question the validity of our relationship with them.

The U.S. always seeks to maintain a technological advantage over less-than friendly countries.

Define over less-than friendly country? Is it one that is fighting among itself or one that is attacking other countries or intefering in foreign affairs?

Indeed, that is the best reason of all for non-disclosure of access to alien tech. a reply to: [post=18575324]interupt42

Just because you are working together doesn't mean you wouldn't wan't to still keep the upper hand.

The U.S. has a long history of not sharing advanced technology with Russia and China. To share knowledge of alien tech flies in the face of decades of established policy. Computer chips are now universal, but for a long time, their export was restricted from Russia and China. Even now, no Chinese astronaut is allowed on the International Space Station. Although I believe some sharing of information and cooperation is likely regarding the alien presence on Earth, working hand-in-glove with them on a black project at Area 51 would be unthinkable.