Area 51 Scientist's Deathbed Show & Tell!

originally posted by: FearYourMind
a reply to: OrionsGem

True. I would like to see pics of this supposed "Walmart Alien" somewhere else other than someones photobucket account. If cropped though, why is it so crystal clear? Was it cropped from the video? This walmart photo appears in a ATS forum from back in 2008 as well. So, where did this photo originate? Has the photo been presented by anyone other than Boyd Bushman?

well it looks like one photo from boyds collection was leaked on the net years ago. ..and its very likely that this crude replica was made from that one photo.

Im willing to bet there are no other photos of the replica other than from the front. Because they didnt have the rest of the original photos to copy from back then!

OG

knowledge FTW!

Ah, the old death bed confession in an interview trick. Who's to argue with a dying man?

A few people is the answer. It's easy for some reporters to play the deathbed card to increase exposure to their investigations, it's not like it hasn't happened before.

Conversely it would be an opportune time for a person who has been sworn to secrecy to unveil what they know; they can't be held accountable for the secrets they leak if their time is short. But it all amounts to nothing in the end if it's anecdotal evidence.

But still I wouldn't write it off.

Love the debate... Hate the near zero respect for the guy who just died.

If he is true, I hope he died feeling relieved and happy.

If he was making it all up... I hope he is resting with a big smile on his face saying "SUCKERS".

RIP regardless


Now, onto my opinions..


Firstly, the quality of this video is not actually that amateur, I have seen much worse done by top students on a BA TV production course (I know, I was on the course). Secondly, the camera may not that be biggest and best camera in the world, so any zooming in would instantly cause pixilation as many of us know.

I do not think the man was lying, but potentially telling what he THOUGHT was the truth. We have all heard of compartmentalisation right?

a reply to: OrionsGem

I think you are taking this incident a bit personal, to me they appear pretty close to each other. I would say enough similarity between the two that the prop could be modified or distressed to probably make it identical. So the similarity shouldn't be just ignored or put to the side.

IMO the argument you should be looking into is whether the prop was created before or after the interview and not whether they look a like..

the only thing that makes me sceptical: why only photograph the hand...the foot...not the whole body at once..

originally posted by: Blue Shift
Same alien, different photos, different story?

Alien from K-Mart?

s58.photobucket.com...

And another thing the shoulder joints don't match ....and where are the hands and feet? Also the nose of the doll brushed black and brownish color on the head is way off . The alien creature doesnt have reptilian eye lits .. so I can find some other flaws in that piece of plastic. .

















Back of Alien head




Pic from space


Pic of alien's home


UFO






seems that Mr Fisher Price was lacking imitation. .

Peace

Here again we have a case that could be considered the smoking gun, but we have been conditioned to believe that none of this stuff exists or it can be explained away as swamp gas, you get the idea. So if an alien walked up to you and introduced itself, you still might have second thoughts about believing him.

originally posted by: Bilk22
You have to realize this guy was working with this stuff back in the 50s and 60s. I'd venture to guess he was in his 90s when the video was taken. So given the time, that's how they investigated things. Look at how they developed and planned the moon missions. A lot of it wasn't very hi-tech.

According to his obituary:

Boyd Bushman
July 20, 1936 - August 7, 2014

Boyd B Bushman died August 7, 2014 in Tucson, AZ surrounded by his family.

According to the obituary, he retired in 2000 which would have put him around 64, not difficult math. This means that he has been working in the field until fairly recently, not just the 50's and 60's. I find it believable that during that time, he has not only seen a lot of interesting things, but he has undoubtedly been exposed to much.

So long . . . and thanks for all the fish!

Bishop

originally posted by: lme7898354
Here again we have a case that could be considered the smoking gun, but we have been conditioned to believe that none of this stuff exists or it can be explained away as swamp gas, you get the idea. So if an alien walked up to you and introduced itself, you still might have second thoughts about believing him.

Why is skepticism a bad thing?

If you are looking for the truth than you should welcome any and all skepticism to see if your stance holds water.

Ofcourse if you are looking to maintain your stance and slap your chest on an issue , perhaps you might not be open to scrutiny.

a reply to: OrionsGem

Fun thread to read, S&F for entertainment value.

On his Wiki page, it mentions that he was involved with Lockheeds Skunk Works. On amazon he was involved with the video "From here to Andromeda". There is even a little bio on his career.

On the Tributes site it states he was survived by his wife Mary no mention of children. I don't know how bad people would want information but she could be a source regarding the man, probably the best one out there. I imagine he had all kinds of quirks.

a reply to: interupt42


Come back when you have IDENTICAL photos of a prop.

until then you have NO ARGUMENT and NO PROOF of a hoax. Thanks for trying tho.

OG

originally posted by: Bishop2199

originally posted by: Bilk22
You have to realize this guy was working with this stuff back in the 50s and 60s. I'd venture to guess he was in his 90s when the video was taken. So given the time, that's how they investigated things. Look at how they developed and planned the moon missions. A lot of it wasn't very hi-tech.

According to his obituary:

Boyd Bushman
July 20, 1936 - August 7, 2014

Boyd B Bushman died August 7, 2014 in Tucson, AZ surrounded by his family.

According to the obituary, he retired in 2000 which would have put him around 64, not difficult math. This means that he has been working in the field until fairly recently, not just the 50's and 60's. I find it believable that during that time, he has not only seen a lot of interesting things, but he has undoubtedly been exposed to much.

So long . . . and thanks for all the fish!

Bishop

I commented about his age based on appearance. He looked much older to me. I hadn't seen the obit yet.

What I find interesting is that many times we've read how "if only someone with authority and believable credentials came out with info". Here we have just that and the naysayers are out in force.

a reply to: OrionsGem

I had te let this one sink in for a while. When you hear and see this for the first time it is quite convincing. Probably because there are many details in there that anybody that has been involved with the field recognises: that aliens are roughy 5 ft tall. That they have big eyes. They look like small humans. Webbed toes. That we shot them down in 1947. That rotating magnetic fields are used to generate anti-gravity. That there are more than one alien species visiting us, some nice and some not so nice. The pictures of their planet (folks like Adamski and Meijer had these too). So, you actually feel right at home - given you are part of the UFOlogy cohort (like me).

And that is exactly what made me suspicious: this is a smörgåsbord of (Internet) UFO stories. Not a meal of substance. Also, this man is rambling. There is no logic, no line. Actually, there are plenty surreal details and conflicting scenario's. It's his final attempt to reclaim his long lost position in the spotlights.

Surreal details: aliens that travel 68 lightyears in 45 minutes need goggles to assist them to land in Area 51. Their planet is named "Quintonia" - like we're reading a cheap SF novel from the 1930s. Conflicts: what is it: are they working with us (all 18 of them) or not? Maybe not, as we shot them down and are reverse engineering their tech. Maybe so, as Boyd was able to get them to take nice picturs of "Quintonia", their engines etc. Surreal again: they can read your mind - oh, so they KNOW you will stop at nothing to reverse engineer their tech yet cooperate fully.
And why do we need to see the pictures of the blurry hilltop lights - he has far better pictures (which he even shows!).

If this ever was a proper scientist - and there is some evidence for it - he clearly lost part of his marbles. It's like listening to a drunk who has read a lot about UFO's. He mix-and-matches various conflicting scenario's and adds unnecessary and totally absurd details like the name of their home planet.

Another detail that struck me when I visited the copy of his website on the Wayback machine was the manifest display of his clearance ("top secret"). That's a big red flag to me. People that hold clearances don't advertise them as it makes them vulnerable to attacks from e.g. foreign agents and/or industrial spies. Also, advertising that you once held a "top secret" clearance is totally irrelevant: such clearances are firstly only valid for a limited time, secondly need re-evaluation to be continued and thirdly are only usable for a very specific project or task. THERE IS NO GENERIC TOP SECRET CLASSIFICATION.

The only reason to advertise your former TS classification is to pose yourself as an Important Person. Which, I'm sorry to say, is what we see here: a once important man who lost his credentials and now desperately tries to regain is position in the spotlights. All in all: bogus.

Alas, I should add, as we all would love to get this over with and get final confirmation. But this is not it.

a reply to: Bilk22

that's ok so far they have presented a doll from amazon and a doll from an ats members photobucket.

Both are weak attempts at debunking.

Laughable really.

OG

a reply to: OrionsGem

What always gives me a good old on here if you want to claim something is true from an official source we have to provide crystal clear pictures/video as much information about the event as possible time date etc access to original documents if possible but if any of that is not provided then it's lies.

Yet when from the other side 480p resolution video (that wasn't even standard def if the UK before HD) showing a blurry pictures not even shown in a proper close or as a scanned image in the video that's enough proof, a few mins in photoshop could produce that so called alien image he was showing.

I joined here to see some proof it seems that some peoples standards are pretty low were that is concerned!

a reply to: ForteanOrg

Id love to see how clear concise and lucid you are at age 78 attempting to recall your life's events. Have some respect!

OG

a reply to: ForteanOrg

Can you provide the Wayback link? I'd like to see it. Also, what limelight do you think this guy was in? He was probably a nameless faceless person when he was doing his work.

As for the idea that what he said sounded all too familiar, well maybe what we've all heard and read before is true

a reply to: Bilk22

I commented about his age based on appearance. He looked much older to me. I hadn't seen the obit yet.

So how are you ruling out mental health issues again?

a reply to: wmd_2008

i never claimed this case was real. I bear no burden of proof.

the debunking attempts in this thread are not credible are not plausible and super weak.

don't get upset because I'm calling out bs when all im brought is bs debunking.

OG

a reply to: OrionsGem

well it looks like one photo from boyds collection was leaked on the net years ago. ..and its very likely that this crude replica was made from that one photo.

You sure do make a lot of assumptions to reinforce your opinions don't you?