CDC is investigating a vomiting passenger at Newark, NJ, airport. Believed to be from Liberia

I am getting so pissed. They have no idea if he is contagious or not. They don't even know what is wrong with him. Why can't people see they are lying? Omg, I feel like I'm in he middle of Idiocracy.

People talking about banning flights in and out of Liberia are being a little naive. People can travel out of the country and get a connecting flight through other means. This includes bus, train and private plane for those with money. People then get a flight at the nearest operating airport. If people need/want to get somewhere, then they will.

In the UK during one of the big snowed under years, airports were closed - this lead to people getting the eurostar, a spike in ferry use and people getting flights from other airports. This is what people do.

Any containment of a disease is only as good as the controls at the point of entry. People here talking about Ebola symptoms are still not getting it. You can have Ebola domant and not display any symptoms at all until later. If they are simply looking for symptoms, they are doing it wrong. All entrants into a country should be screened regardless of what flight they got. People can get out of a containment zone without using indirect and direct flights, but by using trains, buses, boats, walking, cars and then later in their journey get a plane which has no direct or indirect links to a contaminated region and so cannot be traced.

It just shows how difficult it is to contain such a problem and the difficulties that ANY country would and is having in doing so despite their best intentions. If it was loose in the US, it would spread like wildfire.

What Causes Nausea or Vomiting? Motion sickness or seasickness
Early stages of pregnancy
Medication-induced vomiting
Intense pain
Emotional stress (such as fear)
Gallbladder disease
Food poisoning
Infections (such as the "stomach flu")
Overeating
A reaction to certain smells or odors
Heart attack
Concussion or brain injury
Brain tumor
Ulcers
Some forms of cancer
Bulimia or other psychological illnesses
Gastroparesis or slow stomach emptying (a condition often seen in people with diabetes)
Ingestion of toxins or excessive amounts of alcohol

Ebola

www.webmd.com...

a reply to: spacedog1973

Yes, but... air travel is the primary way they get here. Here is what a prominent aviation expert says about air plane sanitation.

TBH, I think *all travel* outside of the region should be banned unless the person undergoes a 21 day quarantine prior to travel across any border out of the area.

CNN interviewing passengers now. He walked off on his own..They kept holding passengers without sharing any info...All had to fill out CDC forms...

originally posted by: kosmicjack
a reply to: spacedog1973

Yes, but... air travel is the primary way they get here. Here is what a prominent aviation expert says about air plane sanitation.

TBH, I think *all travel* outside of the region should be banned unless the person undergoes a 21 day quarantine prior to travel across any border out of the area.

Air travel is the final journey.

Just think about it. If you were in a country ravaged by a spreading disease and was unable to get out by air. What would you do? What do you think people do in war ravaged places? They walk, get a car, bus or whatever. Once they are in a region where they can get a flight they do. Whether that is two, three of four countries away. None of those countries may have direct flights into a contaminated zone, hence US and other flight watchers will not even bother checking the passengers on that fligiht.

If they are only checking airlines and flights that fly through contaiminated zones, then they are doing it wrong. They need to check all flights from everywhere. Otherwise they are fooling themselves.

Blocking travel out of a country like Liberia will mean deaths. People will fight to get out if it gets bad, why not? And the only way to stpp them doing so will be by shooting them. Also, I'm pretty sure the borders are not in anyway secure enough to stop travel between countries.

a reply to: spacedog1973


You don't need to ground flights, just revoke visas and quarantine anyone from the affected regions before letting them through customs. If you're from Liberia, your vacation to the USA is cancelled until further notice.

a reply to: spacedog1973

Agreed, but it isn't as crucial if you ban all travel from the worst hit regions. It may sound inhumane but which is worse, quarantining West Africa or spreading Ebola world-wide?

I would feel differently if we didn't have Keystone Cop episodes like this in NJ and in Dallas. The measures taken so far to protect the public or contain the spread have been a JOKE. Barney Fife could do it better.

originally posted by: DirtyD
a reply to: spacedog1973


You don't need to ground flights, just revoke visas and quarantine anyone from the affected regions before letting them through customs. If you're from Liberia, your vacation to the USA is cancelled until further notice.

But that only works with Liberians. The virus doesn't check passports and of course visas are not required for all flights, nor all forms of travel. It just takes someone with the disease to contaminate someone that is allowed to come to the US for it to mean nothing.

originally posted by: kosmicjack
a reply to: spacedog1973

Agreed, but it isn't as crucial if you ban all travel from the worst hit regions. It may sound inhumane but which is worse, quarantining West Africa or spreading Ebola world-wide?

I would feel differently if we didn't have Keystone Cop episodes like this in NJ and in Dallas. The measures taken so far to protect the public or contain the spread have been a JOKE. Barney Fife could do it better.

The thing is that it gives a false sense of security. Its better to check every flight, all passengers than to be selective. It takes 1 or 2 people to get through.

If I was holidaying in Liberia and knew that I had to get out to a) avoid getting ebola and b) getting the best treatment if i did get it - I would realise that I needed to get a flight that would appear I hadn't come from Liberia. It would be pretty simple. And I would do it rather than dying. Many people would. Policies should be in place to stop that being possible by checking all passengers regardless of origin. That also stops motivation to come when contaiminated

Blocking west africa is not enough. Its easy to get from west africa to south, to east, to north by various means witout getting on a flight, perhaps spreading the virus all over the continent as a consequnce.

news.yahoo.com...

(Reuters) - Federal health officials do not believe two sick passengers removed from a United Airlines flight that landed on Saturday at Newark Liberty International Airport in New Jersey are infected with the Ebola virus, according to a local media report.

The "don't believe it is Ebola" story is being picked up by others as opposed to the CNN reports.

a reply to: spacedog1973
Yes, it's a possibility, but the odds are still less! I'm willing to risk those odds.

The chances for a pandemic are higher if travelers from affected regions get a US tourist visa and are allowed to hop on a plane.

originally posted by: kosmicjack
CNN interviewing passengers now. He walked off on his own..They kept holding passengers without sharing any info...All had to fill out CDC forms...

If he wasn't contagious and Ebola was ruled out ~ Why would it be necessary for the other passengers to fill out CDC forms?

a reply to: spacedog1973

The virus doesn't check passports, but we do. A visa is needed from Liberia, not sure about the other Ebola stricken countries (I'm willing to be you do), but if you're carrying a passport from one of those nations, or if your passport has been stamped by one of those countries, then you sit in quarantine at customs for 21 days.

Nothing is fulproof, but there's a lot more we could be doing to decrease the risk of people getting sick here.

a reply to: MrLimpet

It's all just theater.

I'm really confused. Officials saying it's not Ebola, CNN reporting like this was not announced. Does he or doesn't he have it? It is really concerning that someone from LIBERIA was vomiting on the flight. And this is also United Airlines, the same airline that our infamous Ebola patient flew on.

How scary can it be for a passenger to witness this?!


*** I apologize. I don't know where I got that he was from Liberia. None of the articles are saying where he came from.

Not sure how reliable source is gotnews.com but thought to throw this over, gotnews seems to have gathered information of the Dallas case Thomas Duncan
Link

and this is something what an employee of United Airlines have told to them

United Airlines continued to fly the planes in which infected Ebola patient Tom Eric Duncan flew… without disinfecting them of #Ebola. Says a United Airlines employee who alerted us:

To my knowledge, no flights have been cancelled because of this. The planes are usually “cleaned” between flights (cleaned as in trash picked up, quick sweep, etc.)… they usually go through a deeper cleaning at night (vacuuming, seat back pockets checked for trash, etc.). They wont be thoroughly cleaned (seats taken out, spilled soda and gunk scraped up, etc) until they have a full maintenance overhaul (usually once per year depending on aircraft type).

The United plane that flew BRU-IAD was a Boeing 777 (Boeing 777-200 series to be exact). UA 951 20SEP A/C REG N771UA 772 This shows the actual aircraft he flew was a Boeing 777-200 with aircraft registration # N771UA (this are plane specific – so this is the EXACT plane he flew). The employee continued: The United flight he took from IAD-DFW was UA 822. The aircraft was an Airbus A320 (A320-232 series) and the registration is N482UA. That plane, which is much smaller than the 777 he took BRU-IAD, is currently in the air as UA flight 550 from PDX-DEN (Portland, OR to Denver). The 777 is a widebody aircraft, the A320 is narrowbody.

originally posted by: 2gd2btru

news.yahoo.com...

(Reuters) - Federal health officials do not believe two sick passengers removed from a United Airlines flight that landed on Saturday at Newark Liberty International Airport in New Jersey are infected with the Ebola virus, according to a local media report.

Oh, I just read the article. They say it's UNLIKELY the 2 ill passengers have Ebola. But didn't the CDC say Thomas Duncan was a LOW RISK patient? They sure got that one wrong and I'm skeptical they came to Newark passengers' conclusions so fast.

a reply to: spacedog1973
IMHO, the CDC is trying to give a false sense of security.
If a tourist visa hadn't been issued to Patient Z, would he be here?

a reply to: dollukka

Aviation expert says planes cannot be cleaned or sanitized to the standards effective to rid contamination from Ebola, simply due to the caustic nature of the cleaning agents required versus the delicate electronics of what is essentially a flying computer.