Do you love God, or do you love Satan?

originally posted by: AnonyMason
a reply to: GoOfYFoOt

And, 30 minutes later the prediction comes true...

Just let people worship what they want to worship. Can we do that without labeling every single person who is not a damn christian as a satanist fencewalking evil doer?

Wasn't there another part in the bible about being the first to cast a stone? If there is only One who can judge us, wouldn't be more peaceful to keep your religious beliefs to yourself, and respect others enough to allow them to do the same? Self rightousness and zealotry are very unbecoming.

1 Corinthians 9:16 "For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel! "

I'm just doing what I feel needs to be done... The Spirit moved me and I dare not disobey.

a reply to: Diderot

Jesus answered this:

Matthew 18

18 At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”

---Here, they were asking of the world to come. Which of them would be the greatest? Since Jesus selected them from among all Israel, they wanted to know their rank.

2 He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. 3 And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.

---When Satan was asked to bow to man, he refused. The Angels were asked to bow and they did. Bowing to man was humbling themselves into the body of a beast, leaving their memories and mind behind. In other words, baptism. They were asked to participate in involution. What is the purpose of coming into a fallen material reality? Leaven causes bread to rise when baked. Fire represents trials and Leaven is sin. When Jesus says, whoever takes the lowly position, he is saying, whomever humbles himself as a child of God (human) is the greatest.

Causing to Stumble

6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. 7 Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come! 8 If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. 9 And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.

---Here in the wilderness of the material world, we are sheep developing a coat of wool. The wool is dirty, but then becomes the robe the Shepherd makes. A robe is a new body. A crown is a new mind. The only way for bread to rise is to allow leaven. The object is to avoid being burnt toast. We are here to see the truth, then engage it in our walk with God.

The Parable of the Wandering Sheep

10 “See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.

---This single small verse is the key to the matter. Here, you are the child of God in a world he made for repentance. We are a beast (animal nature in the Ark / Earth) here, but an Angel above facing the Father.

Not all humans are children of God. To become a child of God here, we must walk with God and allow preparation for the world to come.

To answer your question, we are all in need of salvation. That's why we are here. As beautiful as this place can be, you have not conceived of anything as grand as what comes next.

1 Corinthians 2:9

However, as it is written: "What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived" -- the things God has prepared for those who love him--

Midrash

Future bliss can neither be imagined, explained, nor described. We know nothing of its nature, form, greatness, or beauty, its quantity or quality. This much one should know, the phrase, "the world to come," does not imply that it is a world yet to be called into existence; it exists already, but the phrase is employed to describe the life into which those who are in the present stage of existence will be transposed when they throw off this mortal coil.

POE

P. But to what good end is pain thus rendered possible?

V. All things are either good or bad by comparison. A sufficient analysis will show that pleasure, in all cases, is but the contrast of pain. Positive pleasure is a mere idea. To be happy at any one point we must have suffered at the same. Never to suffer would have been never to have been blessed. But it has been shown that, in the inorganic life, pain cannot be thus the necessity for the organic. The pain of the primitive life of Earth, is the sole basis of the bliss of the ultimate life in Heaven.

God's reasoning is not ours. He sees the end from the beginning. We simply see now most of the time.

a reply to: Bone75

Oh just some anonymous guy who thinks that we should respect each other regardless of what religion a person chooses to practice.

Or maybe some anonymous guy who sees a failure in logic behind christians attacking other people when their prophet taught others to love and embrace humanity.

Take your pick.

a reply to: ketsuko

Hello ketsuko,

"For humans it's different, we do perceive how we might damage others by our own actions or inactions even when we act to satisfy the demands of nature. That still doesn't make nature evil. It only means that we have a responsibility to ourselves and others to act in a way that does no harm or minimizes the harm we do".

Yes ketsuko, but the challenge is to control the demands of our nature. Progress is the movement toward perfection.

It matters not if the goal is unattainable. What matters is that we enrich the quality of Humanity.

Greater happiness among the creatures of this Earth can only be pleasing to any true God.

a reply to: GoOfYFoOt

LMAO

As if to further illustrate my point.

I'll be leaving now, have fun with future responses to me that i will not be reading.

originally posted by: Max_TO
a reply to: thesmokingman

True, thank you for pointing that out .

In my humble opinion , and that's all this is..
A person who believes in God would be the first to see the errors of their ways and would be the last to ever point their judgmental finger at another .

No one is better than anyone else based on what they think they believe or understand .

Well thank you for your civility. So tell me, which do you fall under? You certainly were the first to point the judgmental finger at me, but then you kinda redeemed yourself by seeing the error in your ways.

originally posted by: AnonyMason
a reply to: GoOfYFoOt

LMAO

As if to further illustrate my point.

I'll be leaving now, have fun with future responses to me that i will not be reading.

God bless!

originally posted by: thesmokingman

originally posted by: Max_TO
a reply to: thesmokingman

True, thank you for pointing that out .

In my humble opinion , and that's all this is..
A person who believes in God would be the first to see the errors of their ways and would be the last to ever point their judgmental finger at another .

No one is better than anyone else based on what they think they believe or understand .

Well thank you for your civility. So tell me, which do you fall under? You certainly were the first to point the judgmental finger at me, but then you kinda redeemed yourself by seeing the error in your ways.

Actually I was expecting a simple smile from you when I made my original comment on your fondness of fictional characters. I had actually thought my original post in response to your OP was rather witty , given your name and avatar . Sadly my poor attempt at humor evolved into something much more and unintended.

But having said that, it was my intention to make a point by using humour.

I do not understand why "nonbelievers" love to point out the errors of the "believers" and why "believers" chose to point out the errors of the nonbelievers ? That in and of itself is also rather humorous, once again in my humble opinion.

originally posted by: AnonyMason

I'll be leaving now, have fun with future responses to me that i will not be reading.

Yeah right lol.

a reply to: Max_TO

I have to say I completely agree with that statement. Personally, I do not judge anybody for their beliefs, nor do I try and make them believe my way of thinking. Way I see it, everyone needs to be able to grow up and learn on their own what their own personal beliefs are. Make their own decisions.

Satan.

Definitely Satan.

a reply to: thesmokingman

Agreed

And if I was in error when I assumed that you were attempting to discredit the OP by stating you don't believe in fictional characters then I do apologize.

But having said that, I still do make the claim that my OP in reply to your OP was on the funny side, call me crazy if you like :p

a reply to: Diderot

My apologies, to the OP...
I've been accused of derailing the thread, which was not my intention.

As for the question, without a doubt, I love God. I do not feel that I deserve His love, in return, though. And when I start to ponder the entirety of it all, the millions of questions overwhelm me instantly! If only the Bible shared more about what transpired BEFORE creation!

Like, where did angels come from?
What purpose did they serve before humans were made?
Why did God create us, knowing we would fall to temptation, and be thrust into sin?
Why did satan choose to deceive Eve? Did he know what would transpire, upon doing so?
How can evil exist at all? It would have to have been created by God! SO, ultimately, God tempted us, for He created evil and knew that humanity would take this course!

SO many questions...But, when I need the Comforter, He is always there! Always!

So...for now...I'll just take it on Faith!

a reply to: iclimbtowers

"Do you believe, that satan was the serpent in the garden of eden?"

I do not believe that Satan was the serpent in the Garden of Eden.

If this happens to be something dear to your soul,

why would you fail to captalize it?

a reply to: AlephBet

"God's reasoning is not ours. He sees the end from the beginning. We simply see now most of the time."

This is all I need to hear.

Reason is not to be questioned concerning the will of God.

Or I should say, the testimony of those who swear to know the will of God.

Why should I trust that you or anyone knows the will of God?

originally posted by: [post=18488251]GoOfYFoOt[/post

And for those who worship nature and the earth, These things belong to satan...Matthew 4:8 "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve."

This is a mistake in interpretation of scripture. Satan is showing him kingdoms, not Gods nature. It speaks of mans greed

I love my wife, I love my kids and I love my dog.

I do not love fictional characters.

a reply to: AlephBet

What a wonderful ego booster for man. Those versus are pure reverse psychology designed to make man feel more special than he is.


Now, please stop feeding the person trying to derail the thread.

originally posted by: Max_TO
a reply to: thesmokingman

Agreed

And if I was in error when I assumed that you were attempting to discredit the OP by stating you don't believe in fictional characters then I do apologize.

But having said that, I still do make the claim that my OP in reply to your OP was on the funny side, call me crazy if you like :p

Not trying to discredit OP at all....and I apologize for not seeing the humor in your first reply...usually I am able to pick up on that, I must be getting tired.

a reply to: GoOfYFoOt

"SO many questions...But, when I need the Comforter, He is always there! Always!
So...for now...I'll just take it on Faith!"

What you derive from your faith is a transcendent joy that is shared by a multitude of Humanity.

Faith, tempered by wisdom, can only please a most perfect God.