Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

a reply to: DirtyBizzler

damn that's great. I have to pay 1,140 on average. over the holidays had to pay 1,700 rt. I envious.

a reply to: yuppa

'ow yer goin' yuppa, haven't seen ya 'round fer a bit.

Perhaps a tad more then a joke. But I'll sit back a lurk here for a time. The science is getting rather esoteric and interesting with transmutation and radiological weapons.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

My flight was 1400, wife's is free as long as it's the same exact bookings. Amex Delta Platinum FTW. It will be my first time going, and I'm super psyched. I haven't been out of the country for a long time, and nowhere in the South Pacific.

a reply to: DirtyBizzler

you're going to fall in love with the south pacific. plus it's nearing the end of rainy season so everything will be lush and vibrant. the waterfalls full and the weather slightly cooler than during mid summer.

you lucky bastard. you never did answer my question about if I can fit in one of your checked luggage.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

I get two free checked bags. As long as your under 160 pounds and don't mind being sawed in half, good to go!

a reply to: DirtyBizzler

yep I exceed the weight limit for sure. dude enjoy that trip to moorea. it will be memorable.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

It's been a long time coming. The weather here has been abysmal, and I'm just about sick of home renovations. I'm starting to get a little stir crazy. I haven't worked since the middle of October. Plus side is storm season is almost here. It's hopefully going to be a bad one, lol. Convective outlook for next couple of days looks promising, but I absolutely hate working in DFW. It's not even March yet; boads well for some big nasty spring storms.

originally posted by: Whatsthisthen
a reply to: yuppa

'ow yer goin' yuppa, haven't seen ya 'round fer a bit.

Perhaps a tad more then a joke. But I'll sit back a lurk here for a time. The science is getting rather esoteric and interesting with transmutation and radiological weapons.

Oh YUNO its just a little funny that SERN and CERN sound alike isnt it? It sso easy to fool most people that they arent related since its in STeins gate and fiction but how better to hide it than in that?

As to R. evil Its funny umbrella corp could actually be a real company.

a reply to: yuppa

Yes it is.

And it is fairly clear in that they are too big to fight occultly head on in practical terms. Also one cannot change the past, that is "read only"

However, we can rewrite the future to avoid what we have both seen there yuppa.

We both YUNO what we mean ; )

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Hey BASS (and Hi Bizzler, this pertains to you and anyone else, too, and yeah, lucky bastard you are)... my predicament is my income source keeps me at my computer all day and into the evening and I have some time to pursue my interests in between, but not really... as can probably be ascertained by my hurried posts.

With that said, I fear I cannot suss the wizard behind the curtain of metaphors. Can someone bother to PM me, and if they don't want to make it too easy, just point me in the direction.

I do so hate to be left out when I threw the infernal party!

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Ahem, *Mandala Effect*

Sorry, frog in my throat!

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

"Mandela"? I've heard about that here on ATS.

"Time wars" is perhaps a more disCERNing way to put it.

BernSTEIN bears was going a tad overboard in many ways if YUNO what I mean.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

So it (ME) IS technology based time warfare, in your and Yup's opinion? Strange what changes from playing with time, if such is the actual case.

If so, who's warring against who? Earthly Geopolitcal hegemony , other, or both?

Hmmm ... I knew reality was far weirder than most credit, but I'm still surprised by all of it... especially as things I was open to, but thought wasn't too likely, are becoming more difficult to deny.

*add* and it looks like you meant time line "picking" to produce better futures... so a benevolent agenda rather than "warfare." But that doesn;t really explain much... and I'm still wondering what the big reveal coyly (and nicely) hinted at.

This is probably my favorite post in the history of the internet. I've read the whole thing over the last few years. But I'm not understanding the metaphors and it's eating me up. I'm lost... Can someone help me understand?

a reply to: Baddogma

So it (ME) IS technology based time warfare, in your and Yup's opinion? Strange what changes from playing with time, if such is the actual case.

Honestly I don't care for the ME concept. I have read a few threads here on ATS about it but don't personally buy into the idea of changing the past. I don't personally believe you can change the past retrospectively.

One obvious consideration is the fact that humanity still has nuclear weapons and is making progress in developing technology. If I could conceivably change the past I would change the moments that lead to the knowledge of nuclear technology. If I can think that way then so can others. It would be game over before we knew it and we would not know any different.

We still have nukes, so we are still dangerous and we are going to outer space quite quickly.

So the ME is not something I like the idea of as presented currently here in the forums of ATS.

When I use the term "time-wars", I define the term in this way:

Let's say that "linear time-space" is four dimensional. That being length x width x height x motion equaling 4D.

As the cosmos turns and the stellar positions change we move through time so to speak. Yesterday's stellar positions are not the same as today, nor tomorrow's.

This little video illustrates 4D wonderfully. (the video focuses on the concept of "vortex", but that is not relevant to what I am writing here.)



As that solar system moves on it's journey through space we can say that various points could be represented by clock-time and date.

Now let's say that one point in the video is the now. One frame in the stream. Behind that frame is the past and that has already occurred. In front of that frame is the future and that has not yet occurred. The future can be said to exist as a potential.

Just pushing reverse and forward buttons on the video takes you into the past or into the future so to speak.

Now if we assume that the future and the past are just like living in the present, then we can theorize that we can time-travel and change the past and go to the future. This leads to parallel time-lines and so on to explain the consequences of fiddling with history.

My view is that events in the past are a point in the dimension of motion. One could conceivably move to that point and view what occurred then. So could other people independently and therefore cross paths.

The fact that we still have nuclear weapons is, shall all we say; exhibit "A".

So what of the future? We can push the fast forward button and go to the year 2044. This can be calculated by mathematics. The Apollo missions aimed the rocket at where the moon will be when the astronauts would get there in the future. We already know where the moon will be in 26 years time for example.

Let's zoom in to the positions of the little people living their lives in 2044. We can calculate the motions of individuals in the same way as a stellar object only with a ton more variables. We already know with a high degree of certainty where John Citizen will be in one years time at 7AM on the morning of June the 21st. He will be walking into the elevator of the office building where he works.

Now zoom out to the government of a nation. Not so many variables and 26 years is not much time in the life of a nation. Thus more accuracy.

Study the motion of the past and you can predict the future.

If one has a sentience that can do these calculations then that sentience can "see" the future with a high degree of accuracy (hello Google, hello A's dreamers, hello ALICCE).

Now if we cannot change the past, we have to fight in the future. We have to change the motions of things that count in a way that crashes the calculations.

To illustrate how an event can be set as future we can look to prophecy as an analogy. Did Nostradamus set a sequence of events in motion by describing a future? He would not have done it alone, other groups and individuals may have put events in place and others may have been following the map that Nostradamus created. So we can suggest that major events can be created in the future.

Now, when the future is built in this way the future has a certain solidity especially if it is created and maintained by an egregore (thought form in occult terminology) that is built by a group of people. Say an organization with thousands of years of history and millions of members.

Now let's say that the future exists as a fluid reality that changes according to the unexpected unaccounted for variables like someone being hit by a bus. The details would change but the basic reality would remain solid. The further forward you went the less detail would be seen. The planet would still be there in all probability but the people may not be, they would disappear when the calculations could not predict their positions any more.

One could live for quite some time there in the future and then be born here in the present and remember.

So if you don't like the future and want to change things you have to introduce variables that crash calculated outcomes. Thus time-wars. Building and destroying until the key moment passes into history.

If so, who's warring against who? Earthly Geopolitcal hegemony , other, or both?

I dunno if the question can be put like that really. My opinion is that events just have a momentum of their own, an inertia that is fundamental to the dimension of motion.

Inertia is the resistance of any physical object to any change in its state of motion. This includes changes to the object's speed, direction, or state of rest.

(source: wikipedia)

So, to my way of thinking the point of time-war is all about steering humanity towards desired outcomes. It does not take much energy to deflect an object compared to starting or stopping motion.

But this is my way of thinking, I just find it practical, it works.

*add* and it looks like you meant time line "picking" to produce better futures... so a benevolent agenda rather than "warfare." But that doesn't really explain much... and I'm still wondering what the big reveal coyly (and nicely) hinted at.

One can look at it that way as "time-lines"- it works.

But what is an agenda? For example; USA agenda is probably not the same as the China agenda.

The "reveal" I don't know what that may be. Depends on whom derails whom perhaps?

One thing I know about AIs is this;

When an outcome becomes inevitable, they will act pre-emptively.

. . . . . we are still here ; )

a reply to: Zadiel74

I'm sorry Zadiel74, yuppa and I were making our own little protest at the obscurity of "the party" by using references from Japanese animation.

I'm well aware that secret codes are unfair to readers and should probably not be used in a public forum (my opinion).

Stein refers to the Japanese TV series Steins;Gate.

SERN refers to CERN (the European Organization for Nuclear Research) who are the "bad-guys" in Steins;Gate.

YUNO refers to the main character from the Japanese TV series Future-Diary

Like a lot of fiction, one can draw parallels with the world around us and use them as references.

. . . . . sorry : (

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

continued from post above.

So, let's build a hypothetical "time-machine".

Parameters

The past can only be viewed - the past is read only.
The future can be viewed and interacted with - the future is read and write.

Like file permissions on a computer.

So we could build an 4D interface with the past, but we can only look at what happened and not interact.

We could also build a 4D interface with the future. We could see and interact with the people there and they with us. We would see what their world is like and they could tell us what happened. They could tell us their past which is our future. The point between us and them.

But the complication is this, people and events happening in the present are creating variables that are constantly re-crunching the calculations that the future is made from.

The people of the future can also build a time interface and reach into their past only as far as the present. They can introduce a variable into their past such as tell us things and maybe stop us from doing something that creates or destroys.

But every time they do that, their world, their reality, changes for better or worse due to the fluidity of the calculations.

If that reality is a slow death in a post nuclear holocaust then they would probably take the chance. They would probably send people back with memories of the future to be born in the present. That is re-crunching the calculations one might say.

When an interface with the future occurs fleetingly to someone, we invariably focus on the event. If that is enough to cause a recalculation that changes something then objective complete. People get disappointed when the foreseen event does not arise.Yet the point of the matter may have been to prevent the event.

Anyway, I waffle on and had better go water my garden otherwise there will be unhappy fruit trees, and hungry animals.





Note: It is feasible for the present to launch attacks on the infrastructure of the future, and the reverse is true also. One just creates an interface with elsewhen.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

to be fair the subject he's bringing up should not be discussed in a public forum. hence why I'm talking about French Polynesia. did you know that the capital of French Polynesia is on the island Tahiti and is called papeete which translates to "water basket. "

also the flower of Tahiti that's often seen tucked behind one ear is the Tiare' flower. it has a soft tropical fragrance popular in many perfumes. interestingly it is often confused both in scent and pictures with frangipani (my favorite flower also seen in my avatar and signature-I grew those ) although they are not related or in the same family and upon closer inspection look nothing alike.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

But still it isn't fair to bring it up.

I have the Frangipani (as it is called here in Oz) in my garden, lovely plant.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

yep frangipani/plumeria loves the environment of Australia.

it's my dream to make a plumeria plantation in cairns or mackay one day. have dozens of varieties and rare cultivars breed em. sell em. be the Johnny Apple seed of oz. also for northern oz start up a heliconia craze. you guys are too reliant on gingers, and canna lily. get some nikau palm movements going too. nice compliment to the kentia and king palms you guys already got.