Kristallnacht : A warning from history

a reply to: cuckooold

Yup. It seems to be in every religious text, as it exists today. What does that mean, really? Should we abandon all faith? Or should we see we are being artificially divided, to be conquered?

Sorry, just my way of looking at that.
Nothing, I think, exists, as it did originally. That's about giving everyone an enemy. Can we rise above that or not? Isn't that the real question, here?

a reply to: Rustami

The Bible IS clear on that one:
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)

And what did Jesus say about God's Law?
"For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled" (Matthew:5:18)

Pretty clear that MAN cannot pick and choose which of GODS's laws to follow and which to cast by the way side out of convenience.

That changed what the Holy Mother Church found it was more profitable to tax pagans than it was to outright kill them. God didn't change the law the Pope did. Over time people drifted away from the Church and it is a shadow of it's former self and lacks the power over the masses that it once held.

Of course I could be wrong.

a reply to: cuckooold

Do you know what Christian and New Covenant means?

Galatians4 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Hebrews 12 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith

originally posted by: 200Plus
a reply to: Rustami

The Bible IS clear on that one:
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)

And what did Jesus say about God's Law?
"For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled" (Matthew:5:18)

Pretty clear that MAN cannot pick and choose which of GODS's laws to follow and which to cast by the way side out of convenience.

That changed what the Holy Mother Church found it was more profitable to tax pagans than it was to outright kill them. God didn't change the law the Pope did. Over time people drifted away from the Church and it is a shadow of it's former self and lacks the power over the masses that it once held.

Of course I could be wrong.

And you are ("until all be fulfilled" being the key), see response to cuckoold on previous page as well as~

Romans10
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Romans 3
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets

Acts15
saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Galatians 3
for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Hebrew7
If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: neformore

Its not the people or their ethnicity its their ideology as a whole that needs to wither in history's sands. The Muslim dislike and distrust is not artificial it is through experience and ideology. Blaming the West is getting to be a very old tune and it was fun for a while but im done. We need to call this ideology what it is and that is evil.

I agree 100%.

Honestly, I wont blame people anymore for stereotyping Muslims/Islam and doing the whole "Guilt By Association" with them. Its starting to be a very warranted way of thinking.

a reply to: neformore

MORE "GIBBERISH" on HOW it FEELS?
YET STILL ignoring the question of how to help the issue.
ONLY expounding on an EMOTIONAL comparator of INACCURATE and PURILE substance ,BRAVO .
Man your loft PERCH and PARROT the same.
WHAT ...SHOULD ...WE DO...TO TELL...WHO WE ARE SUPPOSED TO FIGHT as opposed to those WHO ARE NOT WITH the hellish 44%.
MY IQ is only 115 and I can't get it but I wouldn't compare our OUTRAGE against the 6TH century TACTICS of WET PSYOPS to something as CLEARLY defined as NAZIS...THEN again I do READ HISTORY subjects which is RARE apparently.

a reply to: neformore

Our society is losing its humanity again.

One terrifying word...... " BEHEADING "

Our society is not doing that but someone is..... and those "1.6 billion muslims on the planet" seem to be taking it all in stride.

originally posted by: Rustami

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: DogMeat

The Christian Bible also says kill non believers. So Christians are just as bad as Muslims by your own admission.

That's a lie. Does or did the Christian leader (Jesus) murder anyone?

1 John 3 and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

What religious leaders did though?

guilt by association
phrase of guilt
1.
guilt ascribed to someone not because of any evidence but because of their association with an offender.

Romans 6 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey

Still waiting on an answer. Did Jesus murder anyone?

a reply to: Rustami

Did Manson or Hitler murder anyone?

Their followers did and they did it in their name.

a reply to: 200Plus

Stalin, Mao, Lenin, etc. and?
Are you trying to make a connection to the author of the Christian faith somehow?

why beat around the bush?

Answer~Of course not, He was murdered and raised to immortality

Galatians4
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Many have scars on their necks,and many stood by….to save their own.
Where does that get anyone, really?

Whosoever should seek to save his own life shall lose it.
Whosoever seeks to lose it to save others, shall keep it.

We can twist this, quote it, respin it, but still have not learned the attendant lesson…..whose place is it to judge?

a reply to: Rustami

That begets the argument of whether Christ knew he was Devine, and if he knew he was Devine; was a sacrifice even made in the name of mankind or did the Christ simply shed the mortal coil and return to a spiritual form?

a reply to: 200Plus

IF one is to believe the scripture THAT is the WHOLE idea.

originally posted by: 200Plus
a reply to: Rustami

That begets the argument of whether Christ knew he was Devine, and if he knew he was Devine; was a sacrifice even made in the name of mankind or did the Christ simply shed the mortal coil and return to a spiritual form?

Galatians 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law..

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Hebrews2

a reply to: cavtrooper7

There is a slight difference between being tortured and winning the Powerball

My opinion on Islam is that it should not be thought of as a religion, but an ideology that affects the very basic behaviour, expectation and desire of every follower of Islam. In itself that would not be a bad thing I suppose, if its actual aims were in fact pacific. They simply are not peaceful though. And I know people talk a lot about "moderate" Islam etc. Such a thing is in fact an oxymoron by its very definition. One has to admire the true belief of a follower of Islam. Their absolute belief in the tenets of their ideology. It is true belief (notice I avoid the word Faith), so much so that it affects every single facet of their lives.

Now to the question at hand, and the idea that fear is being spread.

Fear IS being spread, my question is, is this fear misplaced? How did I ask to be hated to the extreme where I can be killed, in my street, simply for the reason of not being a follower? Where did I sign up for that? I don't remember doing that. So is my fear misplaced? Am I NOT in danger of a random attack from a crazed fanatic? Let me rephrase before I hear the typical" you are in danger of any psychopath"... Am I in danger of being killed by a fanatic simply because I am not a follower of Islam?

Perhaps we should remember, as it appears it has been ignored, that IS and other fanatical people are promoting the ideology that anyone who isn't a follower of the true Islam (Sunni) should and indeed are being killed. In the most barbaric ways. Many of these victims are other FOLLOWERS of Islam. The unbelievable fact is that this is so. Yet it is NOT "moderate" Islam that is gaining pace is it?

Another argument is that not all Muslims agree with such barbarous acts.

The problem as I see it is that there has been no MASSIVE back turning, rejection, disapprobrium of the acts of these fanatics by followers of Islam en masse. I know there has been a #notinourname campaign...hardly the type of "name and shame" one would expect from moderates though is it? The fact is that for a follower of Islam, the rejection of the idea of Jihad is basically taking away a fundamental idea behind the ideology.

Speaking as a citizen of Spain, where "radical" Islam wants to create whole enclaves within every city...see catalunya, Madrid, Andalucia and Sha' ariah law in Spain, should I NOT be scared?

a reply to: cavtrooper7

seems pretty accurate to me

1 Corinthians 15 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away 1Peter1

a reply to: Zaphod58

Yes radical Muslims behead people, are there suddenly differing degrees to murder? Gunning someone down in church, in front of his family is bad, but beheading is EVIL.

I've been thinking about this a lot lately - for weeks actually

How incensed we are at a beheading - how indifferent to other kinds of death-dealing we've become

There's no getting around it - it's a cruel, monstrous thing to do. But how odd it is really - that we consider some methods more palatable than others - as a people and as a culture. They've used the beheadings against us. It''s been a very effective tool

But murder is murder - killing is killing

a reply to: 200Plus

AND obtuse statements coloquialized to their SPEAKER aren't really a way to participate.
Can you perhaps REPHRASE it?

a reply to: neformore

The problem is not with Muslims, the problem is with Islam religion.

Islam is a tribal regressive religion that glorifies violence.

There is falsification of words of Muhammad in Islam and there are a lot of later additions.

As long as people cling to false creeds, the violence will continue.

As far as street reactions are concerned, I agree that people should be considerate towards other people and careful not to hurt sentiments.