Kristallnacht : A warning from history

a reply to: SLAYER69

I've done much reading and research, I see much in the way of people ignoring beheadings and are more preoccupied with how this may impact Islams rep as apposed to correcting the issues.

Correcting which issues?

You say people are ignoring beheadings - what does that even mean?

People are concerned with how it affects the reputation of Islam because Islam is not responsible for these beheadings we're supposed to care about - individuals are, in the name of Islam

There's a distinct difference, that many people aren't willing to think through or see for themselves

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

I agree most of the posts have been addressing the issues but also holding the Radical Muslims feet to the coals.

a reply to: neformore

I'm not sure how I missed this thread yesterday

This has been building for a long time now - yellow journalism aimed at an accommodating audience - when you can make even the usually rational folks start screaming for war - again, you know we're losing this battle

You would think that after the Holocaust, or internment camps - we would never go back to that place again. But sometimes I'm not so sure. She manages to forget to use the word radical - not that most people need that word anymore - they're more and more often lately willing to just go with Islam - straight up. How did that happen?

Bachmann: Obama Must Declare War on Radical Islam

She said, "This is a spiritual warfare and what we need to do is defeat the Islamic jihad." "Sadly our president has the wrong prescription. He even failed to acknowledge the motivation for bringing about jihad. Yes, Mr. President, it is about Islam. And I believe that if you have an evil, the order of this magnitude, you take it seriously. You declare war on it. You don't dance around it are just like the Islamic State has declared war on the United States of America. You kill their leader, you kill their counsel, you kill their army until they waive that right, wave the white flag. That's how you win the war."

Emphasis mine

Meanwhile - this is one way Islam (as if it's one neat and tidy, organized group of people) is choosing to deal with this situation:

Arab writers mock ISIS terrorists in cartoons and comedy programs aimed at ‘rejecting extremism

“These people are not a true representation of Islam and so by mocking them, it is a way to show that we are against them,” said Nabil Assaf, one of the producers and writers of Lebanon’s Ktir Salbe Show, which has challenged the group. “Of course it’s a sensitive issue, but this is one way to reject extremism and make it so the people are not afraid.”

Dozens of hilarious campaigns have been launched on Twitter and Facebook, ridiculing the extremist group. Ironically enough, this front seems to be doing more damage to the group than U.S. strikes in Iraq. That’s because the main front ISIS is fighting on – more so than Iraq or Syria – is the Internet. ISIS uses social media and YouTube to propagandize and recruit. They seem to thrive on ideological opposition. But one thing they haven’t been able to successfully respond to is being made fun of by the Muslim majority

The Koran instructs muslims to hate and kill Jews, so perhaps its about time the Jews had a rest, and some other 'religion' took a bashing, although the Jews are still hated by some none Jewish people. (not just muslims).

a reply to: pikestaff

Yes, here is what little muslim girl saying youtu.be...

a reply to: neformore



Excellent OP there, absolutely right on.
You can see just from some of the disgraceful posts and stars on the first page that there is much work to be done and that far too many people already lump all Muslims together and always will do.

a reply to: pikestaff

Thanks again for proving the point I'm making in my OP.

originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: daaskapital

So far I hear much more hate preaching, why ?

www.adelaidenow.com.au... /story-fni6uo1m-1226701605335?nk=c13658d3465e1e4b7112a4d518547053

Or this www.youtube.com...
This so called lawer want Armageddon, and he is moderate lol.

Just take your time and watch couple of MemriTV videos, they making pretty good PR lol

It is laughable to use any MEMRItv videos when you are talking about Muslims. You know nothing about MEMRItv do you? It was founded and run by ex Israeli intelligence agents. They have been caught so many times changing the words when they translate speeches by Muslims that even the American State dept has complained about them. Using MEMRItv videos to portray the Muslims is like using KKK videos to portray the Blacks.

a reply to: buster2010

You have other sources covering and translating so many arabic internal programs ?

Besides, I have cursory knowledge of Arabic, not good enough to translate, but I understand a lot.
I live in a small druz-arabian village near Armageddon. I hear Arabic everyday.

originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: buster2010

You have other sources covering and translating so many arabic internal programs ?

Besides, I have cursory knowledge of Arabic, not good enough to translate, but I understand a lot.
I live in a small druz-arabian village near Armageddon. I hear Arabic everyday.

MEMRItv is nothing but a propaganda service that is being used to vilify Muslims and Arabs.
If you can't translate Arabic then how do you know the translations that MEMRI is putting out is true?

a reply to: buster2010

When they say "Itbah al yahud" i can't be fooled lol.
I can't translate some subtleties, but if you think that Memri TV translations are made up, learn Arabic yourself and you will hear what you don't want to believe is true.

a reply to: Snarl

Firstly, Great OP.

I see Snarl has a firm grasp on reality,

We've got to ignore the propaganda,

They'd have us believe all Muslims=Potential Terrorists and most of the people killed in WWII = Jews .

But none of this is as Black and White as that, We all know many Rich Jews were complicit and profited wildly from WWII. Now we're in a position 70 years later were anyone disagreeing with Israel is seen as being anti-semetic. Even other Jews!!!

If the "Muslim Terrorists" hate Israel so much, how come they stopped attacking them directly all of a sudden? I see bottle rockets from Gaza but come on? Remember the highjackings...Munich? Lebanon and Syria have been complaining since the 80s to the UN about all these radical groups being funded by Mossad, coming from their land etc Lol

The only Argument I've heard lately is that "It's not Tactically Viable, they'd get wiped out"..

Well, like I said, they USED to carry out vaguely successful Terrorist attacks, where they gained something, release of prisoners etc.

Nowadays, it only benefits Our military industrial complex and Our Government...Hmmmm, Weird That don't you think?!?!?! lol

I don't believe they all of a sudden became stupid..their tactics have got WORSE, not better..They only gain FEAR and garner support for backlash against them, so more of them get killed.How can we believe this #, who does that? In history..only Agent Provocateurs!

They're not Real Muslims either...Inshallah They're time is coming close..I've seen the Muslim's joined in arms with Christians and Jews in Iran and Syria fighting for their homeland against these CIA / Mossad run groups for decades. We should be on their side, but we are clearly not. Welcome to the Evil Empire USUK! lol

I fear OP is right and the evil that gave life to the Nazi Scheme has come full circle via USA/CIA to start another Cull, with Muslims being the Sole Target. Why does NATO still exist? Why do we all believe this #?

a reply to: buster2010

MEMRItv is nothing but a propaganda service that is being used to vilify Muslims and Arabs.

Would you call this video also propaganda ?
youtu.be...

And where else can you see this ?

While you just afraid that in some future muslims may become vilifed, those radicals already commiting genocide. Right now while we spent a lot of time on this thread there may be 100 Yazidis killed.

originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: buster2010

MEMRItv is nothing but a propaganda service that is being used to vilify Muslims and Arabs.

Would you call this video also propaganda ?
youtu.be...

And where else can you see this ?

That just brought me to tears.

originally posted by: neformore

Kristallnacht: Also known as The Night of the Broken Glass. On this night, November 9, 1938, almost 200 synagogues were destroyed, over 8,000 Jewish shops were sacked and looted, and tens of thousands of Jews were removed to concentration camps.

fcit.usf.edu...

Back in the late 1920's and through the 1930's the National Socialist German Workers' Party embalked on a campaign of monstrous proprtions.

Back in the 20's, Germany was a broken nation. They had lost the first world war, their economy was ruined, their military smashed and stripped bare. The people of that country needed a focus. They needed someone to blame and some clever, twisted bigots decided to use that to their own ends.

Through propaganda, carefully placed words, outright lies and fear mongering a public was manipulated and people began to take their frustration out on the Jews. Immigration, financial corruption, religious beliefs and all manner of other issues/practices were cited. Lies were repeated until they became "truth". Eventually a whole society lost its collective conscience, dropped into a state of apathy and then the country turned into a cesspit of hate and people stood by as despicable things began to happen, and those things then snowballed into genocide.

I wasn't alive during those times - I'm fairly sure its unlikely that anyone reading this was, but I am a student of history - particularly the second world war era, and recent events have made me sit up, take notice, and have made my skin crawl.

You see - its happening again. Albeit in different circumstances.

"Dirty muslim"
"Filthy Muslim"
"Rag Heads"
"Turn the middle east to glass"
"Send them home"
"They aren't like us, they have no place being here"
"A good muslim is a dead muslim"
"All they want to do is take our jobs/take our women/kill us"
"They're all the same"

Such things seem to be becoming commonplace on blogs, on facebook and other social media, on some news programs and even here on ATS.

Our society is losing its humanity again.

Yes, I understand 9/11 (although most people here think it was an inside job it seems). I understand Al Qaeda. I understand ISIS. I understand the middle east situation. I understand the paranoia and the fear of things that may seem different.

I understand that there are people out there in the world who wish to do others harm, under the guise of a perversion of a religion. I get that. I don't want to see those people in my world. I have no problem whatsoever with the armed forces of any nation being used to bring cold blooded killers to justice. None at all.

But those people do not represent all muslims - despite what some of the carefully crafted fear mongering propaganda out there will try and tell you.

You know the kind I mean. The propaganda akin to that the Nazi's used about the Jews in the 30's.

The kind that makes people out to be sub-human.
The kind that makes all kinds of assertions about motives.
The kind that deliberately tries to set up differences.
The kind that seizeson the comments of an extremist and tries to make out its a common view.
The kind that singles out one section of society and tries to make out that it is responsible for every kind of problem imagineable.
The kind that picks up on individual issues and tries to make out that all people see it that way.
The kind that gets spread virally on social media out of ignorance, fear and malice. The propaganda du jour.
The kind that leads people to begin to casually accept it.
The kind that leeches and seeps into collective conciousness.
The kind that leads to "reprisals", to witch hunts, to forced segregation, to the wearing of symbols, to tattoo's, to ghetto's to camps to gas chambers...

Hopefully it won't get that far.

If we, as "responsible" nations in the west wish to take the high ground, to confront the extremists and the killers, to bring them to justice, to prevent the spread of their brand of hatred (which is, I believe, a worthy cause) then we have to be better as a society as well as being better militarily.

We have to understand that the actions of a few do not represent the actions of the many - and lets be clear on this - there are 1.6 billion muslims on the planet and all but a very small percentage of those people live a peacful existence.

We have to be better. We have to resist the temptation to slide into the cesspit.

We have to avoid another Kristallnacht.

If a small percentage - say 25% are ruining it for the peaceful 75% then surely, the peaceful need to stand up and be counted - they need to come forward and say 'this is not us, not what we believe' until i see that, then the 25% may as well be 100%

I haven't seen evidence of this - or at least, the media hasn't shown this.

originally posted by: BABYBULL24
All the gas station guys are Sikh's - very nice guys but probably less than 1% of the guys are Muslim - for the rednecks.

When the economy crashes the Jews will get it again...
But they only put the Jews out front as scapegoats....it's all a plan.
imo

Think the best thing anybody could do would be get as far away from the Western Banking System/Federal Reserve Bank as you can - which means get in physical assets & foreign currency's. I like Silver personally...but when it goes down 2008 is going to look like a tea party not Tea Party...so much worse and you will need something physical to trade with not a piece of paper.

I especially like the way you described the likely scripters of the
screenplay as "they". Good slip of the pen, and thank you.

Is that to imply they aren’t necessarily Jews, but almost assuredly all Zionists?
When the money system collapses I won’t be looking at a synagogue…
it will be Wall Street and Washington DC.

The most noticeable disconnect I hear to this day is the grouping together,
quite unreasonably the Jews and Zionists; since the former is a religion and
the latter a radical political idealogy. Same thing as Islam and ISIS…

Not too coincidentally—the parallels between the evening news’ rhetoric
and Albert Pike’s road map are most unsettling, no matter what the religion.
I have yet to see a new white Toyota pickup in my town yet; but I'm not
going to bother asking the owner where he/she got it when I do.

My warning from history is to reflect on what happened to Germany when
the National Socialist Party took control of the currency, and what happened
to the economy soon afterward. The proof was in the pudding, and Germany
had to be punished for it. They're still paying for it. The one most devisive,
subversive and politically dangerous cabal in history is throwing another
boogeyman at us, and Murica's sucking it down like an icy 40.

I agree with and disagree with what is being stated by the poster. In some instances, fear can cause people to be objectified to justify bad behavior. I see it every day, against one group or another. But there is a point where such fear becomes justified against a group, due to the actions of others.

If there is no attack on anyone in the name of religion, then the fear is not justified, and we should live and let live. However, when a few turn around and commit such acts and then hide in the shadows of those who did nothing, and those who shield said persons do nothing to stop, prevent or even turn them in, then they are accomplishes to the act of terror and the crimes that they commit fully.
What is going on today has direct bearing from the past, there are no innocent angels, save those children who are currently born, and then that innocence is quickly stripped away. There are a few facts that we can no longer choose to ignore. The first fact is that these extremists, the terrorist will never be defeated, not by military force. For every one killed, it creates a martyr for their cause and the hardest thing to kill is an idea, or a belief. The issue here is this, how do you kill an idea, one can’t. When it is so ingrained so deeply into the minds of those who will listen. If we do not want them coming over and messing in our yard, then the solution would be to stay out of theirs. These Islamic groups that keep rising up, each more violent, more destructive than the prior, most came out of obscurity. And as other keep messing in areas that they do not understand, it gives them more weight and credibility to their message, and thus the idea spreads and grows.
The more they push, and get pushed back, it becomes a viscous cycle that will continue until both sides find that it is no longer worth it, that the loss of life is too great, that a change has to be made. And as sad as it is, all others need to stay out of it, no selling of weapons, to isolate them from the rest of the world, though the world needs to be there to help them rebuild and pick up the pieces and rebuild when all is said and done.

When it comes to the western countries, tolerance has to be a 2 way street. We need to be tolerant of their beliefs as they should be tolerant of ours. Should they fail to exercise said tolerance, then perhaps living in a western country with those ideas may not be the place for them to be.

a reply to: tadaman

BUT since the OP is making the loose connection to history, comparing modern day Muslims to Jews of the WW2 era, I mentioned another historically significant event.

comparing modern day Muslims to Jews of the WW2 era ???

The OP is doing no such thing. The OP is not comparing modern day Muslims to the Jews of WWII. The OP is simply stating that the mindset of a minority of ignorant people around the world in these modern times reflect the same attitude and perspective of those that condoned the persecution of ALL Jews.


To generalize and blame an entire group of HUMAN BEINGS belonging to a certain faith for the actions of a few radical A-holes is history repeating itself.

The OP is speaking about people like YOU who think no different than the German people in Hitler's days. That is where the real comparison lies.

"Anne Frank -ly" (and frankly) speaking: that is the essence of the OP.

Again: The OP is NOT about comparing modern day Muslims to Jews of WWII. It is about comparing some views held by some in modern society to the Germans of those times....

Capeche?

On earth Muslims commit the most murder. That's the reality of so called "peaceful" Muslims.