Is that a Drill Sergeant or a Police Officer? Belligerent Cop Loses it On Man for Knowing His Rights

a reply to: HandyDandy

Eventually people will wake up en masse and see the system for what it is. Not every encounter with the police should be turned into a Supreme Court case. A ticket sure, I'll accept it. But if I know I did nothing wrong and was singled out for whatever reason, then no I would not take it in any way shape or form. Yelling, fighting, insulting. It achieves nothing.

originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
Yelling, fighting, insulting. It achieves nothing.

Maybe you should tell that to the cops?

a reply to: ATSFMKMA

I'm one little person. One person against the system is like throwing lint in a vat of sulfuric acid and expecting it to survive. Show me millions or billions enraged against an engineered global collapse and the message would get through. Will they let it get to this? Unfortunately not.

And welcome to ATS! I saw you're new here.

Someone please clear it up for me. Don't we have some rights to travel unimpeded by these type of roadblocks?

There is a big difference between investigating~following up on a crime that was committed and stopping everyone who travels by looking for one that may or may not have happened. When did it become okay to stop any and all innocent travelers in the hopes that they may stumble upon someone without an updated insurance card.

Yeah, this is what they call looking for trouble and here is a first hand account. This cop is a predator and there is no place for him in anywhere in the justice system.

Anyone here feel okay with exposing their children to this type of law enforcement? Maybe it's time to take these incidents downtown and ask the police chief where he draws the line with his officers.

Maybe the way to go about fighting this crap would be to have a nice long caravan of cars come through and refuse to stop, each one posting a copy of the constitution in the driver side window. These guys need to be inundated by people who know and stand up for their rights with forceful conviction.

I don't know. It's just scary thinking about the direction this is all heading.

This guy obviously set the whole thing up with his camera aimed just right for the purpose of antagonising the officers at the stop and was successful in getting what he wanted. Sure the cop was a bit over the top but if he has to deal with argumentative unco-operative twerps like that all day well....

I'm not in the US so perhaps a US resident could confirm the claim that US police cannot legally request a driver to provide proof of ownership of the vehicle he's driving and a current driver's license unless an offense has been committed. To me it sounds like an unlicensed driver in a stolen car could not be stopped and asked for ID unless he was speeding or ran a red light or whatever.

a reply to: Pilgrum

Illegal search and seizure.

I didn't see him being searched or siezed though.

An officer basically just asked him for some ID related to his operation of a motor vehicle on public roads - is that illegal there too?

"Driving is a privilege not a right".

That's bull crap. I pay just as much for the roads as everyone else. I paid for my car. No one has the right to tell me not to drive unless I have proven that I am incapable.

In South Carolina, there have been a lot more police on the roads enforcing traffic laws this month. I wonder if that has anything to do with the tensions people are having with law enforcement lately.

originally posted by: Pilgrum
I didn't see him being searched or siezed though.

An officer basically just asked him for some ID related to his operation of a motor vehicle on public roads - is that illegal there too?

Yes. Searching includes demanding documents. If the police have reason to pull you over they can request proof that you're legally allowed to drive but in a blanket stop they can't do much of anything legally. The checkpoint that was set up wasn't legal, that's where the whole problem comes from.

a reply to: Aazadan

Does that make a random breath test stop illegal as well?
IE the commission of an offense cannot be determined until after the stop and test.

a reply to: smithjustinb

Driving is a privilege not a right, the officer is correct. Who told you it's a right?

originally posted by: Pilgrum
a reply to: Aazadan

Does that make a random breath test stop illegal as well?
IE the commission of an offense cannot be determined until after the stop and test.

Yes and no. An officer can use probable cause such as you swerving in your lane or as one did to me once "driving suspiciously" to pull you over and give you a breath test and anything else they wish. Those are in theory based on probable cause. A checkpoint that's set up to inspect everyone is a bit different because it's a fishing expedition to find wrongdoing, there are no possible charges being levied at any individual. That's why they're illegal.

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: smithjustinb

Driving is a privilege not a right, the officer is correct. Who told you it's a right?

I did. Common sense did. Just because you've heard it otherwise all your life doesn't mean its true.

Driving is a right. I pay taxes for the road. I pay for the car. It is my right to drive. Period. The only way my rights could be rightfully revoked is if I could not prove that I could drive with the safety of other tax paying drivers in mind.

It is not a privilege that daddy government allows you to have. Despite them lying to you and telling you that and you falling for it.

a reply to: Aazadan

Wrong. The check point set up was a regulatory one therefore classifies as legal. Regulatory stops are for the purpose of verifying vehicle licences and registration.

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: Aazadan

Wrong. The check point set up was a regulatory one therefore classifies as legal. Regulatory stops are for the purpose of verifying vehicle licences and registration.

AKA checking Papers/identification like it's Nazi Germany...

a reply to: smithjustinb

whaaaat? You're sadly mistaken. Breathing air is a right. Drinking water is a right. Not driving a car. If it was your right to drive a car....drum roll please... then no one would ever have their licenses revoked and their cars impounded. How can you seriously go though life this long and think you have a right to drive a car?? You wrote a test didn't you??

a reply to: jhn7537

lol, no, checking passports while your walking down the street is like Nazi Germany. They're checking drivers licenses.

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: jhn7537

lol, no, checking passports while your walking down the street is like Nazi Germany. They're checking drivers licenses.

I don't see a big difference between the two (drivers licenses and passports)...

a reply to: jhn7537

Well for starters, passports are permits to be in a country. Driver's licenses are permits to drive a car.

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: smithjustinb

whaaaat? You're sadly mistaken. Breathing air is a right. Drinking water is a right. Not driving a car. If it was your right to drive a car....drum roll please... then no one would ever have their licenses revoked and their cars impounded. How can you seriously go though life this long and think you have a right to drive a car?? You wrote a test didn't you??

You obviously didn't see what I wrote. I said, if my right infringes on your right (by proving that I can't safely drive), then my right should be revoked. But, as long as I have the ability to safely drive, then it is my right to drive.