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Unknown orange/red glow over Pacific Ocean
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So after years of reading various threads on ATS, finally one has grabbed my attention and quite frankly baffled me to the point where I must create
an account and get involved.
Firstly, the photos. I am no camera expert and have no experience using sophisticated cameras or techniques. After reading the replies on this thread and doing a little research on the web, I have come to the conclusion that these types of photos could quite easily have been taken in the scenario the pilot describes. Secondly, as somebody has mentioned, the pilot would not only be risking ridicule, but also his profession and possibly much more. So again taking all this into account, my general feeling is these photos are genuine, along with his account of the event.
The light is either manmade or natural. Due to the intensity of the light, the massive area affected, and my lack of ability to understand what would be the purpose of creating such a outstanding lightshow in the middle of nowhere, I am going to say this is not manmade light.
It has been suggested that this is a volcanic eruption. For the light to be that intense and visible through cloud, the eruption would have to be taking place above the water line or just, and I mean only just under the surface. The magma cools very quickly and loses its energy by heating the surrounding water, not by emitting light, so the warm glow would very quickly be lost, UNLESS this is genuinely an unbelievably enormous eruption spewing out fresh (not a good word) magma quicker than it is being cooled.
In my personal opinion, I assume that light is being created from something burning on the surface of the water. It has been suggested that it could be methane, burning remnants of a meteor etc etc. The earthquakes that occurred around the time of this event could very easily have disturbed a methane deposit. We already know it is very possible that some of these methane pockets can geneually be enormous, the presence of other gasses can explain the variation in colour, and the "beam of light" could have been what ignited the methane, or the release of energy from the ignition of the methane itself. The green aurora in the atmosphere again could be due to the presence of huge quantities of methane if it has been venting for some time.
That is what I think has been witnessed.
Firstly, the photos. I am no camera expert and have no experience using sophisticated cameras or techniques. After reading the replies on this thread and doing a little research on the web, I have come to the conclusion that these types of photos could quite easily have been taken in the scenario the pilot describes. Secondly, as somebody has mentioned, the pilot would not only be risking ridicule, but also his profession and possibly much more. So again taking all this into account, my general feeling is these photos are genuine, along with his account of the event.
The light is either manmade or natural. Due to the intensity of the light, the massive area affected, and my lack of ability to understand what would be the purpose of creating such a outstanding lightshow in the middle of nowhere, I am going to say this is not manmade light.
It has been suggested that this is a volcanic eruption. For the light to be that intense and visible through cloud, the eruption would have to be taking place above the water line or just, and I mean only just under the surface. The magma cools very quickly and loses its energy by heating the surrounding water, not by emitting light, so the warm glow would very quickly be lost, UNLESS this is genuinely an unbelievably enormous eruption spewing out fresh (not a good word) magma quicker than it is being cooled.
In my personal opinion, I assume that light is being created from something burning on the surface of the water. It has been suggested that it could be methane, burning remnants of a meteor etc etc. The earthquakes that occurred around the time of this event could very easily have disturbed a methane deposit. We already know it is very possible that some of these methane pockets can geneually be enormous, the presence of other gasses can explain the variation in colour, and the "beam of light" could have been what ignited the methane, or the release of energy from the ignition of the methane itself. The green aurora in the atmosphere again could be due to the presence of huge quantities of methane if it has been venting for some time.
That is what I think has been witnessed.
edit on 27-8-2014 by bdotz because: oops
originally posted by: bdotz
So after years of reading various threads on ATS, finally one has grabbed my attention and quite frankly baffled me to the point where I must create an account and get involved.
Firstly, the photos. I am no camera expert and have no experience using sophisticated cameras or techniques. After reading the replies on this thread and doing a little research on the web, I have come to the conclusion that these types of photos could quite easily have been taken in the scenario the pilot describes. Secondly, as somebody has mentioned, the pilot would not only be risking ridicule, but also his profession and possibly much more. So again taking all this into account, my general feeling is these photos are genuine, along with his account of the event.
The light is either manmade or natural. Due to the intensity of the light, the massive area affected, and my lack of ability to understand what would be the purpose of creating such a outstanding lightshow in the middle of nowhere, I am going to say this is not manmade light.
It has been suggested that this is a volcanic eruption. For the light to be that intense and visible through cloud, the eruption would have to be taking place above the water line or just, and I mean only just under the surface. The magma cools very quickly and loses its energy by heating the surrounding water, not by emitting light, so the warm glow would very quickly be lost, UNLESS this is genuinely an unbelievably enormous eruption spewing out fresh (not a good word) magma quicker than it is being cooled.
In my personal opinion, I assume that light is being created from something burning on the surface of the water. It has been suggested that it could be methane, burning remnants of a meteor etc etc. The earthquakes that occurred around the time of this event could very easily have disturbed a methane deposit. We already know it is very possible that some of these methane pockets can geneually be enormous, the presence of other gasses can explain the variation in colour, and the "beam of light" could have been what ignited the methane, or the release of energy from the ignition of the methane itself. The green aurora in the atmosphere again could be due to the presence of huge quantities of methane if it has been venting for some time.
That is what I think has been witnessed.
lol did you miss the memo.
earthobservatory.nasa.gov...
Hundreds of these boats go to the same areas.
I have considered fishing boats yes.
The reason I didn't mention this is because on the images of fishing boats clustered together you can quite clearly see the the small dots of individual light which make up the larger formation of boats, even on that satellite image in the article you so kindly felt the need to bring to my attention. Not to mention that the lights they use are not the colours we see in the pictures taken by the pilot.
I'm sure even with your inability to consider and analyse all the information available to us you can see my point! then again, you failed to see the singular points of light..
The reason I didn't mention this is because on the images of fishing boats clustered together you can quite clearly see the the small dots of individual light which make up the larger formation of boats, even on that satellite image in the article you so kindly felt the need to bring to my attention. Not to mention that the lights they use are not the colours we see in the pictures taken by the pilot.
I'm sure even with your inability to consider and analyse all the information available to us you can see my point! then again, you failed to see the singular points of light..
originally posted by: Jungian
Yeah damn... you are late to the party.
Yea sorry for being reasonable by skipping all (majority) of the posts that believes its clearly something else.
earthobservatory.nasa.gov...
Hundreds of these boats go to the same areas.
edit on 27-8-2014 by Jungian because: (typos)
Try reading and researching a bit before attempting a fart-in-the-wind debunk.
The fishing boats use yellow, blue and green lights exclusively.
Red is actually a color they never use due to the wavelength not penetrating any real depth in water. extra DIV
Also where the pilot had seen the lights the seabed is fairly uniform for a seabed. Fishing fleets tend to stick to shelves.
originally posted by: bdotz
I have considered fishing boats yes.
The reason I didn't mention this is because on the images of fishing boats clustered together you can quite clearly see the the small dots of individual light which make up the larger formation of boats, even on that satellite image in the article you so kindly felt the need to bring to my attention. Not to mention that the lights they use are not the colours we see in the pictures taken by the pilot.
I'm sure even with your inability to consider and analyse all the information available to us you can see my point! then again, you failed to see the singular points of light..
At least I did not fail to see the simplest explanation instead of speculating to kingdom come. My bad, seeing this on ATS and all...
edit
on 27-8-2014 by Jungian because: (no reason given)
Jungian... Fishing boats are probably the first thing all of us thought it could be. But spend a little time considering the lights aren't the normal
colours used, and that if these are fishing boats, the area a single boat is illuminating is absolutely huge, you can quickly assume that it isn't
fishing boats creating the light.
originally posted by: Jungian
lol did you miss the memo.
earthobservatory.nasa.gov...
Hundreds of these boats go to the same areas.
LOL apparently, YOU missed the memo.
THIS IS WHAT THE FISHING BOATS LOOK LIKE:
Hell, the copilot/photographer himself even mentioned he's seen the fleets many times before and they don't use RED lights.
edit on 27-8-2014
by 8675309jenny because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: 8675309jenny
originally posted by: Jungian
lol did you miss the memo.
earthobservatory.nasa.gov...
Hundreds of these boats go to the same areas.
LOL apparently, YOU missed the memo.
THIS IS WHAT THE FISHING BOATS LOOK LIKE:
Hell, the copilot/photographer himself even mentioned he's seen the fleets many times before and they don't use RED lights.
So the pictures could not have been tampered with? The pilot who claimed to never have seen it before, earned some extra minutes of fame by lying like any UFO hoaxer? I believe thats a whole lotta more plausible.
originally posted by: bdotz
Jungian... Fishing boats are probably the first thing all of us thought it could be. But spend a little time considering the lights aren't the normal colours used, and that if these are fishing boats, the area a single boat is illuminating is absolutely huge, you can quickly assume that it isn't fishing boats creating the light.
I guess, but I lean a lot more towards sensationalism like a UFO hoax.
originally posted by: Jungian
originally posted by: bdotz
Jungian... Fishing boats are probably the first thing all of us thought it could be. But spend a little time considering the lights aren't the normal colours used, and that if these are fishing boats, the area a single boat is illuminating is absolutely huge, you can quickly assume that it isn't fishing boats creating the light.
I guess, but I lean a lot more towards sensationalism like a UFO hoax.
This guy would be risking his profession, legal action, fines etc. for some "extra minutes of fame" as you put it. He is apparently quite involved with the discussion on other sites and ATS, has asked for a full investigation into what he saw, is allegedly more than willing to answer questions from the general public, has been in contact with news agencies apparently...
I really do think this guy is genuine, but then again, people do do some weird stuff...
Wow..and I thought I knew everything.
I am at a loss but I would guess it's natural,
seismic and fascinating. I have searched undersea lava,
lava from space, lava from above,
island formation, plankton, fishing trawlers
and last known position of the comedian Carrot Top.
I got zilch for comparison. Not a darn thing.
Yes I saw plenty of glowing red,
but none quite like the photos.
Also where's the smoke and or steam? If something that
large & bright is illuminating the ocean, when it reaches
the surface shouldn't there be some type of condensation?
And even if it was thousands of feet down,
which is damn scary considering how bright it is,
wouldn't the temperature inversion create a fog ?
That's some cold water in that area.
Yep, you wasted your time reading this.
I'm no help at all, just befuddled.
I am at a loss but I would guess it's natural,
seismic and fascinating. I have searched undersea lava,
lava from space, lava from above,
island formation, plankton, fishing trawlers
and last known position of the comedian Carrot Top.
I got zilch for comparison. Not a darn thing.
Yes I saw plenty of glowing red,
but none quite like the photos.
Also where's the smoke and or steam? If something that
large & bright is illuminating the ocean, when it reaches
the surface shouldn't there be some type of condensation?
And even if it was thousands of feet down,
which is damn scary considering how bright it is,
wouldn't the temperature inversion create a fog ?
That's some cold water in that area.
Yep, you wasted your time reading this.
I'm no help at all, just befuddled.
The photographer asked me to post this:
Should there be errors/typos, that's on me, I translated it.
Why it is unlikely that it is a fishing fleet:
- Fishing vessels that hunt squid always use bright green and white lights to lure them to the surface. The red / orange glow is not logical.
- This type of fleet (as seen here earthobservatory.nasa.gov...) always fish on the edge of the continental where the ocean merges into the deep sea, as there will be the most fish and squid. Not that far into the deep sea... that's what makes it so strange.
Should there be errors/typos, that's on me, I translated it.
originally posted by: Jungian
So the pictures could not have been tampered with? The pilot who claimed to never have seen it before, earned some extra minutes of fame by lying like any UFO hoaxer? I believe thats a whole lotta more plausible.
Dude has a six-figure income already, I don't think he needs e-fame and all the ridiculous emails that come with it.
His website has DOZENS of beautiful pictures taken mostly from aircraft. I don't see much motivation to hoax anything. If he was some broke-ass living in an airstream somewhere around Barstow, on the outskirts of the desert then yes, you'd have a compelling argument.
Also, I'm just about the last person to jump on any UFO theories. I firmly believe there is a natural or man-made explanation to this. I'd just like to know what it is.
edit on 27-8-2014 by 8675309jenny because: (no reason given)
*New idea*
Could a Gamma Ray, or other cosmic burst electrolyze the water and cause burning hydrogen/oxygen bubbles?
Could a Gamma Ray, or other cosmic burst electrolyze the water and cause burning hydrogen/oxygen bubbles?
i mentioned a while back that the Beam that the pilot saw shoot straight up in the air could possibly have been an energy beam from the HARP facility
( Hot Chena Springs AK ) It seems that it would have been possible for the Pilot to have seen it that far away...as the beam would have gone to the
ionosphere and then bounced off. If his flight was directly inline with the way the beam was angled it would have appeared to go straight up even if
it was angled toward the direction of the plane.
I know that when I went to the facility and had a tour of it ( delivered signal generator from dismantled back scatter radar system Moscow ME March 06 ) they mentioned that one of the things that they were trying to develop was the ability to communicate with submarines while they were down deep. Maybe the energy beam could create this type of phenomena when it enters the water.
If it is volcanic in nature ...I have to believe that there are heat sensing satelites that would have picked up on it. I'm not saying that the associated agencies would necessarily say anything but I would tend to believe that it would be picked up.
Harry
I know that when I went to the facility and had a tour of it ( delivered signal generator from dismantled back scatter radar system Moscow ME March 06 ) they mentioned that one of the things that they were trying to develop was the ability to communicate with submarines while they were down deep. Maybe the energy beam could create this type of phenomena when it enters the water.
If it is volcanic in nature ...I have to believe that there are heat sensing satelites that would have picked up on it. I'm not saying that the associated agencies would necessarily say anything but I would tend to believe that it would be picked up.
Harry
originally posted by: 8675309jenny
originally posted by: Jungian
So the pictures could not have been tampered with? The pilot who claimed to never have seen it before, earned some extra minutes of fame by lying like any UFO hoaxer? I believe thats a whole lotta more plausible.
Dude has a six-figure income already, I don't think he needs e-fame and all the ridiculous emails that come with it.
His website has DOZENS of beautiful pictures taken mostly from aircraft. I don't see much motivation to hoax anything. If he was some broke-ass living in an airstream somewhere around Barstow, on the outskirts of the desert then yes, you'd have a compelling argument.
Also, I'm just about the last person to jump on any UFO theories. I firmly believe there is a natural or man-made explanation to this. I'd just like to know what it is.
Ill stand corrected then. It is surely natural or monkey made yes. But, you never know what lengths people go to, rich or poor...
One example I can throw in is the wealthy spanish bitch (forgot the name) who told a great lie about losing her none existant husband in WTC, and became the major spokeswoman for the widows after 9/11. When she was exposed she disappeared completely. Unbelievable, but still true. And nobody still sees a real motive there. Some people are just fkn insane and get to have a wonderful time with naive people.
nymag.com...
I didnt mean to derail.
edit on 27-8-2014 by Jungian because: (no reason given)
the photos presented in the OP are amazing along with the communications from the actual pilot who took the photos. really intriguing stuff,
especially coming from a seasoned pilot. lends much more credence to all of this.
it's really crazy how people spend so much time ruling out all these possibilities, pages of dialogue, then people just jump in, not having read anything, no frame of reference, because they know better, and make a comment that has already been ruled out and that has to now be re-argued about for pages again only to come to a conclusion that was already reached.
anyway, i just wanted to say keep up the good work to everyone keeping this thread afloat and not letting it get bogged down and die from all the nonsense people are tossing around here.
it's really crazy how people spend so much time ruling out all these possibilities, pages of dialogue, then people just jump in, not having read anything, no frame of reference, because they know better, and make a comment that has already been ruled out and that has to now be re-argued about for pages again only to come to a conclusion that was already reached.
anyway, i just wanted to say keep up the good work to everyone keeping this thread afloat and not letting it get bogged down and die from all the nonsense people are tossing around here.
Hi there to all,
Many thanks to the OP for bringing this to ATS,
i am very surprised that nobody has mentioned the fact that the area that it took place is a well known
testing area for Russia,
especially the Russian peninsula of Kamchatka ;-)
well known for tests of `exotic ` weapons during the Cold -War.
snoopyuk
Many thanks to the OP for bringing this to ATS,
i am very surprised that nobody has mentioned the fact that the area that it took place is a well known
testing area for Russia,
especially the Russian peninsula of Kamchatka ;-)
well known for tests of `exotic ` weapons during the Cold -War.
snoopyuk
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