This is ISIS. This is the truth: Exposing the bull# on ATS

a reply to: daaskapital

Sorry OP, you're talking too much sense. This is a conspiracy forum, it thrives on nonsense and suspicion, not reality and facts.

Ultimately, individuals are responsible for how they at, how they treat others and the damage they cause. Individual choose to pick up a gun, take someones life, claim it's all in the name of religion.

Creation of the weapon, or allowing the means, doesn't ever remove responsibility from the one who uses it to murder. That's the distinction that many here refuse to accept. No one is really to blame but the person who chooses to maim and kill.

a reply to: daaskapital

Well said! ISIS is the direct result of America's invasion of Iraq based on fabricated threat of WMDs. Not only did the US Bush cabinet lie about Saddam Hussein's WMDs and cooperation with Al-Qaeda, but it also dismantled Iraq's security and political structure, which allowed terrorist groups to infiltrate society. US and UK intelligence also conducted covert attacks (see Basra, 19 September 2005) on Shiite mosques to incite massive secular conflicts to justify its unpopular occupation. The US coalition, which initially dictated political diversity kept Sunni tribal leaders out of political reformation and petroleum shares, which has left them disenfranchised and willing to join ISIS or any Sunni based militant group in the region.

I think you've shown good evidence in your post that supports the general conclusion that ISIS is in fact the result of western policy, which is a disaster of grand proportions, coming around to bite us all in the backside.

Great post.

The BBC are the Fox News of the UK, and Wikipedia is quite possibly the most unreliable source on the Internet.

You sure cut out the BS, op. 👍

originally posted by: Rocker2013
a reply to: daaskapital

Sorry OP, you're talking too much sense. This is a conspiracy forum, it thrives on nonsense and suspicion, not reality and facts.

Ultimately, individuals are responsible for how they at, how they treat others and the damage they cause. Individual choose to pick up a gun, take someones life, claim it's all in the name of religion.

Creation of the weapon, or allowing the means, doesn't ever remove responsibility from the one who uses it to murder. That's the distinction that many here refuse to accept. No one is really to blame but the person who chooses to maim and kill.

In sociology, a person looses his individual thinking processes within the environment of war and violence. If a decade of war, killing and destitution came to your nation, you'd be doing the same things in the name of "freedom" or whatever fits into your thought construct. You'd be a freedom fighter, not a terrorist.

This is the science by which political elites and pentagon war planners well understand and utilize to prolong conflicts that they benefit from. I would suggest a thorough study of the documents referred to as the "Pentagon Papers", a formerly top secret, 5,000 page war manual which in many terms lays out the methodology of inducing conflicts within conflicts, as a tool of provocation on multiple levels of manipulation and control. It began in Vietnam and has played out well in the Middle East. It has spun out of the west's control, creating revolutions and militant factions which have both deposed western influences (and intelligence) through the removal of corrupt leaders and which now poses a much greater threat than if the west had done nothing to oppose Al-Qaeda.

originally posted by: SensiblyReckless
The BBC are the Fox News of the UK, and Wikipedia is quite possibly the most unreliable source on the Internet.

You sure cut out the BS, op. 👍

And what are reliable sources in your opinion?

originally posted by: paxnatus
I have read through this entire thread and have not seen this in case you are not aware, i would like to make something very clear...In 2012 Obama and his administration was warned about ISIS gaining power and would most likely start a move into Iraq and begin a takeover. The warnings came from our intelligence and counter intelligence officers in the military and the CIA...Obama chose to turn his back on the Clear and Present danger! He was too busy courting Hollywood with appearances on the Tonight Show and Letterman...it was also gonna make him look like the "putz" he is during his Presidential campaign. After all he declared "al Queda has been decimated"

Lets not forgot Obama was in such a hurry to pull troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan to pump himself up for re election and serve his own self inflated ego, against the advice of several Military advisors that were in charge. It is my belief Obama did this for one of two reasons...The first is his total incompetence and ignorance when it comes to foreign policy! Or the second, he and he alone not the entire govt. is in cahoots with the Muslim Brotherhood which has heavy ties with IS!

Did we funnel guns to ISIS no i do not believe we did. It is no lie however, that often the US supports the bad guys when the leader is out of control and conducting genocide or mass murder..Do we need the reminder that Sadam had killed approx. 400,000 Kurds and everyone supported the idea that we and the rest of the world needed to stop him
That he had weapons of mass destruction...This was a bi partisan decision by congress and the International security council...

Just because there are times that we and our allies must take a stand against terror does not mean we support or build blood thirsty terrorists that stand for nothing!
ISIS got most of the American weapons by stealing them from the Iraqi's. Please, like Russia hasn't funneled money and weapons to the Mid East! They also acquired them when Obama jerked the American troops out so quickly!

As far as shills on ATS, i love this, when someone holds a differing opinion, completely discredit them so not attack the message but the messenger....This is just ignorant baseless rhetoric! I am tired of unintelligent posts that fall back on this. Kinda like, "BLAME BUSH"!

Please know by Obama's ignorance and incompetence as a leader he personally made a choice to give ISIS more power..
But he will never except or answer to the accusation....why, that may make him come undone and hit a sand trap for god' s sake! LOL

Pax

Your in denial. I posted another link earlier but again...
US smuggling weapons to Syrian rebels: The real Benghazi story

If thats not enough just search engine "US smuggling arms to rebels", there are pages of different articles.

Here is their ultimiate psychotic goal..
Plans for Redrawing the Middle East: The Project for a “New Middle East”

If you don't know whats going on, its because you don't want to. Its not some big secret, or conspiracy, literally anyone paying attention to international politics on a regular basis can figure out whats going on. Whistle-blowers, have been yelling this to the american sheeple for a long time now.

Here is what the military had to say about the "rebels" we were supporting before the state department changed the name from Al Qaeda to ISIS to fool the sheeple...
Military Revolt Against Obama’s Attack on Syria

Don't fall for the propaganda, there is plenty of info out there, take advantage of it.

a reply to: LarryLove
Certainly not the BBC or Wikipedia, LOL.

I prefer to use my intuition and not rely on someone else telling me what to think

originally posted by: pyramid head
Is this a joke? ATS members are for the most part pretty informed. You would have to be a real neo con or obozo zombie not to know that the US is responsible for ISIS.

The 'gubmint' is merely a façade that the perpetraitors are using to hide behind...

JFK, Disraeli, Roosevelt, etc. all knew what was really going on.

The governments could not possibly be behind all of this and they knew this very well.

This is why JFK and so many others like him were silenced.

What we are talking about is something much more powerful than just the US...

• ‘The Octopus’

• ‘The Secret Team’

• ‘An Invisible Empire’

• ‘The Unseen Hand’

• ‘The Hidden Hand’

• ‘The Invisible Government’

"Governments do not govern, but merely control the machinery of government, being themselves controlled by the hidden hand." ~ Benjamin Disraeli; Prime Minister of England

“Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.”— Theodore Roosevelt, 26th President of the United States

"Danny Casolaro called it "the Octopus". A vast, interlocking network of criminal conspiracy that reaches into every branch and agency of the U.S. government, many other national governments, and every sector of our societies."

Past presidents of the United States and other high profile political leaders have repeatedly issued warnings over the last 214 years that the U.S. government is under the control of an “invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people.”

According to six of our former presidents, one vice-president, and a myriad of other high profile political leaders, an invisible government that is “incredibly evil in intent” has been in control of the U.S. government “ever since the days of Andrew Jackson” (since at least 1836). They “virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both parties… It operates under cover of a self-created screen [and] seizes our executive officers, legislative bodies, schools, courts, newspapers and every agency created for the public protection.”

From Washington to JFK: Former Presidents Warn About Illuminati

a reply to: daaskapital Thanks for the great summary. But one thing I just can't understand is why so many people are validating this group of slimy slug thugs by actually using their self given title. Instead of going along with what they want to be called, why aren't people just calling them "the group of primitive, out of control thugs" that they are. On another note, how long before these middle eastern non religious maggots hiding behind a religion go to one of the ebola ridden countries, get a couple of their suicide patsies to get the disease and take it to an incubation centre of their choosing (say a cave, a sewer, a toilet ..... you know ..... one of those places that they seem to feel so comfortable in) where they infect a bunch of their brain dead members then they all take off around the world to shopping centres, airports, major sporting events. It makes me shudder when I think of how a small group of smelly, rotting non humans have the potential to significantly damage our global society.

a reply to: greatfriendbadfoe
Aren't you a lovely ray of sunshine

I think I'd be quite pissed off if a foreign military invaded my country and bombed it into oblivion, stole resources, murdered innocents, destabilised, etc.

You know what they say - one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

originally posted by: Murgatroid

originally posted by: pyramid head
Is this a joke? ATS members are for the most part pretty informed. You would have to be a real neo con or obozo zombie not to know that the US is responsible for ISIS.

The 'gubmint' is merely a façade that the perpetraitors are using to hide behind...

JFK, Disraeli, Roosevelt, etc. all knew what was really going on.

The governments could not possibly be behind all of this and they knew this very well.

This is why JFK and so many others like him were silenced.

What we are talking about is something much more powerful than just the US...

• ‘The Octopus’

• ‘The Secret Team’

• ‘An Invisible Empire’

• ‘The Unseen Hand’

• ‘The Hidden Hand’

• ‘The Invisible Government’

"Governments do not govern, but merely control the machinery of government, being themselves controlled by the hidden hand." ~ Benjamin Disraeli; Prime Minister of England

“Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.”— Theodore Roosevelt, 26th President of the United States

"Danny Casolaro called it "the Octopus". A vast, interlocking network of criminal conspiracy that reaches into every branch and agency of the U.S. government, many other national governments, and every sector of our societies."

Past presidents of the United States and other high profile political leaders have repeatedly issued warnings over the last 214 years that the U.S. government is under the control of an “invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people.”

According to six of our former presidents, one vice-president, and a myriad of other high profile political leaders, an invisible government that is “incredibly evil in intent” has been in control of the U.S. government “ever since the days of Andrew Jackson” (since at least 1836). They “virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both parties… It operates under cover of a self-created screen [and] seizes our executive officers, legislative bodies, schools, courts, newspapers and every agency created for the public protection.”

From Washington to JFK: Former Presidents Warn About Illuminati

Not really sure what you are saying? I was simply saying that the US, using taxpayer money, is covertly(now not so covertly) funding terrorists organizations. Do I think that it is a group of people literally acting on the behalf of the US government? No. I would say criminal elements within our government.

As to what specific group, who knows. There are many globalists demons and war whores out there; gates, Rothschild, Soros, berzyznski, saxe coburg gotha, the list can go on and on and on. I think that's more of a different topic though, well maybe not so much different as more specific. I think we agree though...

originally posted by: CallYourBluff

originally posted by: daaskapital

originally posted by: CallYourBluff
So they swore allegiance to Al Qaeda who are funded by the USA and we can't blame the USA for funding ISIS?

Do you have evidence?

Yes my Youtube/wikipedia research, haha. No not really, I'd say it's impossible to have evidence of anything going on over there. To much misinformation.

Well, considering the OP's evidence consists of a few links to Wikipedia and one to the all-knowing bbc, I would say your youtube and Wikipedia has to be just as accurate.

Can the OP say no to that?

a reply to: SensiblyReckless it was a sewer pit even before anyone went in and bombed it to oblivion. Bush just went in and rearranged the furniture. But yes, he was a stupid idiot doing what he did. imo he only did it to cover his incompetence in dealing with his internal economic situation. But thanks for the compliment, yes I do see my comments as sunshine compared to where I think this will all end up.

a reply to: pyramid head

All I was trying to say is that the US is YOU and ME.

This is clearly NOT a different topic.

I referred to the people who are actually behind ISIS.

Look at the big picture instead of the details.

OP, you do realize that ANYONE can make changes and add to Wikipedia right? NEVER use Wikipedia as a source. It only shows how ignorant you are, but thanks for exposing the other ignorant ATS members who are saying "GREAT POST!"

a reply to: greatfriendbadfoe
Well, I agree with you on one thing - this situation isn't going to have a happy ending.

originally posted by: daaskapital
I see so much bull# on ATS, regarding ISIS and its origins. This thread exists for the sole purpose of providing members the truth regarding ISIS and its origins. So please, i urge everyone to read on.

People claim that ISIS exists because the US made it so. People claim that ISIS was created in Syria, during its civil war. People claim that the USA and UK directly and knowingly funded extreme Islamic groups in Syria. People claim that there are no moderate rebels in Syria, and that the US has been funding ISIS all along. Well guess what? All of this is bull# of the highest order. There is no evidence, nothing, to suggest that the USA directly established ISIS.

Here's the truth:

ISIS was established by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in early 2004, as a result of the coalition invasion of Iraq. It initially operated under the name of Jamāʻat al-Tawḥīd wa-al-Jihād, before swearing its allegiance to Al Qaeda in October of the same year, and calling itself Tanẓīm Qāʻidat al-Jihād fī Bilād al-Rāfidayn. You knew this organisation as 'Al Qaeda in Iraq'; they then knew themselves as 'The Organization of Jihad's Base in the Country of the Two Rivers'.

In 2006, 'The Organization of Jihad's Base in the Country of the Two Rivers' merged with smaller Iraqi jihadist groups, and proceed to name the coalition as the Mujahideen Shura Council'. It had little success, and after the death of founder al-Zarqawi, disbanded in October of the same year. The group to replace the Mujahideen Shura Council just so happened to be a group named the Islamic State of Iraq, or ISI. Abu Abdullah al-Rashid al-Baghdadi and Abu Ayyub al-Masri became the new leaders of ISI, with other jihadist groups in Iraq opposing the establishment of the organisation itself.

Abu Abdullah al-Rashid al-Baghdadi and Abu Ayyub al-Masri ruled ISIS for a number of years, until they were both assassinated in a joint US/Iraqi operation on 18 April 2010. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi then became the new leader of ISI, and until 2011, remained somewhat silent.

During the Syrian civil war, ISI expanded its operations into the country, and established Jabhat al-Nusra in 2012. Jabhat al-Nusra was intended to be ISI's official branch in Syria, with Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi stating that ISI and Jabhat al-Nusra would merge to become the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS. The proclaimed merge was refused by the leader of Jabhat al-Nusra, Abu Muhammad al-Jawlani. Ayman al-Zawahiri, the leader of Al Qaeda, came to Abu Muhammad al-Jawlani's defence, and ruled against the proposed merge. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi refused the ruling, and insisted that ISIS would merge with jabhat al-Nusra. Al Qaeda ordered ISIS to disband, and after an intense power struggle, broke all relations with the outfit.

ISIS then expanded into Syria, where it found success in taking strategically important cities such as Raqqa, before expanding its actions into Iraq. After finding some success in Iraq, ISIS changed its name to the 'Islamic State', and declared a caliphate on June 29 2014.

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The above is a general run down on ISIS and its history. As can be seen, ISIS was not formed in Syria, by the USA. Indeed, the USA considers ISIS a terrorist organisation, and actually listed it as such in 2004, the year of its birth. For an organisation opposed to the allied invasion of Iraq, it would seem illogical for the USA to support such a group. This is doubly so now, considering the fact that ISIS is directly threatening the stability of Iraq. This leads on to the next point, the debate as to whether or not the USA has supported ISIS in Syria.

Many argue that ISIS has been directly supported by the USA in Syria. This claim is untruthful, as the USA has intended to only fund moderate rebels, of whom are a separate entity to their Islamist counterparts. Indeed, the USA has trained and financially supported members of the FSA, and yes, it is true that many have defected to ISIS. But it is simply wrong to suggest that ISIS itself, has received any such treatment from the West. It is also incorrect to conclude that ISIS has somehow been supported by the US, simply because it now controls the Eastern region of Syria - an area recently controlled by both, the Syrian government and moderate opposition. The USA has only supported appropriately vetted rebels, and while some have defected to ISIS, it should be noted that jihadists are not considered appropriate contenders for support.

So why then, are we having to deal with this misinformation? Why am i having to sit hear at the dead of night, authoring this piece to inform others of the truth surrounding the Islamist group that is ISIS? I feel it is due to an ignorance around these groups, and towards the USA in general. I know this thread has not touched on all of the bases, as it would take multiple books to even achieve such a feat. That said, i do hope that this thread has spurred at least one person to go further and conduct their own research into the overall situation.

In conclusion, here are some sources for members here to get started on their research:

ISIS:

en.wikipedia.org...
www.bbc.com...

ISIS leaders:

en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

Syrian civil war:

en.wikipedia.org...

Terrorist organisation list:

www.state.gov...

Here's a thread i authored some time ago, pointing out some of the forces fighting in Syria. It may help in gaining a greater understanding of the variety of organisations in the state, but please be aware that the thread itself is quite dated and not all encompassing. There are obviously further organisations inside the state:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Anyway, i thank everyone for reading.

- Daas.

www.youtube.com...=93

Please people. Entertain that this is all part of the plan. Do you know how many offices for strategic services there are planning things decades in advance?

Just answer this question.

If the United States wanted there to be peace in the Middle East, why did they work so hard to overthrow the leaders there that kept it stable?

Just answer that question. Answer it.

This was their plan. You guys are falling for the fake cause and effect.

Don't be stupid.

AAC

a reply to: pyramid head

It's interesting after they rejected the neocon scam to get in the war in Syria, right after that all of a sudden ISIS went on their rampage. I had speculated at the time that this is the globalist NWO punishment for denying them their war in Syria.

Obviously, the US would have used cutouts to fund these notorious groups such as they did in Pakistan with the ISI who created the Taliban and financed other Jihadi groups for the CIA when it was in their interests.

(Funny always those same letters coming up (ISI/ISIS/IS/SISI)
I don’t know what that means, if anything. I thought I’d mention it just in case someone does know what it might mean

It appears the US Deep black op boys may have copy and pasted the same template it used in Afghanistan and Pakistan to create their little war over there and now they have their new war over in the Levant AGAIN!

They, in this case, the deep black op boys, are using Turkey--to let the fighters through the huge border to come to Syria. Qatar and some Saudi cutouts are used to finance this terror army.
So in this case Turkey, Qatar, and Saudi is doing the same thing that Pakistan is doing in the Afghanistan Theater of war

What are they precisely doing?

Creating a viable enemy for the US military Industrial Intelligence Complex.

Now they would have preferred to just have gone into Syria and f___k that country up further but the people and the US congress got in the way.

Remember the phony chemical attack caper they used to get in that war blew up in their faces...

This may turn out better for the blood thirsty bastards since now they have another little war on ISIS, as well you better believe they will use this to further f___ up Syria if and when they can.