This is ISIS. This is the truth: Exposing the bull# on ATS

Mysteries of ISIS
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I would venture to say that the funding of ISIS by wealthy elements of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Qatar, our supposed allies, is probable cause that some people in western oil(and the politicians they own) are at the very least looking the other way.

It's not as damning as say, the Bush-Bin Laden Carslyle ties, but it does give one the framework to imagine hypotheticals about funneling money to ISIS, considering that type of thing is the CIA's forte.



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a reply to: humanityrising

It’s the same thing going on in Afghanistan where the US’ ally Pakistan has nurtured the Taliban as an enemy of the US.

Here Pakistan=Turkey, Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait

ISIS= Turkey, Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait

Taliban = Pakistan (ISI)

Are we brain dead or what. The mighty US military machinery could grind “ISIS” completely into the ground in ONE DAY … if they wanted. But obviously they don’t want that solution. Which tells us ….

originally posted by: CallYourBluff
So they swore allegiance to Al Qaeda who are funded by the USA and we can't blame the USA for funding ISIS?[/quote thankz i just had a huge one pager to enlighten the op, however perfectly put in layman's .

a reply to: daaskapital

Not trying to argue the tenor of the OP but I do have issue on the qualification of "evidence".

After spending some quality time in Iraq with many of these fine folks, I would argue trying to pin down direct 'evidence' of anything is a fool's errand. People, circumstances, money, weapons, etc. all disappear/reappear like smoke in the wind.

If we throw the alphabet agencies in the mix, it only gets cloudier. They tend not to record their efforts on Wikipedia.

I am not claiming the US is fully to blame or completely blameless. Multivariate issues never are that clear cut. I simply recommend caution when hitching your wagon to any theory of why this or that happened in the ME.

a reply to: giugliot

They could have 2 years ago... Now it is a much larger, and more complex problem. Destroy them in Iraq and Syria, then what?

Have they fully assessed the risks, or how they may be able to retaliate against western interests domestic and in the region?

Could that be why there have only been limited airstrikes by the USA??

a reply to: daaskapital Barry, is that you???

a reply to: Willtell

Exactly what I think.
Kudos, mr. Icke!

There are plans and conspiracies. And then there are news and entertainment to conceal it.

At the start, science is the subject. In the end, believing is the goal.

Thanks,

I like how they use the acronym "ISIS"... Isis is an ancient Egyptian goddess known for being "the friend of slaves, sinners, artisans and the downtrodden, but she also listened to the prayers of the wealthy, maidens, aristocrats and rulers.".

To me, ISIS is just another bogeyman created by people whom profit from war. As a tool to trigger emotional responses in the masses so they will want something they don't want... war.

ISIS was established by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in early 2004, as a result of the coalition invasion of Iraq.

This guy FIRST joined Al-Queda...which is well known to be created by America during the Russian - Afghanistan war. That said...America owns ISIS by proxy of the birth. Every decent cake has layers, and the same cook created the whole cake. Nuff said.

originally posted by: Murgatroid
a reply to: pyramid head

All I was trying to say is that the US is YOU and ME.

This is clearly NOT a different topic.

I referred to the people who are actually behind ISIS.

Look at the big picture instead of the details.

The US is not you and me in that context. If some guy robs a store in jersey and says he did it for America, am I now responsible? The criminal elements in our government are responsible, not myself or anyone else who saw through this crap and didn't support it. The thread is about ISIS being supported by the US, I was simply stating my opinion and supporting it, not speculating on other figures involved.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: pyramid head

It's interesting after they rejected the neocon scam to get in the war in Syria, right after that all of a sudden ISIS went on their rampage. I had speculated at the time that this is the globalist NWO punishment for denying them their war in Syria.

Couldn't agree more, the globalists and war whores will find a way to get their war one way or another. That demon McCain and miss lindsey graham couldn't be happier right now.

a reply to: daaskapital

Come on man: someone who is claiming to know the truth is such a world problem does not belong here. But maybe you were a little bit too sure about yourself. It happens to everyone. So no offense.

I find the name Isis provocative. So much world changing symbols and persons seem to have a bond with Isis (the greatest goddess and maybe part of our origins).

Isis could be an initiative from the real rulers to unite extremists from all over the world. Isis members (the organization) are fanatics. Their way of thinking is the only way. Women are slaves in their opinion (you don’t need authorities nor press to prove that fact). Isis seems to be gruesome, but be sure Americans and other mighty countries are sometimes gruesome too.

But I chose the American way of thinking and living although there is much injustice (a perfect world is still an illusion).

I think there is a big plan hovering over Isis. Let them hope to create an Islamic state. And be sure I have no problem with an Islamic state. But I have a very big problem with the way the extremists are practicing their ‘Bible’. (Our Bible is not better than the Koran.) Kurds and Turks that are reuniting and America as a coordinator? It would be a good base to create an Islamic state.

So maybe an Islamic state will come. If they are practicing their Koran just like we do with the Bible I have no problem with it. But the extremists must be wiped out. So maybe Isis is no more than an initiative of the real rulers to unite extremists. It would be so much easier to wipe them out or at least give them a knock they never would overcome. Who knows.

Anyway: I believe in such matters we only know what the media or the authorities are letting us know. And they are not always telling the truth.

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originally posted by: Gianfar
a reply to: daaskapital

Well said! ISIS is the direct result of America's invasion of Iraq based on fabricated threat of WMDs. Not only did the US Bush cabinet lie about Saddam Hussein's WMDs and cooperation with Al-Qaeda, but it also dismantled Iraq's security and political structure, which allowed terrorist groups to infiltrate society. US and UK intelligence also conducted covert attacks (see Basra, 19 September 2005) on Shiite mosques to incite massive secular conflicts to justify its unpopular occupation. The US coalition, which initially dictated political diversity kept Sunni tribal leaders out of political reformation and petroleum shares, which has left them disenfranchised and willing to join ISIS or any Sunni based militant group in the region.

I think you've shown good evidence in your post that supports the general conclusion that ISIS is in fact the result of western policy, which is a disaster of grand proportions, coming around to bite us all in the backside.

Great post.

and why in heavens name would they do all that?

US and UK aren't getting the oil.

unless it was all a diversion to steal the alien spacecrafts hidden under the museums!

You do realize Wikipedia is the #1 go-to destination for those wishing to misdirect the public right ??? Israel even hosts Wikipedia-editing classes!!

a reply to: daaskapital

Good job for misdirection and boot-licking OP. Exposing the Bull# indeed!

A truly outstanding OP. Well said.

An opposing view...

ISIS: Made in Washington, Riyadh – and Tel Aviv

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a reply to: daaskapital

You've been duped.

The sad thing is that you believe your presentation to be fact.

I'm not claiming to know the whole situation but what you have done is echo US propaganda while ignoring other mountains of evidence that question what you have presented.

Perhaps a bit more research should be in order next time before you present these things as fact. I appreciate the time you took to research this topic but the way you portrayed your material was overconfident and lacked the facts which you claimed to possess.

Here is some food for thought:

The former employee at US National Security Agency (NSA), Edward Snowden, has revealed that the British and American intelligence and the Mossad worked together to create the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

Snowden said intelligence services of three countries created a terrorist organisation that is able to attract all extremists of the world to one place, using a strategy called “the hornet’s nest”.

www.globalresearch.ca...

Members of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIS, were trained in 2012 by U.S. instructors working at a secret base in Jordan, according to informed Jordanian officials.

The officials said dozens of ISIS members were trained at the time as part of covert aid to the insurgents targeting the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in Syria. The officials said the training was not meant to be used for any future campaign in Iraq.

The Jordanian officials said all ISIS members who received U.S. training to fight in Syria were first vetted for any links to extremist groups like al-Qaida.

www.globalresearch.ca...

Now that's some egg on the face!

Another question, how come ISIS never attacks Israel?

Shouldn't they be their main target in the area?

That should be the main question people are asking.

I'm tired of people claiming to expose BS when all they are really doing is spreading it.