This is ISIS. This is the truth: Exposing the bull# on ATS

Ok maybe I'm crazy, but to me all this America is funding Isis and is covering it up seems silly. If the USA was in fact funding them and wanted to keep it secret why would the be giving them American made military hardware? If in fact they were wanting to secretly fund a terror cell or any army why wouldn't the purchase weapons through there back market channels that couldn't be linked back to the usa? It would be far easier and less likely to provide parallel Sif they supplied them with ak47s or military hardware from other countries. So why then would they supply us military hardware?

Logically it makes no sense if you want plausible deniability you source your black market deals for whatever hardware is available and provide that and then there is no link between you and the supported. Whereas you provide the supported with the same weapons and gear that you provide your troops and that provides a very strong and likely parallel. If the people in charge are as smart and secretive as most say they are I'm sure they would be able to figure this out as well.

In conclusion I will state that I find it improbable (though not impossible) that the USA is knowingly funding or supplying isis with the tools for war.

OP i have gave you a flag but not a star.

Let me tell you why.

This is going to sound like the green-eyed monster but its not.

Basically I do not think you have done this thread justice.

What you have said I totally agree with, factually what you have said I know to be true.

But I read your OP as I myself was working on a similar thread, which I may now trash in view of your own thread.

Yet your thread is really, lets face it, been ripped from wikipedia, it is not a real in depth thread about the origins of ISIS rather it is a summary of what Wiki has to say on the topic. This OP needs more in my view than just wiki.

What I will say however is that its good to see someone else trying to explain this, even if I dont like how you have went about your explanation.

Exactly, the OP is basically a Wikipedia cut&paste job.

www.theguardian.com...

electronicintifada.net...

A pro-Israel pressure group is orchestrating a secret, long-term campaign to infiltrate the popular online encyclopedia Wikipedia to rewrite Palestinian history, pass off crude propaganda as fact, and take over Wikipedia administrative structures to ensure these changes go either undetected or unchallenged.

thelede.blogs.nytimes.com...

www.globalresearch.ca...




Don't think for a second Israel and America aren't loving the negative publicity IS is creating, or that the US doesn't have the same type of Wiki editing plans.

a reply to: daaskapital

ISIS was established by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in early 2004, as a result of the coalition invasion of Iraq. It initially operated under the name of Jamāʻat al-Tawḥīd wa-al-Jihād, before swearing its allegiance to Al Qaeda in October of the same year, and calling itself Tanẓīm Qāʻidat al-Jihād fī Bilād al-Rāfidayn. You knew this organisation as 'Al Qaeda in Iraq'; they then knew themselves as 'The Organization of Jihad's Base in the Country of the Two Rivers'. In 2006, 'The Organization of Jihad's Base in the Country of the Two Rivers' merged with smaller Iraqi jihadist groups, and proceed to name the coalition as the Mujahideen Shura Council'. It had little success, and after the death of founder al-Zarqawi, disbanded in October of the same year. The group to replace the Mujahideen Shura Council just so happened to be a group named the Islamic State of Iraq, or ISI. Abu Abdullah al-Rashid al-Baghdadi and Abu Ayyub al-Masri became the new leaders of ISI, with other jihadist groups in Iraq opposing the establishment of the organisation itself.

Pretty easy to go to google and simply cut and paste all this "truth" And post it as if you wrote it.
It is verbatim on other places on the web.
Your truth is Status Quo, copy and paste, type stuff.
As it very well may be all rights, and public domain... But would like members to know, it was just a copy and paste job. Not using " " . As your post makes it like you wrote this stuff all out by hand, when if any of you copy and paste that first paragraph into google, you will find lots of hits, with the very same stuff in it.

I don't care about stars and flags. (not jealous here, for those who might make that claim.) Simply pointing that out, since you are calling us out on BS here on ATS. Calling you out OP. Nice copy and paste job.

Plagiarism is against the T&C here if I remember right.. Copy and paste much?
Or is the OP cyril_gaillard ?

First in your OP you claim US/west has nothing to do with ISIS, nor allies funded them.
Then you go back on that statement in a later post. Yet most people will not read the whole thread, and just take that first OP as the Golden truth.
When much of that copy and paste Status quo is correct, You are lying by omission.
Leaving out BIG gaps in that "truth".
The author of many parts of the OP Here. If that is indeed you daaskapital, you have my apology, however he wrote that a couple months back, before this thread popped up.

More copy and paste work.

Abu Abdullah al-Rashid al-Baghdadi and Abu Ayyub al-Masri ruled ISIS for a number of years, until they were both assassinated in a joint US/Iraqi operation on 18 April 2010. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi then became the new leader of ISI, and until 2011, remained somewhat silent.

Source here
Yet no " " used or source boxes. Yet laid out as if you sat there and wrote the whole thing out yourself.
Just google some of the writing on google, copy and paste into search feature.

There is so much more to this that just the Status Quo accounts.
Not taking bankers into account, and private groups based out of the US/West who are 100% funding ISIS.
Calling us out on BS, right back at ya bub.

Here's the truth: ISIS was established by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in early 2004, as a result of the coalition invasion of Iraq. It initially operated under the name of Jamāʻat al-Tawḥīd wa-al-Jihād, before swearing its allegiance to Al Qaeda in October of the same year, and calling itself Tanẓīm Qāʻidat al-Jihād fī Bilād al-Rāfidayn. You knew this organisation as 'Al Qaeda in Iraq'; they then knew themselves as 'The Organization of Jihad's Base in the Country of the Two Rivers'. In 2006, 'The Organization of Jihad's Base in the Country of the Two Rivers' merged with smaller Iraqi jihadist groups, and proceed to name the coalition as the Mujahideen Shura Council'. It had little success, and after the death of founder al-Zarqawi, disbanded in October of the same year. The group to replace the Mujahideen Shura Council just so happened to be a group named the Islamic State of Iraq, or ISI. Abu Abdullah al-Rashid al-Baghdadi and Abu Ayyub al-Masri became the new leaders of ISI, with other jihadist groups in Iraq opposing the establishment of the organisation itself. Abu Abdullah al-Rashid al-Baghdadi and Abu Ayyub al-Masri ruled ISIS for a number of years, until they were both assassinated in a joint US/Iraqi operation on 18 April 2010. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi then became the new leader of ISI, and until 2011, remained somewhat silent. During the Syrian civil war, ISI expanded its operations into the country, and established Jabhat al-Nusra in 2012. Jabhat al-Nusra was intended to be ISI's official branch in Syria, with Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi stating that ISI and Jabhat al-Nusra would merge to become the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS. The proclaimed merge was refused by the leader of Jabhat al-Nusra, Abu Muhammad al-Jawlani. Ayman al-Zawahiri, the leader of Al Qaeda, came to Abu Muhammad al-Jawlani's defence, and ruled against the proposed merge. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi refused the ruling, and insisted that ISIS would merge with jabhat al-Nusra. Al Qaeda ordered ISIS to disband, and after an intense power struggle, broke all relations with the outfit. ISIS then expanded into Syria, where it found success in taking strategically important cities such as Raqqa, before expanding its actions into Iraq. After finding some success in Iraq, ISIS changed its name to the 'Islamic State', and declared a caliphate on June 29 2014. Read more: www.disclose.tv...

Yeah lots of copy and pasting going on.. how is that Truth for you?

a reply to: daaskapital

Excellent facts on ISIS' origin. This thread will be a wonderful source.


I will only add one small detail.

ISIS is also the army of the Black Flags from Khorasan from Islamic prophecy.

Understanding what they are prophesied to accomplish and what they are doing all of this for would be a beneficial addition to this thread. it is one thing to know what ISIS is and where they came from; it is another thing to know why they do what they do and what their goals are.

God Bless,

originally posted by: tsingtao

originally posted by: Gianfar
a reply to: daaskapital

Well said! ISIS is the direct result of America's invasion of Iraq based on fabricated threat of WMDs. Not only did the US Bush cabinet lie about Saddam Hussein's WMDs and cooperation with Al-Qaeda, but it also dismantled Iraq's security and political structure, which allowed terrorist groups to infiltrate society. US and UK intelligence also conducted covert attacks (see Basra, 19 September 2005) on Shiite mosques to incite massive secular conflicts to justify its unpopular occupation. The US coalition, which initially dictated political diversity kept Sunni tribal leaders out of political reformation and petroleum shares, which has left them disenfranchised and willing to join ISIS or any Sunni based militant group in the region.

I think you've shown good evidence in your post that supports the general conclusion that ISIS is in fact the result of western policy, which is a disaster of grand proportions, coming around to bite us all in the backside.

Great post.

and why in heavens name would they do all that?

US and UK aren't getting the oil.

unless it was all a diversion to steal the alien spacecrafts hidden under the museums!

According to a Wall Street publication the following petrol companies have sweeping vested interests in IRAQI oil fields. This is what we were talking about months before the Middle East invasion of the two most promising "strategic" oil countries. Iraq and Afghanistan, which were already being developed by the Sino-Russo petroleum alliance. This is why Vladimir Putin feels betrayed by western venture capitalists and China is aggressively seeking new oil sources off the coast of Vietnam;

BP PLC (NYSE: BP) has a 38% working interest in the Rumaila field in southern Iraq. Rumaila is one of the five largest oil fields in the world and holds proved reserves of nearly 18 billion barrels. BP’s 2013 share of daily production from Rumaila was 39,000 barrels a day. BP operates in Iraq under a technical services contract that the company says is the functional equivalent of a production sharing agreement (PSA). In 2013, 15% of BP’s proved reserves were associated with its PSAs in nine countries, including Iraq. Out of daily production of more than 2 million barrels a day, BP’s Iraqi production is almost immaterial.

Exxon Mobil Corp. (NYSE: XOM) holds leases on approximately 900,000 onshore acres and at the end of 2013 claimed a net 23.2 development wells in Iraq’s West Qurna field. The field holds about half the proved reserves of Rumaila, and last year Exxon sold all but 25% of its stake in the field to Petrochina and Indonesia’s Pertamina. Exxon receives a per barrel payment of $1.90 for every barrel it produces above 244,000 barrels a day. Exxon also has agreements with the Kurdistan Regional Government in northern Iraq to explore for oil. Exxon produces no oil in Kurdistan, but the region is very near the current fighting in the northern part of the country. Read more: U.S. Oil Companies With the Most Exposure to Iraq -

BP p.l.c. (ADR) (NYSE:BP) - 24/7 Wall St. 247wallst.com... Follow us: @247wallst on Twitter | 247wallst on Facebook Occidental Petroleum Corp. (NYSE: OXY) is part of a consortium that in 2010 signed a 20-year contract with Iraq’s South Oil Company to develop the 4-billion barrel Zubair field. The company’s share of production in 2013 was approximately 17,000 barrels a day, about 2% of its worldwide production. ALSO READ: Companies With the Best (and Worst) Reputations Royal Dutch Shell

PLC (NYSE: RDS-A) owns 45% and is the operator of southern Iraq’s Majnoon field, which is holds 12.6 billion barrels of proved reserves. Production was restarted at Majnoon in September of last year, and when Shell lifted its first shipment for export in April, production was running at 210,000 barrels a day.

Chevron Corp. (NYSE: CVX) holds an 80% stake and is the operator of the Qara Dagh block in the Kurdistan region of Iraq. The project is still in the exploratory phase and there is no production. Because of its commitments in Kurdistan, Chevron is banned from bidding on projects in the rest of Iraq. Oil field services companies could also be affected by the current fighting in Iraq.

Schlumberger Ltd. (NYSE: SLB) posted nearly a quarter of its revenues in its Middle East & Asia sector, where revenues rose 23% year-over-year in 2013. Halliburton Co. (NYSE: HAL) posted about 34% of its revenues from its Middle East & Asia sector, and the company experienced double-digit growth in all its operating groups in that sector. About 18% of Baker Hughes Inc.’s (NYSE: BHI) 2013 revenues came in its Middle East & Asia Pacific sector, a jump of 24% year-over-year. None of these companies breaks out its Iraqi exposure in any more detail.

By Paul Ausick

I was born in country A there for me growing up in country B has no effect on me what so ever.

This is what the OP is saying lol.


What is worse is that some poster "omg OP you shed light in my eyes, i see the truth now, i will never believe anything bad they say anymore" Its hilarious.

Its like Propaganda vs Propaganda.

Its always good to know the people that are easily countrolled.

As some poster mentioned earlier, the truth is in the middle, not your story and not their story.

I have to stop reading this thread, no body seems to really know the facts about ISIS or ISIL or IS, what ever you want to call them.
Why does everyone always blame USA or CIA or MOSSAD or Mi6 for everything lol. YOU people assume so much stuff it's unbelievable.. Without actual proof.. Anyone can really say to stir up news, ohh MOSSAD trained us, ohh CIA this and that.. What you people really need to do is look deep down under the roots. Yeah, MOSSAD and MI6 and CIA done some f'ked up stuff, but stop blaming them without actual proof..
Everyone is like listening and watching the news or listening to 'Alex Jones' and sadly get brain washed by his BS, or anyone else.

Without making accusations, maybe we(I mean YOU) need to do some more research, when most of it is BLACK and WHITE we still don't read it, we go with out minds from what we hear or like to hear and miss out on the truth.
I don't believe ISIS is funded by CIA, they're bombing them after all. it's just unbelievable some of the threads I read on here, just sad how people are so brain washed on ignorance.

originally posted by: live2beknown
I have to stop reading this thread, no body seems to really know the facts about ISIS or ISIL or IS, what ever you want to call them.
Why does everyone always blame USA or CIA or MOSSAD or Mi6 for everything lol. YOU people assume so much stuff it's unbelievable.. Without actual proof.. Anyone can really say to stir up news, ohh MOSSAD trained us, ohh CIA this and that.. What you people really need to do is look deep down under the roots. Yeah, MOSSAD and MI6 and CIA done some f'ked up stuff, but stop blaming them without actual proof..
Everyone is like listening and watching the news or listening to 'Alex Jones' and sadly get brain washed by his BS, or anyone else.

Without making accusations, maybe we(I mean YOU) need to do some more research, when most of it is BLACK and WHITE we still don't read it, we go with out minds from what we hear or like to hear and miss out on the truth.
I don't believe ISIS is funded by CIA, they're bombing them after all. it's just unbelievable some of the threads I read on here, just sad how people are so brain washed on ignorance.

Saddam Hussein was a CIA operative who became president with the help of the CIA. He was also hung by his own people because Pres. George H W Bush (who was formerly head of the same CIA) turned against Hussein over oil price fixing.

Remember that the Panamanian dictator, Pres. Manuel Noriega was also a CIA operative, who was abandoned by Washington and taken out by US Special Forces. Most of the governments overthrown by the US in the post WWII era were also either economically supported by the US or western client states to begin with. Throughout Asia to Latin America to the Middle East, governments and the sovereignty of its people were disrespectfully usurped. That's a historical fact. Anyone denies the record is simply naive and ill informed.

When history is so rife with the deconstruction of fledgling democracies, one has to wonder what is in store for the western democratic future by its own leadership. If history plays out, those responsible for denying freedom elsewhere will turn their agendas on their own people. This is what Hitler and many other leaders have done, because people did nothing.

In looking at the militarized "security state" now in the west, it seems rather obvious that the democratic value system has been readily plundered by both the governments and their common constituents.

a reply to: zysin5

You are being very unfair to the OP and you are neglecting to even check out the dates those other pages were published.

The OP put this thread up on the 23rd cyril_gaillard posted his on the 25th.

The same can be said for your other links to your alleged "plagiarism", I cannot find any proof of actual plagiarism.

I would however reiterate my point that this thread is basically a summary of what Wiki has to say on this topic, its hardly anything new or particularly special. I think it paints a lot of ATS members in a bad light that they have to be spoon fed this summary of wiki.

like i said above, this thread was needed.

But i don't think the OP does it justice.

Will people please stop making excuses for Islam and their atrocities. It doesn't matter who made ISIS or who is funding them, at the end of the day it is an Islamic group that is killing people with Islamic ideals.

We need to look more deeper into Islam.

Islam are the new Nazi's

Oil is the new Gold.

Arabs are now the new 1% richest in the world. Governments and media pander to Muslims and Arabs.

Do not believe conspiracy documentaries as most are Muslim propaganda to make you hate your government and country. Especially David Icke who is a Muslim.

Ask yourself this, who benefits from you hating America, The UK and Jews???

originally posted by: DEV1L79
Will people please stop making excuses for Islam and their atrocities. It doesn't matter who made ISIS or who is funding them, at the end of the day it is an Islamic group that is killing people with Islamic ideals.

We need to look more deeper into Islam.

Islam are the new Nazi's

It does matter, and no one is making excuses for ISIS, we are trying to get to the ROOT.

This will be my last post in here. I have tried to reason, I have tried to support links and sources. I have even tried to bring to light that maybe the OP was a copy and paste. WE have the best MODs on the internet, if that was so, by now it would have been exposed. My apologies. The info stands up, yet there is lying by omission!

We are being lead to HATE Islam and Muslims, and everyday people like you and me.

The BIG Bankers are the ones double dealing here. I've made myself clear here, you either believe me or you will protect the status quo. I can not, and will not hold peoples hand to these truths.

Ive lost friends and family members to this War. I have much passion to this. I keep my anger in check, I keep my outrage in check. Yet I will not stand by while the ROOT of this problem gets off Scott FREE.
That is unfair. That is the real crime here.

Yes, there are some bad guys out there, killing our friends, our family! Yet at the root, It is private bankers and elite families.

The same guys who funded the Nazi's. And now Islam are the "new" Nazi's?
Okay sure, I can go with that. Yet who are backing these guys behind closed doors.

Even the OP admitted later that yes indeed there was influence by the US/West, under privately owned Corps, and private banks. These guys funded all wars in our past. They are doing it today!!!

I will not allow my friends and families deaths to be in VAIN! They must be stopped at the root, and when you look into this, you will find the ROOT. But not going to force anyone into this.

My heart is heavy with this stuff. And the pain of loss made me want to HATE a whole group of people I never met, nor know. Then I started to look into things, and researching history. I found ATS to be a great source for much of that learning. Private Bankers have been, and always will be the true Nazi's to this world.

I was being manipulated into hating a group of people, and so are many others, that is part of the plan. Makes killing them much easier for you and I when we HATE them. Not so easy to take a life when you see the light to this. Not so easy to just sit back and watch kids and women die from our weapons of death. You think its just all "bad" guys we are killing over there.. wake the F up!


We tried to stop them before. We even broke off the Crown to get away from them, we beat them and sent them packing. They came back in 1912, and here we are again. Remember the revolution? We where warned about Private Bankers for this very reason!

But the blood on our hands, for killing the native Americans will forever stain us, and that earned our forefathers some serious Karma. Maybe we deserve it, maybe all you who defend this status quo so desperately will receive some mercy from your new masters. That is a whole other can of worms.


*Off topic. Hitler rose to power by VOTE. The people gave him executive Powers out of fear. And look what we have here today. Those who are totally against this way of thinking. Just take a moment, like 3 days out of your lives to research this. Do the homework, look for the ROOT of this. Hitler used "terroism" to further his cause, and used the parasitism bickering and and forth, remind you of congress today?
Human nature, wants a strong leader. Thus History repeats, and so many people are Blind to this face.. WHY? Why I ask?

That is all. And OP, sorry if I accused you of plagiarism, but when I did a google search, lots of the same stuff came up from different sites, and many other places. It seemed like you just made a copy and paste post. And spoon fed people what the Status quo wanted them to know. You left out SO MUCH. That is by definition Lying by omission.

Thank you, I will take my leave now.

a reply to: zysin5

My sincere condolences for your lost. Go in peace my friend and come back when your heart is ready. And thanks for your contributions to the search for truth.

And just believe; believe that one fine day the light of truth will one day dispel all this darkness

That’s the true Jihad

The struggle and search for truth and love!

a reply to: DEV1L79

So, would you condemn all Catholics in the world due to the rampant sexual abuse committed by clergy and other church affiliates?

a reply to: zysin5

Take solace in the fact that you are one of the few who is truly human enough to admit prejudice yet are critically minded enough to seek the truth for yourself. I admire you and many others in this thread/site/world should take note.

a reply to: daaskapital

This ISIS?

ISIS are Sunni Imposters

a reply to: zysin5

You claim to be looking for the root of this issue but you only look back 200 years maybe? Why is that?

With the history Islam has, how is it possible for it to be considered a peaceful religion? Even if 90% claim to be peaceful they are just one bad day away from switching to the 10% extremist group WHO ARE ACTING LIKE THE ISLAM OF OLD. This is akin to the Fred phelps churches. Exteremeists. I'm sure there's probably been killings in the name of Christ against minorities and gays on te United States too. We deal with these people accordingly. Much like this current threat will be dealt with soon hopefully.

Logic needs to start reigning supreme. A strong sense of logic comes with a strong sense of morality by default. It's illogical to kill for silly reasons. It's illogical to make bad descisions. A strong sense of logic would bring an end to a lot of the nonsense violence because well... It just doesn't make sense. Following ancient unfounded beliefs to conflict is silly.


Another thing that comes with a strong sense of logic. Less greed. You obviously need to be able to take care of yourself but logically isn't fancifully.

How could we inspire logic into the masses? It's not a feeling so its much harder to inspire but there's gotta be a way?

ISIS “Made in USA”. Iraq “Geopolitical Arsonists” Seek to Burn Region
By Tony Cartalucci
Global Research, June 18, 2014

The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is a creation of the United States and its Persian Gulf allies, namely Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and recently added to the list, Kuwait. The Daily Beast in an article titled, “America’s Allies Are Funding ISIS,” states:

'The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), now threatening Baghdad, was funded for years by wealthy donors in Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, three U.S. allies that have dual agendas in the war on terror.'

Despite the candor of the opening sentence, the article would unravel into a myriad of lies laid to obfuscate America’s role in the creation of ISIS. The article would claim:

'The extremist group that is threatening the existence of the Iraqi state was built and grown for years with the help of elite donors from American supposed allies in the Persian Gulf region. There, the threat of Iran, Assad, and the Sunni-Shiite sectarian war trumps the U.S. goal of stability and moderation in the region.'

However, the US goal in the region was never “stability” and surely not “moderation.” As early as 2007, sources within the Pentagon and across the US intelligence community revealed a conspiracy to drown the Middle East in sectarian war, and to do so by arming and funding extremist groups including the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda itself. Published in 2007 – a full 4 years before the 2011 “Arab Spring” would begin – Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh’s New Yorker article titled, “”The Redirection: Is the Administration’s new policy benefiting our enemies in the war on terrorism?” stated specifically (emphasis added):

'To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has coöperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda.'

The 9 page, extensive report has since been vindicated many times over with revelations of US, NATO, and Persian Gulf complicity in raising armies of extremists within Libya and along Syria’s borders. ISIS itself, which is claimed to occupy a region stretching from northeastern Syria and across northern and western Iraq, has operated all along Turkey’s border with Syria, “coincidentally” where the US CIA has conducted years of “monitoring” and arming of “moderate” groups.

In fact, the US admits it has armed, funded, and equipped “moderates” to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. In a March 2013 Telegraph article titled, “US and Europe in ‘major airlift of arms to Syrian rebels through Zagreb’,” it was reported that a single program included 3,000 tons of weapons sent in 75 planeloads paid for by Saudi Arabia at the bidding of the United States. The New York Times in its article, “Arms Airlift to Syria Rebels Expands, With C.I.A. Aid,” admits that the CIA assisted Arab governments and Turkey with military aid to terrorists fighting in Syria constituting hundreds of airlifts landing in both Jordan and Turkey.

The vast scale of US, NATO, and Arab aid to terrorists fighting in Syria leaves no doubt that the conspiracy described by Hersh in 2007 was carried out in earnest, and that the reason Al Qaeda groups such as Al Nusra and ISIS displaced so-called “moderates,” was because such “moderates” never existed in any significant manner to begin with. While articles like the Daily Beast’s “America’s Allies Are Funding ISIS” now try to portray a divide between US and Persian Gulf foreign policy, from Hersh’s 2007 article and all throughout the past 3 years in Libya and Syria, the goal of raising an army in the name of Al Qaeda has been clearly shared and demonstrably pursued by both the US and its regional partners.

The plan, from the beginning, was to raise an extremist expeditionary force to trigger a regional sectarian bloodbath – a bloodbath now raging across multiple borders and set to expand further if decisive action is not taken.

Iran Must Avoid America’s “Touch of Death” and Sectarian War at All Costs

Despite an open conspiracy to drown the region in sectarian strife, the US now poses as a stakeholder in Iraq’s stability. Having armed, funded, and assisted ISIS into existence and into northern Iraq itself, the idea of America “intervening” to stop ISIS is comparable to an arsonist extinguishing his fire with more gasoline. Reviled across the region, any government – be it in Baghdad, Tehran, or Damascus – that allies itself with the US will be immediately tainted in the minds of forces forming along both sides of this artificially created but growing sectarian divide. Iran’s mere consideration of joint-operations with the US can strategically hobble any meaningful attempts on the ground to stop ISIS from establishing itself in Iraq and using Iraqi territory to launch attacks against both Tehran and Damascus.

Any Iranian assistance to Iraq should be given only under the condition that the US not intervene in any manner. Iran’s main concern should be portraying the true foreign-funded nature of ISIS, while uniting genuine Sunni and Shia’a groups together to purge what is a foreign invasion of Iraqi territory. Iran must also begin allaying fears among Iraq’s Sunni population that Tehran may try to use the current crisis to gain further influence over Baghdad.

While the US downplays the sectarian aspects of ISIS’ invasion of Iraq before global audiences, its propaganda machine across the Middle East, assisted by Doha and Riyadh, is stoking sectarian tensions. The ISIS has committed itself to a campaign of over-the-top sectarian vitriol and atrocities solely designed to trigger a wider Sunni-Shia’a conflict. That the US created ISIS and it is now in Iraq attempting to stoke a greater bloodbath with its already abhorrent invasion, is precisely why Tehran and Baghdad should take a cue from Damascus, and disassociate itself from the West, dealing with ISIS themselves.

Tony Cartalucci, Bangkok-based geopolitical researcher and writer, especially for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook”.

a reply to: EC666

Very good condensing of the real history

The thing to figure out is why?

Again back to General Clarks revealing the plot to destabilize certain Arab regimes

Also, these Arab regimes just happen to ALL be enemies of Israel…Gee what a coincidence!

All this adds up to the fact that while America must put out this flame it helped create(ISIL) many will be skeptical of its intentions.

America really won’t be happy with just extermimating it's vermon ISIL it helped create.

It will likely still try to take out Assad and actually undermine the ISIS extermination.
Or prolong it.

That’s seems to be the reason for the US stalling by Obama.

They know they can easily exterminate ISIS but then what of Syria?

Syria will benefit from that.

The original target of all of this.

They are trying to figure out a way to allay the publics desire to exterminate ISIS while at the same time stab Assad in the back.

This is like threading a needle with boxing gloves on…

One thing is for sure

Assad better beef up his bodyguard detail!

originally posted by: falloutsover
Ok maybe I'm crazy, but to me all this America is funding Isis and is covering it up seems silly. If the USA was in fact funding them and wanted to keep it secret why would the be giving them American made military hardware? If in fact they were wanting to secretly fund a terror cell or any army why wouldn't the purchase weapons through there back market channels that couldn't be linked back to the usa? It would be far easier and less likely to provide parallel Sif they supplied them with ak47s or military hardware from other countries. So why then would they supply us military hardware?

Logically it makes no sense if you want plausible deniability you source your black market deals for whatever hardware is available and provide that and then there is no link between you and the supported. Whereas you provide the supported with the same weapons and gear that you provide your troops and that provides a very strong and likely parallel. If the people in charge are as smart and secretive as most say they are I'm sure they would be able to figure this out as well.

In conclusion I will state that I find it improbable (though not impossible) that the USA is knowingly funding or supplying isis with the tools for war.

yes you are crazy?!

who will ATS blame, if the US gave them AK's, chinese and israeli made stuff?
oh yeah, the US.

the science is settled on who created ISIS.