This is ISIS. This is the truth: Exposing the bull# on ATS

The plan to destabilize the Middle East

Iraq - overthrew Saddam Hussein, secular leading that kept the area stable. Now country is in turmoil breeding new extremists.

Libya - funded the overthrow of Gaddafi who was another secular leader who kept the region stable. Now it is chaos.

Egypt - supporter the military coup of Egyptian president who fell out of good graces with west and always negotiated concession against Israel for Hamas.

Syria - we've funded the toppling of Assad, who was another secular leader who kept he region stable. Now it's chaos.

Iran - we allowed the overthrow of the Shah so that the Islamic hard liners could take over and set the president for this aforementioned strategy I linked above.

If you haven't read the link and educated yourself, please don't reply.

The bottom line is that this ISIS is all part of their (USA, British, Israel) plan to destabilize the Middle East for the following reasons. Israel gets to expand her borders. USA British get the oil and defense contracts. And all of the western civilians get their freedoms taken away in the name of security, because you're too busy being afraid of a few hundred extremists being propped up by their media.

Believe it if you want, but you are ruining our way of life.

Wake up. M

Btw, I'm typing on iPad so it sucks to type correctly.

AAC

originally posted by: hoth12
Daas, I have had my disagreements with you but I have to commend you for this thread. I think that it's clear that those opposing you in this thread have fallen over themselves unable to find any actual FACTS that confirm the US created ISIS. They fall back on half-truths and innuendo and the old "even if they didn't create it I believe that they would have". My favorite is the single unverified blog post repeated by so many on ATS that supposedly the Snowden materials confirm Mossad created ISIS. Falls in line with the whole "the holocaust didn't really happen, but we should have had it anyway". Point being - when there are no facts, fall back to what effectively is an ad hominem attack. These people will believe anything that goes along with their narrative.

You don`t see a problem with the following ?

People claim that ISIS exists because the US made it so. People claim that ISIS was created in Syria, during its civil war. People claim that the USA and UK directly and knowingly funded extreme Islamic groups in Syria. People claim that there are no moderate rebels in Syria, and that the US has been funding ISIS all along. Well guess what? All of this is bull# of the highest order.

That would imply he has proof and is proving something.

Only problem is, he sums up some facts about ISIS, but doesn`t come up with actually proof about it not being the case.

His so called proof is the non existence of proof...

...uh, so no proof = proof (yeah you read that right)

If someone murders someone but it can`t be proved in court, does that all of sudden not make him a murderer ?..of course he still is a murderer, only not by law.

I personally have a huge problem with someone trying to suggest he`s providing proof, but than actually doesn`t.

a reply to: daaskapital

So why then, are we having to deal with this misinformation? Why am i having to sit hear at the dead of night, authoring this piece to inform others of the truth surrounding the Islamist group that is ISIS? I feel it is due to an ignorance around these groups, and towards the USA in general. I know this thread has not touched on all of the bases, as it would take multiple books to even achieve such a feat. That said, i do hope that this thread has spurred at least one person to go further and conduct their own research into the overall situation.

Instead of investing your time in such matters while you sit there during the dead of night, you should instead contemplate a logical reason why the U.S invaded Iraq and disposed of Saddam Hussein in the first place....

That would be a short read if it were a book.

a reply to: daaskapital

I am not surprised that there is no evidence of any kind of relationship
between isis and the U.S. everything is done in secret!

originally posted by: daaskapital

originally posted by: CallYourBluff
So they swore allegiance to Al Qaeda who are funded by the USA and we can't blame the USA for funding ISIS?

Do you have evidence?

Why is it the application of sound critical thinking is not worthy of consideration if unsupported by concrete "evidence"? When did we lose that capacity?

Cui bono? + Occam's Razor can be very revealing!

Unfortunately, we cannot rely on what others tell us with any realistic prospect of getting at the truth. I began to realize this over 40 years ago when it became clear to me that the explanations given for most events around the world made absolutely no sense.

With all the propaganda/misinformation these days it is nearly impossible to weed through facts when you can't rely on them in the first place. It's not like any operations of the nature we are discussing are going to be clumsy enough to leave real facts or evidence around. The immense confusion created by the mostly false narratives in addition to the modern day insistence that logic need not apply makes it damned easy to fend off anyone who gets close to the truth. However, if you choose to apply a little logic, common sense, Cui Bono, Occam's Razor, and then trust your own instincts and conclusions you will arrive at a much more realistic world view than anything being spewed on the picture box.

I would only add that to sustain high levels of government funding for an over reaching military industrial complex one needs to generate a constant supply of threats. No proof, only 30 years observing the bizarre behaviour of governments and military. Soon ISIS will have WMD's or something akin to that. Leave the middle east alone, stop sticking military into places whose culture despises you and watch how they leave us alone. Ask yourself who started this garbage..... Protect and care for your own citizens and stop worrying about people in distant lands. reminds me of the crusades...

Now this is believable unlike some other threads.

originally posted by: Charlyboy
I would only add that to sustain high levels of government funding for an over reaching military industrial complex one needs to generate a constant supply of threats. No proof, only 30 years observing the bizarre behaviour of governments and military. Soon ISIS will have WMD's or something akin to that. Leave the middle east alone, stop sticking military into places whose culture despises you and watch how they leave us alone. Ask yourself who started this garbage..... Protect and care for your own citizens and stop worrying about people in distant lands. reminds me of the crusades...

crusades?

there are others who may hold the same or similar opinion...

like former US President:

Very Respectfully to the OP but as a college student who writes research papers, I know that Wikipedia is a very bad source and is not allowed as a point of DATA reference when writing.

We are only allowed to use Academic Journals with authentic research and not able to have been edited by any person who has access to the internet.

So, very respectfully, but from the viewpoint of this ATS'er, this, along with every other attempt at explaining away the ISIS threat currently, is unsubstantiated and cannot be taken seriously.

a reply to: demus

Love Mr Bush, such a worthy leader

Indeed, ISIS is an organisation opposed to everything the USA and its allies have been fighting for over the last 20 years.

The "USA" is an organization opposed to everything the USA and its allies have been fighting for over the past 100+ years...

I find it especially concerning that the all knowing CIA had no information on this "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi" guy, considering he was a known terrorist as early as 1999. In 2004, they apparently didn't even know his height/weight. Most who claimed to affiliate with him, never even met him face to face. I would deem it likely that al-Zarqawi didn't even exist, and that he was yet another boogeyman to add to the endless list of bad-guys we should be afraid of.

Stating lack of evidence as proof of your own theory is in fact not scientific at all, especially when those who have the power to hide the proof have something to lose if it were revealed.

Oh, and citing Wikipedia as your main source is like asking Mcdonalds' CEO if their food is safe for consumption.

originally posted by: daaskapital
Many argue that ISIS has been directly supported by the USA in Syria. This claim is untruthful, as the USA has intended to only fund moderate rebels, of whom are a separate entity to their Islamist counterparts. Indeed, the USA has trained and financially supported members of the FSA, and yes, it is true that many have defected to ISIS. But it is simply wrong to suggest that ISIS itself, has received any such treatment from the West. It is also incorrect to conclude that ISIS has somehow been supported by the US, simply because it now controls the Eastern region of Syria - an area recently controlled by both, the Syrian government and moderate opposition. The USA has only supported appropriately vetted rebels, and while some have defected to ISIS, it should be noted that jihadists are not considered appropriate contenders for support.

I don't have much faith in anyone being able to vet rebels and it's obvious a lot of the support is ending up in the wrong hands. We can't even stop our own citizens from going over there to fight for the ISIS or figure out which ones are returning from fighting and it would be even harder to figure out which locals have sympathies and loyalties to the ISIS in the warzones over there.

While there is no official direct support for the ISIS they wouldn't be as powerful as they are if they weren't getting a lot of support indirectly. They couldn't be taking on two nations and the moderate Syrian rebels without a significant amount of support ending up in their hands.

I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt and believe this happened by accident and there was truly a desire to only fund moderate rebels. However if the policy of funding the rebels there continues I would question the sanity of that policy given the results so far and even begin to question the intent.

Wikipedia says so so it must be true???????

Come on guys, 50 stars for parroting the MSM.

None of us know the truth but we can be sure what the MSM tells us is usually not very close to it.

And wikipedia?...ffs ats.



Im realising that here on ATS....STARS means SHILLS. We all know now that ATS if full of them and propaganda threads like this is what they love.


No attack on you OP. I enjoy a lot of your threads, just totally disagree with using wikipedia as your main link to this info. It makes me very skeptical if this is what is posted on that site.

Thanks, in my opinion you isolated an area that was not researched thoroughly on ATS and then produced a piece on it. I found it helpful. I was just hoping today that I would find some more information on the background of ISIS.

I mentioned in one thread earlier how it seemed like ISIS was a rebel group supported by the U.S. in Syria, but I didn't have the details I do now.

People don't always have the details. I appreciate you providing them, as I like being informed. I may look into this further.

originally posted by: demus

originally posted by: Charlyboy
I would only add that to sustain high levels of government funding for an over reaching military industrial complex one needs to generate a constant supply of threats. No proof, only 30 years observing the bizarre behaviour of governments and military. Soon ISIS will have WMD's or something akin to that. Leave the middle east alone, stop sticking military into places whose culture despises you and watch how they leave us alone. Ask yourself who started this garbage..... Protect and care for your own citizens and stop worrying about people in distant lands. reminds me of the crusades...

crusades?

there are others who may hold the same or similar opinion...

like former US President:

I forgot how bad GWB was in front of a camera.
If there ever was proof USA themselves had a puppet president, he is it.

My first post/reply on ATS, despite the fact that I've been enjoying the content here for years.
I have one comment to make about the ISIS appellation. The Arabic name is "Daash", which literally translates to Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant and not Syria. I do not understand why some people/media insist on calling it ISIS instead of ISIL. To me, this one letter is highly important and indicative of the organization's true intent. (Wikipedia: The Levant (/ləˈvænt/), also known as the Eastern Mediterranean, is a geographic and cultural region consisting of the "eastern Mediterranean littoral between Anatolia and Egypt".[2] The Levant today consists of the island of Cyprus, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, and part of southern Turkey (the former Aleppo Vilayet).
So, for the sake of accuracy, please stop referring to it as ISIS.

a reply to: daaskapital

You have to understand that we live in the "post-1984" era, in which there is no such thing as 'a credible source' anymore.

and OP, seriously, considering Wiki as a credible source of information is ridiculous.
Wikipedia provides vastly the same info as the bloody MSM. It's one of their tools for brainwashing, isn't it? It's easily editable, everyone reads it and it has the image of credibility, all good, huh?

We are fumbling in the web of lies and an abyss of ignorance.

After reading your replies, I would say that you are falling for the propaganda even though you are aware of the very propaganda you are falling for.

After all, we are getting oursleves into a very clumsy situation, in which the double-think occurs, so that there are two-contradictory ideas within the minds of people and they accept both of them.

Maybe they won, the misinformation, censorship and propaganda have gone too far and basically the "true truth" does not exist anymore. Maybe this is the confusion and despair they wanted all along. Divide and Conquer.
Sadly enough, I am very close to actually admit that
THE ONLY WINNING MOVE IS NOT TO PLAY.

a reply to: ArJunaBug

This is the greatest response I have ever read. Kudos, my friend.

originally posted by: Thurisaz
a reply to: daaskapital

I support what your trying to do however, there is no absolute truth regarding ISIS.

There is too much propaganda going on.

Or maybe there isn't ! And that a lot of "propoganda" is merely information that conflicts with the conspiracists belief. So the conspiracist has two choices :
A. Label the information a lie/propoganda, and allow them to continue with their mistaken belief.
B. Admit to being wrong.

AHA! well there we have it B never happens...

originally posted by: Gh0stwalker
a reply to: ArJunaBug

This is the greatest response I have ever read. Kudos, my friend.

Haha, true that..QUESTION EVERYTHING was once a sign of intelligence, now it seems like we are looking for the official evidence, not asking further questions.
"Wiki the sole and only truth" Haha, made me smile.