The Gulf Breeze Saga (Part II) : UFOs, the Gulf Breeze 6, and the End of the World

a reply to: hellboyz

God Like might not be the best source (they're not as godlike as they claim, lol), but obviously and hopefully they've got some source for their information. How credible is it, HB?
If your sources are credible, you're going great guns as to the timeline for Vance's activities vis a vis the military, etc.
I'll read them when I have a chance later.
Good sleuthing.
tetra

a reply to: tetra50

Can't b certain in their credibility. But the 2nd of the 2 post seems to b an interview with Vance years after the Gulf Breeze incident.

originally posted by: hellboyz
a reply to: tetra50

Can't b certain in their credibility. But the 2nd of the 2 links seems to b an interview with Vance years after the Gulf Breeze incident.

The second link I put up was from open minds magazine. The article appeared in 2012

Yes, @ATODASO:

as to your observations about the ouji board, and what they apparently got from it, that's really the unexplainable part.
We can't exactly find credible sources to explain this phenomena. This core, if true, is the interesting part.
And I think we can all agree, that, if true, it would be enough to have military intel people, even stringently vetted the way they are, go looking for God/Jesus, one way or the other, much less anyone else. Think about it, you start toying with this thing, not expecting anything. And suddenly, your getting info that there will be a plane wreck, an earthquake, dates, numbers of victims, etc., and then it happens, just the way you were told……

originally posted by: The GUT

........the strong runner-up is something that includes psychological operations.

Let's explore the theory that the GB6 were a psychological experiment. Did someone "collect" and assign this group together? One or two of the Bentwater guys have suggested that very M.O. That is that certain personality types were identified and sent to the base, at the same time, as test subjects for whatever the heck was going on there. One Bentwaters guy specifically stated his suspicions and reasons for feeling he was personally "culled" and assigned there for some ulterior purpose. (Excellent thread by miraeman, btw: Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

Sorry guys I'm playing catch up at the moment with this thread. Sometimes real life gets in the way!

But keep up this fascinating debate. I was only aware of the basics of the story a week or so ago. It's amazing how the thread has developed.

GUT- as regards the Rendlesham thread you quoted above. That was one hell of a task to keep it maintained with the hardened skeptics (even Mr. Ridpath himself), and even one of the guys who was on the base at the time appearing on there....

Anyway to get to the point it had been alluded to that people were placed there (Bentwaters) for a reason and there is even a document "The Role of Behavioral Science in the Physical Security Proceedings of the 5th Annual Symposium June 11-12, 1980" released via FOI which hints at experiments on personnel at a military base using various operations and technology.

The actual page where I posted the information is this one : www.abovetopsecret.com...

To be honest only GUT asked any real questions about it. No one else seemed to pay attention to it at all.

If I have a chance in the next few days I'll revisit it all to see if there is anything of relevance.

Keep up the good work chaps (and chapesses of course)

a reply to: mirageman
I remember your thread very well, Miragemen,and though I didn't comment, I read the OP,and some of the rest.
As you say, it was a time real life was getting in the way of my reading or participating. It still is, but I have elected to pay attention here, as the answers here just might affect my real life. Lol.

I will be re-reading your thread now.
tetra
eta: just on the topic of psyops, in general, and the army, this link which is pdf doc. so i can't copy and paste here:
fas.org...

So, I'm reading HB's links….and something that Gut has pointed out in his threads struck me right away:

Along with his interest in Silva Mind Control, Davis also experienced odd dreams of a psychic nature. One of his earliest memories is of a ball floating in front of him when he was a child of six or seven.

With that in his background, one might think Davis was easily predisposed to believe in and experience the paranormal aspects of UFOs and alien contact.

Seems Davis was a plasma ball experiencer…..
There does always seems to be this link, that someone involved in a story like this, military psyops or not (and I think it's important here, specifically because he was military intel, which implies at the very least psyops knowledge, if not involvement as they have their own units, separate from intel, like this one: Fourth Psychological Operations Group based at Fort Bragg, in North Carolina) is usually an experiencer or someone who has reported a UFO.
I wonder if this came up during Davis' psych evaluation to go into intel….

Because if it did, and he got through, I think it's a big clue that he was put where he was on purpose….and the extrapolation, then, would be imiplied, certainly, that this was all purposeful and part of a large psych operation, as Gut says.

Otherwise, I don't think he'd pass that psych evaluation, if he'd related the experience of seeing a plasma ball…whatcha think about that HellBoyz?
tet

I checked with some people I know about psyops programs operators. You have to b a E-4 or higher to b accepted with time already in service. Meaning you have to have been in a couple years at another job, preferably a Intel job so u already have a clearance. You put in a packet and if excepted you go thru a selection process similar to special forces or Ranger school. But rather than physical training it's more a test of will power and your grasp on certain areas of how things work. If you make the cut you are then allowed to go to school. One of the longest in the service. It's a crash course in human behavior, psychology and an other areas that are not so clear at this time. Once you r an operator they r almost always assigned to a special forces unit, delta force unit, devgruv type groups. These unit normally go in first to get a feel for the general population of the area. Part of the job is winning hearts and minds an developing relationships with high level player. Then into exploiting those relationship. The more u dig into the psyops programs the murkier it gets. Since the psyops word keeps popping up I'd figured I give a little background on the program. It's a difficult program to get into and even harder to complete . You have to b able to read people, some if which can b taught, but much of it means it has to come natural to a person. They combine serveral disciplines into 1 job. This job is intense and could actually give the wrong person all the tools to b a almost undetectable serial killer. This comes from the inside, if you look up the job description on the Army website, if it's listed at all, it is very vague. Some here knows what all this entails, some don't. So I just wanted to add this to the info we r compiling. I am a 100% disabled vet and a medically retired civil service person, I'm 46. Since this thread has started and a lot of question and some damn good info has appeared it has peaked my interest. Since I have time in my hand. One of the biggest thing is the inconsistentsies (sp) I was suppose facts we were given and how quickly it seemed to just disappeared from our minds. Nobody question it at the time, it just seemed to go away quickly. Things don't normally do that in a small Intel community were u have so many smart inquisitive people. Especially the analyst were critical thinking is one if there most important skills. The more we delve, the more inconsistent stuff seems to me. Let's keep this rolling, the more we learn, the more we are able to fit the pieces of the puzzle together for a bigger picture. I think we are actually onto something way bigger in play than it looks on the surface.

I am a 100% disabled vet and a medically retired civil service person, I'm 46. Since this thread has started and a lot of question and some damn good info has appeared it has peaked my interest. Since I have time in my hand. One of the biggest thing is the inconsistentsies (sp) I was suppose facts we were given and how quickly it seemed to just disappeared from our minds. Nobody question it at the time, it just seemed to go away quickly. Things don't normally do that in a small Intel community were u have so many smart inquisitive people. Especially the analyst were critical thinking is one if there most important skills. The more we delve, the more inconsistent stuff seems to me. Let's keep this rolling, the more we learn, the more we are able to fit the pieces of the puzzle together for a bigger picture.

This part of what you're saying, HB, really interests me. You are really a valuable asset to this thread and exploration, yourself, as you relate your experience on that base at that time.

That last link I gave fas. something or other, is a military primer for psyops, just like what you describe above.
I am now researching just the place, itself, Augsburg, which it turns out has quite an interesting history, and how it became an American Military Intelligence Base, home to the 66th Military Intelligence Brigade.

Augsburg was the home of two patrician families that rose to great prominence internationally, replacing the Medicis as Europe's leading bankers, the Fugger and the Welser families.

There was also an encampment there that was part of Auschwitz, during WWII….
I'm not trying to throw a monkey wrench in the thread, as this is interesting info from a totally different perspective--er, maybe. And maybe it's related. I will elaborate on my thoughts on that, if the thread takes that turn. But I'm not going to turn it that way, until we know more about the central issue……were Vance and maybe Beason put in place, purposefully, manipulated, as part of a psyops, involving them, but in the end, on the rest of the public, as Vance tours and talks, happily or not.
tetra

a reply to: tetra50

Yes Augsburg has a rich history as far as the Army goes. It was in Bavaria, the southern part if Germany closest to then Soviet block countries and Russia itself. I was at work when the wall seperating east and west Germany came down. We were quite busy that night tracking units being moved around. We worked at a site 20 miles outside the city proper on Gablagen (sp) kerserna. We were bused out to the site from the barracks in Sheridan kasern. There was like a cluster of little bases within a couple miles of each other. It was not a big sprawling base. It was actually quite small. The antennae array and building can still bseen using Google earth. It is now non operational. According to legend Gab was an WW2 air strip. It was flooded during the day and drained an used at night. The barracks we lived in were W2 barracks, ours was a psych hospital complete with legends of ghost and underground tunnels. It was an intesresting place without the military presence. City was very old with a wall than surrounded the original city. They withstood several sieges during medieval times.

I thought this was interesting information, relevant to motivation:

Since a time apparently in the 1970s, a number of individuals with extremely high security clearances, who were working on various aspects of the UFO phenomenon, began to interact with each other on a regular basis to pool the information each had from their highly-compartmented assignments. The objective was to coordinate data, see the big picture about UFOs and extraterrestrial contacts with Earth, and to use this privileged information pool to gain access to additional secret data, to understand the policies of the elite, hypersecret "Majestic-12" (MJ-12) UFO information-control and policy group, and to gain special influence through having this highly- privileged information.
This elite group of perhaps 14 individuals working in National Security assignments eventually gave themselves code-names, using mostly bird names. Collectively, they came to be called "The Aviary" (bird enclosure). A reader warning is in order: This affiliative network may exist as reported, or the accounts of this grouping may include disinformation generated by The Aviary themselves to obscure their membership.
The relationship of The Aviary to "MJ-12" [actually, SSG, the National Security Council's Special Studies Group] (ultimate UFO information control and policy) is murky. It is the estimate of more than one UFO researcher that there is some overlap in membership; meaning that SSG has quietly infiltrated The Aviary to keep tabs on it.
It has been reported by Dr. Michael Wolf, late of the SSG, that the MJ-12 Group is now designated as SSG, [Personal communication, 1999]. This hyper-classified group deals with the most sensitive compartmented information regarding Star Visitors, and is so covert a Special Access Program, that reportedly the President and Congress do not exercise control over SSG, and only know of its existence through indirect chsannels. www.drboylan.com...

I know everyone here knows this, and Dr. Boylan isn't exactly the best source for anything, but it doesn't hurt to repeat revealing information. So, a group like this might have lots of reasons to psyops an intel unit, and then send them into a situation that would cause a stir with the press, catching national attention.

originally posted by: hellboyz
a reply to: tetra50

Yes Augsburg has a rich history as far as the Army goes. It was in Bavaria, the southern part if Germany closest to then Soviet block countries and Russia itself. I was at work when the wall seperating east and west Germany came down. We were quite busy that night tracking units being moved around. We worked at a site 20 miles outside the city proper on Gablagen (sp) kerserna. We were bused out to the site from the barracks in Sheridan kasern. There was like a cluster of little bases within a couple miles of each other. It was not a big sprawling base. It was actually quite small. The antennae array and building can still bseen using Google earth. It is now non operational. According to legend Gab was an WW2 air strip. It was flooded during the day and drained an used at night. The barracks we lived in were W2 barracks, ours was a psych hospital complete with legends of ghost and underground tunnels. It was an intesresting place without the military presence. City was very old with a wall than surrounded the original city. They withstood several sieges during medieval times.

Yes, I was just reading much of that history. That must have been an incredible time to be there. How old were you? That's another thing that strikes me about the six, they were very young, oldest being maybe 25. Others could have been as young as 19, with top security clearances…..hmmm……

wow.

The building your talking about there, said to house to 701st, right? It closed in 2002. It was twenty miles or so from Augsburg, where you were stationed?
tet

a reply to: tetra50

I held a top secret clearance at the age of 19. I arrived in Augsburg in 88 an had just turned 20 . I was 22 when the GB6 incident took place. Most of the actual operators were 30 and under, with the older being upper enlisted or officer that pretty much run thing or admin. The field station was 20 miles from the barracks. The Army 712th, 713th and 714th mi Battalions manned the field station along with some folks from other service branches. A MP battalion provided security. . The Army battalions were part of the 701st brigade but so was the Ft Meade and most other Army Intel units. The 66th was later changed to the 701st for whatever reason. The Army likes to do that every now and then for whatever reason. Yes it is all closed now and I had some of the best times of my life there. Lots of things happened during my time there that were very historical. The wall coming down, Soviet union kinda falling apart, the Gulf war.

wow, I don't think I've encountered this problem on ATS, before.

Here, we have this thread, exploring something that happened, and someone who was there shows up. I'm sure it's happened, but not threads I've been on, so it's difficult, because I am tempted to ask this member personal questions, and it's difficult because the base you were on and your job, HB, lends itself to being part of the psyops if that's what was going on there on that base at the time.

@HB: You were very young, all of you. Malleable. From what you've said here, you dismissed this happening with the GB6, who were co-workers, even if they were in a separate "division." You said this yourself:

I am a 100% disabled vet and a medically retired civil service person, I'm 46. Since this thread has started and a lot of question and some damn good info has appeared it has peaked my interest. Since I have time in my hand. One of the biggest thing is the inconsistentsies (sp) I was suppose facts we were given and how quickly it seemed to just disappeared from our minds. Nobody question it at the time, it just seemed to go away quickly. Things don't normally do that in a small Intel community were u have so many smart inquisitive people. Especially the analyst were critical thinking is one if there most important skills. The more we delve, the more inconsistent stuff seems to me

It gets real personal at that point, despite the fact you then say, "let's keep it rolling."

What I'm getting at is the forgetting, you, yourself recognize is, well, not usual, especiallly in an environment where people are inquisitive and trained for critical thinking, almost to a hyper extent…..

On top of that, lots of historical moments passed in your tenure there.
So, it's about spurring your personal memory, and that gets sticky, because it's about digging.
tetra

a reply to: tetra50

Nearly all the feedback from other that were in FSA is the same, weirdos, crackpots, etc. Even talked to my ex which I rarely do. She actually knew some of people personally because she lived in the barracks for a while. She said the same thing as everyone else. It's like everybody just let it go quickly. I'm kinda at a lose for the moment, we all remember other things that went on, but we just blew this off. Even tho this was one of the Army's must embarrassing moments. I do know stuff with Iraq kicked off and we worked double shifts and security details. Wasn't a lot of time to think of anything

a reply to: hellboyz
You get lots of stars just for contacting your ex! LOLZ

Anyway, I stand by what I said before about it getting uncomfortable for me, because it's so personal. And I don't want to cause you any problems. If there was psyops going on there at the base with the GB6, then all of you forgetting may,in fact, be part of the psyops…..and your attitude about what happened. Extraphysical methods may have been employed on all of you, as to the forgetting, if you know what I'm saying…..

I will rely upon the "brain trust"to take over the research angle for a while…..
tet

eta: still shaking my head at top security clearances for 19 yr olds. That's got to be prime psyops right there….lol

a reply to: tetra50

I always figured that they used younger people because 1) if we went thru most of our teens without getting in trouble, we would stay out if trouble especially with their guidance and discipline. 2) we are not already set in our ways 3) we learn quicker when young, older folks normally had a harder time getting thru school.

Israel starts training pilots at 16-17 because their reflexes are much quicker and they learn faster than the older folks. Is real has some if the best fighter pilots in the world. Also one of the best Intel networks in the world, along with us.

a reply to: hellboyz
wellz hellz boyz, that was a pretty meaty post. Some of it I knew and most of the rest was fascinating and sounds reasonable as per the psyops cadre.

HB's "just the facts, m'aam" account from the Augsburg cubicles was, and is, important. Especially when contrasted with Beason's sworn statement full of woo city, and Vance Davis' various psychically infused statements--as well as the "end of the world" channelled material left behind by the GB6, so I'm sold that it's still entirely possible, arguably probable, that it is what Kandinsky listed as an "elaborate folie à deux."

On the other hand it seems pretty unanimous that there's more than enough food for thought in those extremely nagging questions that would seemingly negate the above in considering some form of manipulation here: Worldly, Other-Worldly, Or Both.

IF this is one of those cases that I'm personally convinced exist--for example; the remote viewing /SRI/Monroe Institute/MK-ULTRA Offshoots That is, one of those cases where military intelligence-meets-phenomenology-meets-psyops-meets-ufos-meets-weird science.

I was glad to see cuckooold bringing some great stuff by Jack Brewer at The UFO Trail. Mr. Brewer is quite impressive in logic, intellect, and fact-filled research.

I highly recommend the following article by Jack to everyone here. It definitely builds up and most probably sheds light on some the "mysteries" we come to know in ufology.

Psy Ops and Mind Control: Then, Now and the UFO Community

In the following piece, Brewer & Jeff Ritzman toss some intriguing ideas around. I didn't know that Jeff knew so much about "MKUFOs."

As Ritzmann explained, there are actually many reasons the intelligence community might take an interest in manipulating circumstances and reports surrounding public perception of UFOs. Those reasons include but are by no means limited to:

- Leading global adversaries to fear extraordinary "UFOs" are actually advanced exotic US aircraft and weapons of which they are defenseless.

- Leading adversaries to fear UFOs may actually be alien spacecraft, of which any number of concerns should arise, including US officials have reverse engineered aspects of the craft and/or collaborated with the occupants to receive access to advanced technology.

- Leading adversaries to frustratingly conclude they have become confused about UFOs to the point of accepting they have virtually no idea what is flying around, who flies it or what its capabilities may be (not entirely unlike many members of the UFO community).

- Meme creation and tracking, which have been repeatedly demonstrated by agencies such as the USAF and DARPA to be prioritized and valued for psychological warfare reasons ranging from spreading dissent to manipulating superstitions.

- The use of public perception of the UFO phenomenon as cover for classified operations that have nothing to do with unexplained aerial phenomena, extraterrestrial life or anything of the kind. 

Many more reasons could be listed with citations of confirmed examples.

Exploring the UFO Cover Up

This one rounds out the above two nicely and has some interesting documentation:

Flying Saucers as CIA Distractions

Definitly a site worth digging deeply into. Clicky around…you will probably find yourself immersed...

a reply to: The GUT

I figured after I put the info about what it was like at ground zero, we could work from there. There seemed to b lots of info from 1 aspect, but not from where the GB6 originated. Figured I could add that and we could follow the breadcrumbs from beginning to end. There has been very good contributed by all and very good questions asked. The psyops, mind control, and paranormal stuff is where all the real mysteries lay and where most of the ??'s start. It's all really interesting, especially for me having been at the FSA. It is kinda of funny that such a big, embarrassing incident for Army Intel went on and how quickly it seemed to disappear. Gut, the site you out up have a tremendous amount of info to try and absorb. I definitely going to explore it more thoroughly. Thanks all, this has been fun and intriguing. I'm looking forward to participating in the brain trust in this thread and others. I'm sorry about some of the misspelling and grammar mistakes, the auto correct in my phone has a mind of its own sometimes. Sometimes it is because my mind is flying faster than I can peck in the keyboard.