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originally posted by: Aural
Thats still considered Bisexual, Chester. Bisexual doesn't mean you're going to enter a polygamous marriage. Although I do think its possible for a persons sexuality to change to some degree through various reasons but its not commonly a choice. Heck you cant even choose what food you like and don't like. There are various biological differences between homosexuals and heterosexuals.
a reply to: beezzer
That is not discrimination. An object does not have rights. A person does. That's no different than saying its discrimination that people are not allowed to smoke in fire work shops or near gas tanks. The cigarette is the object. Does it mean smokers cant be there? No it means you cant smoke there. So bringing a gun somewhere can be forbidden but it doesnt mean gun owners are not allowed.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
Navydoc, I know we have a standard non-interaction pact, but I want to ask you one question, and I won't respond to your answer at all:
As a medical professional, do you believe that sexual orientation is the result of a constellation of organic and societal factors or is it simply a personal choice?
EDIT Bold text added in edit at 5:39 PM.
originally posted by: SearchLightsInc
originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein
originally posted by: SearchLightsInc
Does it say anything about human society that we are still debating our rights to discriminate against others based on the fact that we dont like/accept who they are?
Anyone who is retarded enough to refuse service based on your skin colour, sexual orientation and gender shouldn't own a business in the first place, you're clearly in it for the wrong reasons.
That is NOT the point! It doesn't matter the reason....My point is if you own it, who is anyone to tell you who you can't serve? The right or wrong reasons excluded...
The reason is simply this:
No Blacks.
No Dogs.
No Irish.
There are to many stupid and bigoted people in the world, the majority cannot trust the few A**hole business owner's to conduct themselves in a respectful and and meaningful manner.
We've had societies where business have been able to refuse service for whatever reason. It didnt work out. That's why laws were passed.
Did you know that after Muhammed Ali won the olympic gold he was given key to his city and STILL refused service at a restaurant because he was black???
We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Thomas Jefferson
originally posted by: lonweld
Isn't this the same discrimination that everyone fought against last century? Refusing someone because of their skin, their religion, or their sex preference is wrong! If you choose to open a business, you choose to accept regulations pertaining to your industry. On the other hand, A lesbian or a latino cannot choose who they are, yet you want to punish them by denying their right of equality. So i assume you think the business has the right to discriminate in their hiring of employees? or an apartment manager has the right to refuse minorities?
Thomas Jefferson summed it up well:
We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Thomas Jefferson
It's been my experience that most people who would deny another person in this manner are white supremacists. Even if that is not the case with anyone here, it is easy to see that you think you are better then some group of people (supreme) and you should be able to treat them how you please.
originally posted by: lonweld
a reply to: NavyDoc
You've never been discriminated against I take it. For people who have never been told "you can't come in here because...", it's really easy to say "so what, I will just shop somewhere else!" But it is a whole different matter for those who have been turned away. Try walking a mile in our shoes, then perhaps you would have a different opinion.
Here is an interesting study I found a while back. It's from Stanford, and it tries to explain exactly why discrimination is wrong- though I doubt you or anyone else will bother reading it.
plato.stanford.edu...
originally posted by: lonweld
Isn't this the same discrimination that everyone fought against last century? Refusing someone because of their skin, their religion, or their sex preference is wrong! If you choose to open a business, you choose to accept regulations pertaining to your industry. On the other hand, A lesbian or a latino cannot choose who they are, yet you want to punish them by denying their right of equality. So i assume you think the business has the right to discriminate in their hiring of employees? or an apartment manager has the right to refuse minorities?
Thomas Jefferson summed it up well:
We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Thomas Jefferson
It's been my experience that most people who would deny another person in this manner are white supremacists. Even if that is not the case with anyone here, it is easy to see that you think you are better then some group of people (supreme) and you should be able to treat them how you please.
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: SearchLightsInc
yes but if all the non-bigoted people would see that "no whatever sign" and read a "no not me" sign I bet the signs would soon go away! as far as I am concerned if you don't want the gays or the blacks or whatever you probably don't want me either because I'll just tell you to your face what I think about your sign!
Report: After WH Meets with Big Biz, Obama May Use Exec Actions to Increase Guest-Worker Visas
This may come on top of Obama's potential grants of amnesty and work permits to millions of illegal immigrants in the country. While outside groups are urging Obama to "go big," Senate Democrats have expressed some concerns of late, as poll numbers have shown that executive amnesty may cost them control of the Senate. The White House is reportedly reaching out to big-business groups on guest-worker visas so they can give Obama air cover on his potential executive amnesty.
According to a Politico report, senior White House aides earlier this month met with "more than a dozen business groups and company officials to discuss potential immigration policy changes they could make." According to the outlet, "Oracle, Cisco, Fwd.US, Microsoft, Accenture, Compete America, and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce" were represented at the meeting.
Cisco recently slashed another 6,000 jobs after pushing for amnesty legislation. Microsoft announced it would lay off 18,000 American workers a week after its former CEO Bill Gates called for an unlimited number of certain guest-worker visas in a New York Times op-ed. And the Chamber of Commerce has vowed to spend $50 million for amnesty legislation and more guest-worker visas.
ThroneOfBlood camp50 • 2 days ago The problem is that the TwoFace-book Zuckerbergs of the world are willing to have all 30 million illegals amnestied in order to keep the H1B guest worker gravy train going. The H1B's are a great racket, you pay sup par below American standard wages and if they indentured servants complain you have them sent home. 193 • Reply • Share › Avatar andrewwhitehead ThroneOfBlood • a day ago I worked in an Adult Community as a Security Officer. The owners brought in Filipino nurses, had them trained by the American staff, then fired all the Americans except for the Charge Nurses for shifts. Why? Filipino nurses work for a third of the wages and get zero benefits. And if the Filipino nurses complain? One call to immigration and they are on the next plane back to the Philippines. Big business loves these indentured servants. They can't move to another company, complain about working conditions or pay and you can throw them away at anytime.
Empathy is developed by watching the effect certain behavior has on people and being told by brave people that they think certain behavior is not acceptable while demonstrating themselves a different way.
originally posted by: dawnstar
For some reason when I read statements like yours that is the impression I always get.
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: SearchLightsInc
yes but if all the non-bigoted people would see that "no whatever sign" and read a "no not me" sign I bet the signs would soon go away! as far as I am concerned if you don't want the gays or the blacks or whatever you probably don't want me either because I'll just tell you to your face what I think about your sign!
originally posted by: GetOutOfMyLight
What you want... is to PRETEND that those who *aren't* equal...