Dressed for war- ferguson police

a reply to: subtopia

You know, I am piqued to reply to you bc I always sympathize/empathize with the LEOs…..I really do.
Let's take what I know about this case: teenager over 6 ft., going for gun of patrolman….patrolman reacts, teen runs, hands up when told to freeze, LEO shoots….
Again, THIS IS WHAT I'VE READ

I sympathize totally with the law enforcement officer. To a LEO, there is no greater threat than a civilian trying to disarm him/her. No greater threat. Add to that 6 + feet, and you've got quite a situation. I don't think I need to extrapolate, nor describe that any more than that. What you gonna do, as a LEO, really? Shoot to wound, not to kill; approach that kid, much bigger than you, and hope to disarm him when he already tried to disarm you, and then where are you: dead. Understand, I understand, totally.

It's not simple, really, at all. Having described that situation, and my understanding of it, we are living in strange, difficult times, and we all know that. Seriously. The population of that particular township vis a vis the established council, city council, is out of whack, obviously. The township is 97% African American; the council is all white. This is a no brainer, obvious, trouble making situation. We know that through experience. The township's population must be represented by the populous, or all hell will break loose, eventually, because…..the people deployed to keep the peace, i.e., the LEOS, will face obstinate odds which aren't in their favor, every friggin day, and this situation is bound to erupt out of that….

having described that, this is a lesson in what will be in Amerika, where the constitution is a convenience, only, and that's why members such as I pay attention and hang in there with fortitude, and forethought, wondering what will be down the line in our own communities, when the NDAA encapsulates a member of our community who spoke too loud or too vehemently about the latest political or war like movement….and all hell breaks loose.
see what I mean?

It's a recipe for disaster,we are all waiting to erupt, and wondering what we will do then…..
will our soldiers, via the National Guard fire upon us? Will the local law enforcement give it away to the soldiers, when they do so?

Some of us lived through Hurricane Katrina and know what it's like when money doesn't mean anything, and there is nothing to save you, and there are unmarked, SUVs with armed men inside, randomly deciding you are good guys or bad…..

It's a whole other world, then…..
tetra

a reply to: scghst1

thanks. I always forget about uCast until a situation like this, Watertown, Bundy, etc pops up. a lot more active than the EMS feed.

I will never understand the destruction of your own neighbourhood as a protest, but the law isn't doing itself any favours by dressing like that. Surely one day soon it won't just be the usual suspect tearing the place up but all of us as well?

I'm still amazed at what happened after the bombs in Boston, people bending over and taking it good and hard from military-style 'police'.

a reply to: Thefarmer

Give it a couple of years and we'll (UK) be there too. Openly armed police in GB, never thought i would see it in my lifetime, i accept airports and the like but at an argument at MC D's???? really?

Police

Here's some more you tube if it's block for some reason over there.

I think a lot of people are making comments about the world in which they want to live in rather than the reality in which they actually live in. The LEO'S live in the actual real world every time they put on that uniform.

The very people they protect will lie to them, beat them, steal their guns and shoot them. Give them a break.

Yes there are some bad apples but I dot see that all ATS members are angels either.

I find it ironic that no one can say a bad word about an American soldier yet the American police aren't given the same respect when they are tasked, put into action, called do do things they normally wouldn't do as an average citizen, BY THE VERY SAME TPTB.

Heading to bed. I pray for all the wounded and the safe return of them to their familes and homes. Thanks to all who stayed up with me

Cheers!

For anyone that hasn't seen this yet:



Dude is throwing a lit tear gas canister back from where it came.

a reply to: tetra50

I don't know about you but I just don't buy that "he went for the officers gun" BS. For one thing that is just the LEO's side of the story when the other side is completely different. So right there you know one of them is just a lie. But here's the thing, who the F*ck tries grabbing an officers gun when they're in the car??? How does that even make sense. Dude is a Big Boy standing 6 foot plus and he's just going to reach in the window all slick like and snag a gun off an officers belt as he's in the car still??? No way in hell.

Kid is 2 days from going to college. With his buddy, staying with his Grandma and just down the street from where they live. How does that make sense??? Where would he go??? Why would he even think about doing something like that??? There is no way in hell that happened and yet since day one the Chief has been saying that is what happened. Even before the investigation or anything has taken place.

I don't buy it. It's ridiculous!!!

a reply to: mOjOm

I posted earlier I don't buy that version of how it went down either. I have a bad gut feeling when his family does get to see his body and the autopsy report, all hell will break loose. I've heard rumors that Brown was shot many times in the back, about 35 ft. away from the cop car.

It will be interesting to see if the FBI takes over this investigation due to the police dept already dropping the ball by taking NO witness reports.

Des

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: tetra50

I don't know about you but I just don't buy that "he went for the officers gun" BS. For one thing that is just the LEO's side of the story when the other side is completely different. So right there you know one of them is just a lie. But here's the thing, who the F*ck tries grabbing an officers gun when they're in the car??? How does that even make sense. Dude is a Big Boy standing 6 foot plus and he's just going to reach in the window all slick like and snag a gun off an officers belt as he's in the car still??? No way in hell.

Kid is 2 days from going to college. With his buddy, staying with his Grandma and just down the street from where they live. How does that make sense??? Where would he go??? Why would he even think about doing something like that??? There is no way in hell that happened and yet since day one the Chief has been saying that is what happened. Even before the investigation or anything has taken place.

I don't buy it. It's ridiculous!!!

It's equally ridiculous to think the cop just jumped out and shot him for walking down the street.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: tetra50

I don't know about you but I just don't buy that "he went for the officers gun" BS. For one thing that is just the LEO's side of the story when the other side is completely different. So right there you know one of them is just a lie. But here's the thing, who the F*ck tries grabbing an officers gun when they're in the car??? How does that even make sense. Dude is a Big Boy standing 6 foot plus and he's just going to reach in the window all slick like and snag a gun off an officers belt as he's in the car still??? No way in hell.

Kid is 2 days from going to college. With his buddy, staying with his Grandma and just down the street from where they live. How does that make sense??? Where would he go??? Why would he even think about doing something like that??? There is no way in hell that happened and yet since day one the Chief has been saying that is what happened. Even before the investigation or anything has taken place.

I don't buy it. It's ridiculous!!!

Yeah. I hear ya. But I had to type that out, and get us all on the same page about what the "story" is….
That's the thing….this is the story, and what we've been given to deal with. So here we are. Do we believe that or not?
I gotta say, for my part, if that is what happened, then I do understand the LEO's reaction, not that I think it was the right action. You can always shoot to wound, not to kill. Just stop the agressor, sort of thing.

But do we even buy that as the story? I see many of us don't. I really don't, either. But it's what we have to work with. Bottom line: a teenage, unarmed, was shot in the back. I would like to believe in the best motivations of law enforcement, dealing with that,and so will give them benefit of a doubt, having said all I have before now, as to the situation in the community being out of balance…
But…..

No, I'm not buying it, either. I think this "version" is just a version that suits the LEOs the best in an inflammable situation…
tetra

a reply to: BanTv

Its also equally ridiculous to think that police in the USA would shoot peoples pets because they just happened to be there when the LEO turned up and he was worried for his safety. It, apparently, happens. Just saying

a reply to: BanTv

Hardly. That is a poorly trained LEO's bread and butter. Instead of giving chase they fire their weapon out of pure rage and laziness.

I have seem a video of a cop gunning a man down as he descended a staircase in an attempt to escape. The cop was at least 25 ft away and shot him in in the back. Then the man was filmed at the bottom of the staircase bleeding out for about 6 minutes before a single cop even made it down there.

It was on a boardwalk somewhere - I am sure some members know the video in question.

It happens. Enjoy your ignorance.

originally posted by: Destinyone
a reply to: mOjOm

I posted earlier I don't buy that version of how it went down either. I have a bad gut feeling when his family does get to see his body and the autopsy report, all hell will break loose. I've heard rumors that Brown was shot many times in the back, about 35 ft. away from the cop car.

It will be interesting to see if the FBI takes over this investigation due to the police dept already dropping the ball by taking NO witness reports.

Des

and you're right on with that, Des. that's just fuel to the fire, imo, and others as well. If there's nothing to hide, then why keep his body from his relatives? It does nothing but add that fuel. More than one shot to the back, wtf?
that's their publicity problem, evidently, and their reaction to this makes it hard to not consider it otherwise…
tet

originally posted by: Thefarmer

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

Twitter user Antonio French just tweeted this:
A line of police cars with high beams on greets anyone trying to enter #Ferguson. It's shut down. No media allowed.

So anything could go down and the gen public would be none the wiser

infowars has reporters in town reporting this, tune in.

originally posted by: BanTv

It's equally ridiculous to think the cop just jumped out and shot him for walking down the street.

You're right. But nobody is claiming that he just shot them for walking down the street either. Here's the story that seems to be being told so far:

Brown was spending the summer in the neighborhood with his grandmother Desuirea Harris, she told CNN affiliate KMOV. She described him as "a good kid." Family members say he was a recent graduate of nearby Normandy High School and was going to begin classes at Vatterott College on Monday. Brown and a friend were walking to Harris' house, his mother and grandmother said, when a Ferguson police officer confronted them.

So far both sides agree with that. Now is when the story goes in different directions. This is according to the friend he was walking with.

Dorian Johnson, 22, told CNN that he and Brown were walking in the middle of the street when a white male officer pulled up and told them, "Get the f*** on the sidewalk." The young men replied that they were "not but a minute away from our destination, and we would shortly be out of the street," Johnson said. The officer drove forward but stopped and backed up, almost hitting the pair, Johnson said.

"We were so close, almost inches away, that when he tried to open his door aggressively, the door ricocheted both off me and Big Mike's body and closed back on the officer," Johnson said. Still in his car, the officer then grabbed Brown by his neck, Johnson said. Brown tried to pull away, but the officer kept pulling Brown toward him, he said.

The officer drew his weapon, and "he said, 'I'll shoot you' or 'I'm going to shoot' " and almost instantaneously fired his weapon, hitting Brown, Johnson said.

Johnson and a bloodied Brown took off running, and Johnson hid behind the first car he saw, he said. The officer got out of his car.

"I saw the officer proceeding after my friend Big Mike with his gun drawn, and he fired a second shot and that struck my friend Big Mike," Johnson told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "And at that time, he turned around with his hands up, beginning to tell the officer that he was unarmed and to tell him to stop shooting. But at that time, the officer firing several more shots into my friend, and he hit the ground and died."

Now here is the LEO's side of the story so far.

Without revealing what led to the dispute, Belmar said the preliminary investigation showed that the Ferguson officer tried to exit his vehicle, but Brown pushed him back into the car," where he physically assaulted the police officer" and struggled over the officer's weapon, Belmar said.

A shot was fired inside the police car, and Brown was eventually shot about 35 feet away from the vehicle, Belmar said. It's unclear how many times Brown was shot. Johnson said it was more than three, and Brown's mother said she was told he was shot eight times. Some witnesses said they heard as many as 10 shots. Belmar said only that it "was more than just a couple."

The chief didn't explain how Brown got so far away from the car or whether he was surrendering. He said he was declining to disclose certain details because he didn't want to "prejudice" the case.

Read it a few times and just think about it some...The Bold is mine to point out some interesting points.

a reply to: corblimeyguvnor

We already have openly armed police in the UK, they are called Firearms Officers, there aren't many of them, but they do exist. They respond to situations where weapons might be, or are reported to be present.

i.dailymail.co.uk...

a reply to: tetra50

I saw an interview with the Police Chief today. He claimed Brown was shot once in the front when he reached into the driver's side window and tried to take the cop's gun ( I don't believe that). But refused to address the issue of shooting in the back. he would only say it's under investigation, the whole incident.

Add to the above. Brown has a squeaky clean record. Even through school. Never in any trouble before. Heading to college in 2 days. Why in the hell would he try to grab a cops gun, while the cop was sitting in his car. Makes no sense.

Des

So those of you who feel the police are in the right on this - I have a simple question for you.

Why the media lockout? Why the Morse code on scanners? Why the hell is twitter attempting to censor feeds? Why do we see no MSM coverage of this?

Id love an intelligent answer which makes some sense from one of you. But there is not one.

We are witnessing the police state and media censorship come to fruition before our very eyes.

The general public will never even know these riots happened. Those of you supporting this make me sick.

Okay, that's my first read on what really went down, from both points of view, obviously differing much.
Either way, the officer was in charge of the situation, and either way, he didn't have deadly force to go up against, in my humble estimation….

and this is the truth of the situation, an officer facing deadly force…which will justify him/her responding to "deadly force."

enough said, for me at least.

The kid was shot in the friggin back. That was enough for me, right there, truth be told.

These are the times we are living in. This is the rule of the street. If I was a black woman, raising a son, I don't truthfully know what I would do, in this country, for you can do everything right, your kid can do everything right, and if the cops don't get him eventually, then his brethren will, eventually. It makes me want to weep…..
every single day

And i have to say, I totally understand a riot out of that sentiment…..and frustration.
tet