Ebola Patient in Atlanta Hospital

a reply to: violet

Ebola is not going to jump off the plane and infect everyone in one day.

originally posted by: MrLimpet

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: Destinyone

there really isn't a *firm* answer on exactly how ebola is transmitted and the time frames involved.

Yes there is...there are actually very firm answers on this.

Ebola has been researched extensively, and despite what you and others who have no medical experience say, there are firm answers on transmission.

Can you please provide us with the very firm answers on this.

Links would be quite helpful if it's possible for you to provide.

BTW ~ What is your medical experience with this virus? Have you had the opportunity to work with Ebola patients in the past?

Here are your firm answers.

www.who.int...
www.webmd.com...

And I don't pretend to be a medical expert...that is why I use trusted sources to get my facts instead of baseless speculation.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: 00nunya00

I hate to say it but medical training in Africa is not on par with medical training in the west.
As for nurseing staff? Training is non existant, its what you pick up on the job.

Im not saying they are dumb but when your country cant even afford basic clean water, how do you expect them to fund a world leading university? They cant, and the shortage of modern equipment will make hands of experiance in teaching hospitals poor at best.

Its why doctors volenteering from the west are so valuble.



There is a reason why the best med schools in the world are in the USA and UK and most world leading doctors are American , British or western European. We have some of the most ridgid and strict medical programs .

Okay, y'all do know that not every square inch of Africa is a $#!thole, right? Doctors Without Borders volunteers largely in very remote areas where people couldn't even get to a hospital if they wanted to. They treat people who have no money for medical treatment. Hospitals in Africa are not ramshackle huts operated by morons. In fact, many many doctors in Africa actually studied in Europe and the US. Beyond all that, they know how to freaking spot the signs of Ebola, and know better than any of us the threat it poses to them. YES, hospitals in Africa have gloves and masks. Do they have CT-scan machines in every room? Of course not. But y'all are treating this issue as if it's totally logical that the entire hospital should expect to get ebola, because they're a bunch of undertrained and resource-starved morons. Enough. If you have any evidence that this hospital (or any other hospital you're speaking of in Africa) is shoddy and half-baked, please present it. Let's not all be racists and ignorant xenophobes and assume every single doctor and hospital in Africa is begging for Ebola because they "just don't know any better." THEY DO. THEY KNOW BETTER THAN ANY OF YOU, BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY LIVE AND WORK THERE. No more dismissing facts based on skin color or geographic location, please.

ETA: sorry if I seem to be picking on you, ewok, I'm really not, it's just the entire thread's tone of "Africa is a slum, no wonder they all got this." And that's just wrong, in so many ways.


Edit again: There is absolutely nursing school and licensing in Africa.

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: MrLimpet

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: Destinyone

there really isn't a *firm* answer on exactly how ebola is transmitted and the time frames involved.

Yes there is...there are actually very firm answers on this.

Ebola has been researched extensively, and despite what you and others who have no medical experience say, there are firm answers on transmission.

Can you please provide us with the very firm answers on this.

Links would be quite helpful if it's possible for you to provide.

BTW ~ What is your medical experience with this virus? Have you had the opportunity to work with Ebola patients in the past?

Here are your firm answers.

www.who.int...
www.webmd.com...

And I don't pretend to be a medical expert...that is why I use trusted sources to get my facts instead of baseless speculation.

Those are YOUR limited firm answers in an ever changing ebola situation. Leave the rest of us to happily flounder in our ongoing research and discussion. How about that..huh?

Des

a reply to: kruphix

Thanks for the links. However, there are many other credible sources on this thread that have a different opinion.

100% accuracy/proof from any source has yet to be determined. Much isn't known about this virus yet. We are all trying to learn as much as we can at this point.

That's why we are here. To learn and be nice to others while learning.
"hint, hint"

a reply to: kruphix

This outbreak is unprecedented, so citing WEBMD as the end-all be-all of Ebola information is quite naive. Never before has this disease killed so many, and spread so fast. It is also the first time it has hit a major urban area (Lagos). There are a lot of firsts here, and I think the west is showing a lot of hubris with the laze-faire attitude of "it can't happen here".

Did I miss some link you posted other than natural news and wnd about how it is transmitted??? CDC, WHO and UN are unwaivering on how it is transmitted. If I missed a valid scientific link please point it out. I've read this entire thread and must have overlooked it...,

a reply to: Destinyone

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: Destinyone

there really isn't a *firm* answer on exactly how ebola is transmitted and the time frames involved.

Yes there is...there are actually very firm answers on this.

Ebola has been researched extensively, and despite what you and others who have no medical experience say, there are firm answers on transmission.

[snip] The bottom line is this:

Regardless of whose idea it was, it was a TERRIBLE idea and a HUGE risk to take to transport such a horrible virus as EBOLA into the US, a country that does not have a wild case of the disease. I'm not a virologist or a doctor either, but I do have COMMON SENSE. I'm 99.999% sure that they broke every rule in the book in choosing to take the risk to bring these people over here. I think heads should roll because of this decision. IT'S ABSOLUTELY MORONIC AND DEFIES LOGIC!

Regardless of how it spreads or "what strain" this is, the risk was taken with the possibility of a multitude of deaths in the US, a country that did not have that risk before they were brought here on purpose, likely for financial gain.

I'm so sick of armchair warriors and keyboard cowboys who think they know it all and come in here and start animosity among a group of people looking for answers.

[snip]

While some are saying it is all a scam to get money for the "vaccine" but it looks like the makers of the tests for this illness are the big winners in the short run. Every city with an airport receiving passengers from abroad will need to stock up won't they?

originally posted by: Destinyone

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: MrLimpet

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: Destinyone

there really isn't a *firm* answer on exactly how ebola is transmitted and the time frames involved.

Yes there is...there are actually very firm answers on this.

Ebola has been researched extensively, and despite what you and others who have no medical experience say, there are firm answers on transmission.

Can you please provide us with the very firm answers on this.

Links would be quite helpful if it's possible for you to provide.

BTW ~ What is your medical experience with this virus? Have you had the opportunity to work with Ebola patients in the past?

Here are your firm answers.

www.who.int...
www.webmd.com...

And I don't pretend to be a medical expert...that is why I use trusted sources to get my facts instead of baseless speculation.

Those are YOUR limited firm answers in an ever changing ebola situation. Leave the rest of us to happily flounder in our ongoing research and discussion. How about that..huh?

Des

How is Ebola ever changing? How is this situation any different than all the other Ebola outbreaks besides the fact that it is in a more densely populated area, thus higher numbers?

Please give me one single fact your "research" has proven that the contradict the official sources.

originally posted by: MrLimpet
a reply to: kruphix

Thanks for the links. However, there are many other credible sources on this thread that have a different opinion.

Please share those "credible sources" that differ with my sources that are more credible than WHO or CDC.

I'm very interested what is considered a "credible source" that differs with the WHO.

originally posted by: DirtyD
a reply to: kruphix

This outbreak is unprecedented, so citing WEBMD as the end-all be-all of Ebola information is quite naive. Never before has this disease killed so many, and spread so fast. It is also the first time it has hit a major urban area (Lagos). There are a lot of firsts here, and I think the west is showing a lot of hubris with the laze-faire attitude of "it can't happen here".

I linked WHO and WebMD...do you have a better source of information?

There is one difference in this outbreak and that is population...that is all. The difference isn't the super mutated airborn strain that some are trying to suggest.

But I'd love to see your sources that give better information on Ebola.

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The topic is Ebola Patient in Atlanta Hospital.

a reply to: LrdRedhawk

Regardless of whose idea it was, it was a TERRIBLE idea and a HUGE risk to take to transport such a horrible virus as EBOLA into the US, a country that does not have a wild case of the disease. I'm not a virologist or a doctor either, but I do have COMMON SENSE. I'm 99.999% sure that they broke every rule in the book in choosing to take the risk to bring these people over here. I think heads should roll because of this decision. IT'S ABSOLUTELY MORONIC AND DEFIES LOGIC!

It doesn't seem like a huge risk to me. They know what they are dealing with and they are taking precautions. Ebola has been in US labs for years...doesn't seem like it has been a problem.

What exactly do you think is going to happen?

Raw video from AP.

Here's more information I found about the jet that brought them to Atlanta.

This Amazing Jet Will Transport Ebola Victims From Africa To The U.S.

It's a GIII, with a range of 5,070 miles (4,410 nautical miles) with maximum fuel and reserves, but wen flying at its top cruise speed, it can fly 3,330 miles (2,900 nautical miles) nonstop.

It is Distance is 8107 kilometers or 5038 miles or 4378 nautical miles from Liberia to Atlanta.

So I guess it makes sense it had to stop to refuel in Maine?

However, the distance from Libera to Maine? That's 7079 kilometers or 4399 miles or 3822 nautical miles.

Does it still make sense? I dunno. Maybe Zaphod's already been here?

Aside from all this, doesn't it look to you as if it can fit two patients? So why did they bring them one at a time?

Flight from Abu Dhabi to JFK held after infant starts spitting up blood.

They're saying it was just dehydration, but damn......that's some serious dehydration. Never heard of spitting up blood as a sign of it. :/