Ebola Patient in Atlanta Hospital

a reply to: kruphix

Here.

originally posted by: loam
a reply to: starfoxxx

Actually, today they were very clear that the primary purpose for bringing Brantly and Writebol was for the research opportunity. Otherwise the supportive care they would get here is the SAME they would have gotten over there.

Do you trust these nut jobs... MAINSTREAM NEWS now

The Ebola outbreak concentrated in West Africa is “out of control,” and the international community has no organized plan to address it, a global health expert said Tuesday.

They can't control it their, how in the world can they control it here..

The people are being used as a science experiment, guinea pigs for big pharma
and the cdc..

They are insane, i dont trust them one bit.
no big deal
www.huffingtonpost.com...


All this at the expense of the American population..
No common sense to bring these people here..

originally posted by: loam
a reply to: kruphix

Here.

Yep, that says nothing about a new strain.

Congrats on the misinformation and talking about things you don't understand.

originally posted by: loam
a reply to: starfoxxx

Actually, today they were very clear that the primary purpose for bringing Brantly and Writebol was for the research opportunity. Otherwise the supportive care they would get here is the SAME they would have gotten over there.

Exactly Loam. It was being discussed by a panel on FOX cable. Actually, between the 5 people on the on panel, it sounded very much like the posts in this thread. Even to the point of questioning the reasons for bringing the Dr. and his nurse to Emory. It was said the CDC has admitted they are here for study to help find a cure for ebola. One Dr. interviewed said the pharma companies have not seen a profit margin to make it worth their while to research ebola, so now it's up to the few who have been researching it to do something about it. The pharma companies need a much larger base of patient need to get involved.

I was pleased to see a lot of time spent on the fact...there really isn't a *firm* answer on exactly how ebola is transmitted and the time frames involved. A good amount of time was spent on airline travel being the unknown factor now in how fast it can spread to previously ebola free zones. In past outbreaks of ebola, it's burned it's self out in regions where the population was not traveling. Now, it's hit people using mass transportation between Countries...whole new ball of wax to deal this.

Des

a reply to: Destinyone

there really isn't a *firm* answer on exactly how ebola is transmitted and the time frames involved.

Yes there is...there are actually very firm answers on this.

Ebola has been researched extensively, and despite what you and others who have no medical experience say, there are firm answers on transmission.

a reply to: kruphix

Who said it was a new strain?

Quick making accusations you can't support.

a reply to: loam

Dang. Loam. Never delivered why. And I'm also still not over this one, for those who didn't see this yet.


There is a thread on ATS I posted the link to it earlier. Real or no? Just a slip?

a reply to: kruphix

Well, let's see what the CDC says:

Transmission

Because the natural reservoir of ebolaviruses has not yet been proven, the manner in which the virus first appears in a human at the start of an outbreak is unknown. However, researchers have hypothesized that the first patient becomes infected through contact with an infected animal.

When an infection does occur in humans, there are several ways in which the virus can be transmitted to others. These include:

-- direct contact with the blood or secretions of an infected person

-- exposure to objects (such as needles) that have been contaminated with infected secretions

The viruses that cause Ebola HF are often spread through families and friends because they come in close contact with infectious secretions when caring for ill persons.

During outbreaks of Ebola HF, the disease can spread quickly within health care settings (such as a clinic or hospital). Exposure to ebolaviruses can occur in health care settings where hospital staff are not wearing appropriate protective equipment, such as masks, gowns, and gloves.

originally posted by: loam
a reply to: kruphix

Who said it was a new strain?

Quick making accusations you can't support.

LOL.

This is exactly what I'm talking about...you guys are throwing around terms like "variant", saying this "variant" is radically different and plays by different rules...then say "well we didn't say a new strain".

It's just complete bs.

a reply to: kruphix

Why Aren’t Previously Successful Methods Used to Stop Ebola Working Against This New Strain?

Making assumptions about the newest outbreak of a virus notorious for mutating may be ill-advised, WHO head Margaret Chan warned in a speech planned for delivery to the Presidents of Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone, “Constant mutation and adaptation are the survival mechanisms of viruses and other microbe,” Chan said. “We must not give this virus opportunities to deliver more surprises.”

Was this posted yet? I'm catching up.

ETA: Sounds like it was from that same deleted transcript speech? "...planned for delivery." And not delivered...for some reason.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

I'm inclined to say she misspoke.

But since learning about Brantly and Writebol being possibly infected by another healthcare worker, maybe THEY were attacked by that healthcare worker. After reading Sawyers story, it doesn't sound impossible.

Maybe that person was one of the workers who were very afraid of the outbreak. When they became infected, they freaked out and went on a rampage, perhaps blaming the Samaritan Purse workers.

Doesn't sound impossible...and we've certainly read local nationals are attacking foreign healthcare workers in other places. Remember, people are in full freak out mode over there.

a reply to: loam
Yeah...there's very little about this. And ebola does attack...humans and other life, so.... Just odd phrasing.

a reply to: loam

Seriously, it is like running in circles with you.

There are very firm answers on how Ebola is transmitted from human to human...which is of course what we were talking about.

But you decide, hey, let's throw in some misinformation and start talking about initial human infection from a non-human source.

You are good with your misinformation and twists and turns of topics, I'm sure you fool a lot of idiots, but I'm sure most can see right through you.

a reply to: kruphix
Not really. Viruses are notoriously hard to cure, and even vaccinate against, as we've mentioned over and over. They're sneaky, opportunistic, and change rapidly.

This is why with HIV we can only contain, control, and treat the symptoms and side effects and why HIV patients have to keep changing their cocktails. This is why there is no cure for the common cold. And this is why this outbreak is so serious.

Why There’s No Cure:

Viruses are too small to reproduce on their own, so they have to inject their genome into a host cell. This means that when the host cell replicates, so does the virus. In order for the virus to be able to do its injecting, ‘do all the hard work for me’ trick, it needs to be able to attach to a molecule on the surface of the host cell—this molecule is called a receptor. If the virus doesn’t have the equipment to attach to a certain kind of cell’s receptor, it can’t invade that cell. In fighting viruses, it’s important to identify the virus’ corresponding receptor so you can prevent it from binding and thus prevent it from replicating. With Ebola, this is the missing piece of the puzzle—we don’t know what the receptor is, so we don’t have a way to stop the virus from proliferating. In humans, Ebola is capable of invading many different kinds of host cells, so it’s possible that it is capable of binding to more than one receptor, making it a dangerously versatile aggressor. Ebola is also notoriously hazardous to study, although many research universities and institutions are working on unraveling its mysteries. www.scilogs.com...

a reply to: kruphix
It's my understanding that the term "variant" is correct.

A recent article in The New England Journal of Medicine (Baize et al., 2014) suggests that the currently ongoing outbreak in Guinea is caused by a divergent variant of the Zaire ebola (EBOV) lineage. The EBOV strain has previously caused ebola outbreaks in the Democratic Republic of Congo and Gabon.

epidemic.bio.ed.ac.uk...

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: kruphix

Why Aren’t Previously Successful Methods Used to Stop Ebola Working Against This New Strain?

Making assumptions about the newest outbreak of a virus notorious for mutating may be ill-advised, WHO head Margaret Chan warned in a speech planned for delivery to the Presidents of Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone, “Constant mutation and adaptation are the survival mechanisms of viruses and other microbe,” Chan said. “We must not give this virus opportunities to deliver more surprises.”

Was this posted yet? I'm catching up.

ETA: Sounds like it was from that same deleted transcript speech? "...planned for delivery." And not delivered...for some reason.

Let me repeat this...THIS IS NOT A NEW STRAIN.

Just frustrating trying to talk sense in this thread.

And why is this outbreak worse than those in the past??? I don't know...but possibly because these areas in West Africa are more populated than previous outbreaks? Possibly because travel is easier within these regions than it was the last time there was an outbreak? Possibly because this is now in urban areas instead of a rule village somewhere?

Or maybe you are right...this is a vast conspiracy with a brand new strain (which none of the scientist researching this has noticed) and it is the super duper deadly strain that you can catch just by looking at it or being within 10 feet of anybody that has ever said the word Ebola.

a reply to: kruphix

There is a material difference between 'firm' answers and 'exhaustive' answers. Your claim that we know all there is about modes of transmission is simply false.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

I think the speech was delivered. Look at African media sources. I think somebody didn't like how those words would play in the West.

I posted a full transcript here.

a reply to: kruphix
The WHO thinks it may be. Repeat after me: THEY ARE NOT SURE.

a reply to: loam
Thanks. Reading...

ETA: Okay, read it. This is what they said would happen:

in some areas, chains of transmission have moved underground. They are invisible. They are not being reported.