Ebola Patient in Atlanta Hospital

originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: 00nunya00

sure,,, if u have money to burn , i guess.

there are such things as BUDGETS,, and Accounting,,u know.

in the real world.

I would think all major airlines would be willing to donate tickets for this. They give donated miles to sick kids; there's usually at least one empty seat on any given flight. FEMA seems to have plenty of money to burn; why aren't they paying for the flights? I think most people would allow a $700 stretch in the budget to keep us all safe. Start a Kickstarter campaign, SOMETHING, if a guy can get $40k to make potato salad on fundraising sites, surely people will give a buck to keep possible ebola out of the same plane or truck their package from grandma is being carried in.

(sounds of typing in background)

And in other news, the driver of an overnight shipping truck fell asleep and crashed outside Atlanta early this morning. Authorities assure everyone it wasn't THE truck and all is right and well. Those bunny suits they are all wearing are for some really stinky cheese they insist is just too much to handle without all that odd protection, with air tanks, and so much equipment (pause)

And now for sports! (fade out)

I mean, really? What could possibly go wrong and why would anyone use an overnight courier or anything? A totally unnecessary expense I am sure. We demand budget cutting after all, so we all appreciate their sense of cost, don't we?

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: DirtyD
a reply to: kruphix

While you make some good points, what the study shows is that there is no consensus, and there is still much to be learned about this disease.

As to whether or not the virus can be transmitted through droplets in the air (say an infected person coughs or sneezes), I'd say the jury's out. I certainly wouldn't be comfortable in an enclosed environment with an infected person. Would you?

Also, you keep falling back on the argument that the only thing that differentiates this outbreak from any other is the size and scope. I think what many are arguing here is that the size and scope is precisely the major concern. Nobody has studied the effects of Ebola on large populations. We are on uncharted ground here, so I wouldnt be so quick to poo-poo peoples' concerns and say past research is definitive.

The study shows only one thing, and that is what it set out to show...that Ebola can be airborn transmission between pigs and primates. That is all it shows, you can not logically extrapolate anything else from those results.

Again, size and scope doesn't change the virus. I know a lot of people are talking about mutations...but to this point it is all pure speculation with nothing to back it up with.

Perhaps you missed my reply to you a few pages back:

Airborne transmission in humans is strongly suspected.

In the laboratory, infection through small-particle aerosols has been demonstrated in primates, and airborne spread among humans is strongly suspected, although it has not yet been conclusively demonstrated

definition of airborne transmition,,,including droplets,,,



is it clear yet??

originally posted by: BobAthome
definition of airborne transmition,,,including droplets,,,

is it clear yet??

That's actually not airborne transmission.

a reply to: 00nunya00

im sorry but that would be up to your respective governments,,,

maybe homeland security might donate,,,

i doubt it though.

after all the ones who care for usa are on vacation.

a reply to: DantesPeak

strictly speaking u are correct,,
how about "CONFIRMED AIRBORNE TRANSMISSION."?

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: violet

Ebola is not going to jump off the plane and infect everyone in one day.

Yes I'm aware of that!

originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: 00nunya00

im sorry but that would be up to your respective governments,,,

maybe homeland security might donate,,,

i doubt it though.

after all the ones who care for usa are on vacation.

Totally. But we're talking about literally a $700 plane ticket. To make 100% sure we "take all necessary precautions" like they keep insisting they're doing. Sorry, but trusting a frigging FedEx worker----no matter how experienced and high-up they are-----with possibly the fate of the future of the country is ludicrous. All to save $700. In New York, that means taking a cop off his stop-and-frisk beat for a few days. That's it. It's not some outlandish expense.

originally posted by: 00nunya00

originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: 00nunya00

sure,,, if u have money to burn , i guess.

there are such things as BUDGETS,, and Accounting,,u know.

in the real world.

I would think all major airlines would be willing to donate tickets for this. They give donated miles to sick kids; there's usually at least one empty seat on any given flight. FEMA seems to have plenty of money to burn; why aren't they paying for the flights? I think most people would allow a $700 stretch in the budget to keep us all safe. Start a Kickstarter campaign, SOMETHING, if a guy can get $40k to make potato salad on fundraising sites, surely people will give a buck to keep possible ebola out of the same plane or truck their package from grandma is being carried in.

See...this is what is freaking me out. People are not making any changes to their normal procedures in handling ebola...because FB hasn't told them they have to!

Common sense is not driving the bus. It's becoming evident, that a country who's only experience with ebola, is what they see or hear on the news about *other* places far far away...haven't projected 2 feet in front of them that it's on their own turf now. Somewhere in their cloudy brains...it's still far far away.

Des

originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: DantesPeak

strictly speaking u are correct,,
how about "CONFIRMED AIRBORNE TRANSMISSION."?

Not sure what "confirmed" adds to it. Airborne means you walk into a room with the infected person, breathe the air, and you're infected.

a reply to: 00nunya00
I've posted that as well, pages back someplace. Maybe in another thread
I'm of the opinion we, they really don't know enough about this virus yet. Anything is possible and shouldn't be ruled out

originally posted by: violet
a reply to: 00nunya00
I've posted that as well, pages back someplace.
I'm of the opinion we, they really don't know enough about this virus yet. Anything is possible and shouldn't be ruled out

Totally, this is like the 20th time it's been posted in this thread, but it must have disappeared every time, because those who insist they've read the whole thread and still ask for credible sources seem to have never seen those 20 different posts with the link. Hrm. :/

I don't like Donald Trump, but at least he shares our views.

"The U.S. must immediately stop all flights from EBOLA infected countries or the plague will start and spread inside our "borders." Act fast!" D. Trump

twitter.com...

Origin of Source
www.sheknows.com...

originally posted by: violet

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: violet

Ebola is not going to jump off the plane and infect everyone in one day.

Yes I'm aware of that!

Violet is right...it's going to jump off a freaking UPS or Fedex truck...

Des

a reply to: 00nunya00
I looked through my posts on this and didn't find the health Canada source where it was said. I think I put it in the shoot planes down thread, couple of days ago. I've not read this entire thread .

Still though when I posted in the other, I was called fearmonger. I've given up arguing that accusation.

I think it's only fair we put out there ALL that we can find and source. Good or bad. Let people decide for themselves which to believe.

I'm most certainly not in panic mode but would be should I hear it's local. I have a caregiver who comes twice a week and it's somewhat concerning they are working in the health community, if, as I said, I discovered there was a local case in my area. Caregivers, not mine, clean up patients bodily fluids. When I was interviewing some, I told one I'm easy to take care of, not in diapers lol, she said that's ok, I do anything. I have a guy who frequently pleasures himself and I will clean the stuff off him. Yikes! Some are professional nurses, some aren't.
Which leads me to thinking about plumbers. One came to clean up my septic back up. Now I think wow these plumbers have touched God knows what when they come to my house. I disinfect after they leave.
I could go on. When we have torrential downpours here, our water gets contaminated with fecal matter. Can't be used. There was a boil water alert couple of weeks ago and I wasn't aware. I was deathly ill. Vomiting, the whole works. Then someone texts me boil your water.

Food for thought. Sorry it was nasty to talk about

originally posted by: 00nunya00

originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: 00nunya00

im sorry but that would be up to your respective governments,,,

maybe homeland security might donate,,,

i doubt it though.

after all the ones who care for usa are on vacation.

Totally. But we're talking about literally a $700 plane ticket. To make 100% sure we "take all necessary precautions" like they keep insisting they're doing. Sorry, but trusting a frigging FedEx worker----no matter how experienced and high-up they are-----with possibly the fate of the future of the country is ludicrous. All to save $700. In New York, that means taking a cop off his stop-and-frisk beat for a few days. That's it. It's not some outlandish expense.

I'm tempted to go the the UPS and Fedex FB pages and post the story of how NY sent the ebola sample to CDC for testing.

Ask them if their drivers are aware they are transporting possibly LIVE EBOLA....see if that lights a fire under some butts to find a safer means for sending samples of ebola to CDC.

grrrrrrrrr......

Des

Apparently, giving the infected Americans treatment in Liberia is causing some outcry and some questionning about why the government there was not informed. We discussed this very thing here in this thear last night.

Giving Americans Ebola Drug Prompts Flak

Now, Dr. Nyenswah said, officials have been beset with requests from dying patients and their relatives for the same treatment.

"This is something that has made our job most difficult," Dr. Nyenswah said. "The population here is asking: 'You said there was no cure for Ebola, but the Americans are curing it?'"

Liberian officials were set to meet Wednesday with the World Health Organization to see about getting the experimental drug rushed into use for other patients, said Dr. Nyenswah.

...

An Obama administration official said Tuesday that the treatment was arranged by Samaritan's Purse, a humanitarian organization that sponsored Dr. Brantly in Liberia. The National Institutes of Health provided Samaritan's Purse with contacts at the company developing this treatment, the official said.

"The NIH did not procure, transport, approve or administer the experimental treatments in Liberia," the official said.

A spokeswoman for the U.S. Food and Drug Administration said the FDA can provide access to experimental treatments by a mechanism known as an emergency investigational new drug application, and that the agency's approval is required before an experimental drug can be given in the U.S.

Also...

Fear, treatment and a serum: The U.S. and the Ebola outbreak

There is also a doctor in Tennessee who recently returned from treating Ebola patients in West Africa. He has voluntarily quarantined himself, saying in a statement sent to the Tennessean that he feels fine but is acting “out of caution.” The Peace Corps isolated two volunteers who were exposed to someone who later died from the virus. Neither of the volunteers — both Americans — showed any symptoms, reported CBS News. The Peace Corps said last week that it would remove its volunteers from Liberia, Sierra Leone and Geinea due to the outbreak.

...

Also Tuesday, British Airways said it was suspending flights to Liberia and Sierra Leone this month due to the Ebola scare.

Ut oh. The CFR speaks...that is NEVER good.

Foreign Relations Council says Ebola outbreak is 'out of control'

“There is no strategic plan of how we’re going to bring this under control,” Garrett said. “What will be the global strategy if this disease shows up elsewhere?”

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are sending 50 medical professionals to Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone in the next few days to relieve and assist people working on the crisis, Garrett said.

...

The World Bank on Monday pledged $200 million in emergency funding to help the West African nations contain the spread of infections and help their communities fight the deadly disease, which has historically reached fatality rates of 90%.

originally posted by: Destinyone

originally posted by: 00nunya00

originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: 00nunya00

im sorry but that would be up to your respective governments,,,

maybe homeland security might donate,,,

i doubt it though.

after all the ones who care for usa are on vacation.

Totally. But we're talking about literally a $700 plane ticket. To make 100% sure we "take all necessary precautions" like they keep insisting they're doing. Sorry, but trusting a frigging FedEx worker----no matter how experienced and high-up they are-----with possibly the fate of the future of the country is ludicrous. All to save $700. In New York, that means taking a cop off his stop-and-frisk beat for a few days. That's it. It's not some outlandish expense.

I'm tempted to go the the UPS and Fedex FB pages and post the story of how NY sent the ebola sample to CDC for testing.

Ask them if their drivers are aware they are transporting possibly LIVE EBOLA....see if that lights a fire under some butts to find a safer means for sending samples of ebola to CDC.

grrrrrrrrr......

Des

Des, now you've reminded me my brother does this for a living. He drives hospital samples around Vancouver. Carrying vials of blood etc. should he crash, this stuff would smash open. thankfully we don't have any cases here but they aren't going to tell us right away, only after they have taken blood and sent to labs. Which is what he transports.

ETA
I should say he does not drive a UPS. Truck, just his own vehicle. It's not guarded. He's a real klutz too!

a reply to: ~Lucidity

Yes, we have been discussing this. It's also the reason so many in the infected areas will be getting to America any way they can....according to the world...we have the freaking miracle *secret serum*. Of which the next *small* batch won't even be ready for two weeks according to the manufacturer today on Fox Cable.

The flood gates are open now, better watch the borders too.

BTW, when people are broke and need quick cash. What's the first thing a lot of them do.

SELL BLOOD

Wonder how the red cross is going to test for ebola....

Des