Ebola Patient in Atlanta Hospital

a reply to: loam

Why...us.

a reply to: 00nunya00


Go ahead. Safety first. I prefer to travel in a FREE environment and be responsible for my own safety. You live in your FREE cocoon.

a reply to: loam

I'm almost with you on that. Here's something else:


I see a SCBA on the first guy out of the ambulance. Call it an airscrubber. Fresh air while wearing a biosuit. Also, there's a difference between a BSL-4 suit, and that is that a BSL-4 is positive pressure. It'd be inflated. That looks like a BSL-3 suit, uninflated.


The second guy out, who is supposedly Dr. Brantly, is NOT wearing a SCBA. It was a 14 mile trip, with stops, so what the heck did he do for fresh air in an enclosed suit?


Shouldn't they both have on SCBAs? If Emory is the supposed BSL-4 facility they are saying it is, why are they wearing BSL-3 suits? I can see the infected doctor not needing a positive pressure suit, but the other guy? And should Dr. Brantly at least have an SCBA?

originally posted by: ozwest
a reply to: 00nunya00


Go ahead. Safety first. I prefer to travel in a FREE environment and be responsible for my own safety. You live in your FREE cocoon.

You're not even making sense anymore. Do you never wash your hands? Do you see people with fevers and give them a big wet kiss? Is that what "free travel" means to you? Do you see basic sanitation as some oppressive cocoon? If so, enjoy your herpes, because you're one shopping cart handle away from it.

No one is saying people should walk around with masks on. What I AM saying is that the risk of transmission should not be downplayed to "you're never going to catch this" like the MSM is doing. There should be the caveat that although this is not as easy to catch as the flu, you should still follow the basic sanitation procedures you would during flu season, like washing your hands and avoiding close contact with visibly sick people.

Jeesh, reading comprehension. It's underrated.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

I get 'who', but why?

Why does this display matter?

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: loam


Cartersville to Liberia to Marietta to Atlanta back to Cartersville back to Liberia back to Marietta and to Atlanta then back to Cartersville.

ETA: I forgot...a GRADY ambulance. Doesn't Emory, the class-4 biohazard facility have an ambulance for same?!

What are they doing, adding more people and surfaces to the mix? Right.


a reply to: loam
It's for show, maybe. To either scare or reassure. Depends on what happens after this. That's why it's kind of important to document...just in case.

a reply to: Druid42
Hmmm....I thougt that was maybe an IV or something.

a reply to: Druid42

I don't know enough about the suits, but the entire scene just seems wrong.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
ETA: I forgot...a GRADY ambulance. Doesn't Emory, the class-4 biohazard facility have an ambulance for same?!

I wondered about that too. I looked up Grady, but nothing jumped out.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
It's for show, maybe. To either scare or reassure. Depends on what happens after this. That's why it's kind of important to document...just in case.

Agreed.

But very strange for now.

Bob, nobody answered you earlier, so i will. Ebola (EBOV) is neither rod shaped nor spherical. It is a filovirus.
a reply to: BobAthome

The MSM is touting video of the patient in a full protective suit walking into Emory hospital....

CNN

I can't fathom how this guy should be "walking" into the hospital. The dude should be on a freaking stretcher, I mean he's sick with FREAKING EBOLA!!! Whatthewhat???

This story just got an extra layer of "fishy" added to it.

originally posted by: ozwest
a reply to: 00nunya00

I like to give big wet kisses to people. When I travel I am always considering my health and I'm a very clean person. I don't travel for free. I have a rather large business www.fandangoz.com... wasn't trying to advertise, but it supports my point.

No, it doesn't support your point. In fact, it supports my point: that people are sometimes far too lax in their vigilance of not spreading diseases, especially international travelers. If your outlook is "I'm never going to catch or spread anything serious" then I pray I am never on an airplane with you or touch a door knob you've touched. "Being clean" is not the same as taking basic precautions again spreading disease. You may smell good, but if you see basic hand washing as an "oppressive cocoon" then Lord help us all, because apparently the simplest of scientific facts are discarded by many. Washing your hands after touching a very public surface is 19th-century science.

a reply to: ~Lucidity



See the black breathing tube?

Also curious:

a reply to: loam

Grady is the level-1 trauma hospital in pretty much downtown Atlanta. It's a very, very busy and chaotic place. I can't even begin to tell you.

You know what other question I have? what about the crazy plastic bubbles they said they were going to use? None of that visible.

If it hasn't been covered yet a BioSecure Lab 4 is the most secure lab on the planet...These patients are not being placed on a standard isolation unit! They are more or less in a locked vault, so to speak!! These labs have there own ventilation system and own water and disposable system...The patients are actually locked into behind several doors....There can be be no positive pressure whatsoever in this chamber, if there is, you risk the air in the lab escaping..

Nurses and doctors who do not fall universal precautions are just plain stupid and lazy!! And i am speaking of care facilities in the U.S. They are asking for it and are putting every ones health at risk.

In order to work worth a patient who has Ebola the staff who have direct contact with the patient as in hands on,
must wear a positive pressure hazmat suit...These are the suits that pump oxygen into you so you are not breathing the air.

Okay step back a minute....Ebola started in a third country! What are the chances these clinics or hospitals even had gloves!! They don't have enough isolation equipment needed to deal with each and every patient. They are also very uneducated when it comes to strict isolation routine!! The governments were letting bodies pile up on the streets...oozing blood for days! These reasons are the MAIN REASON they were not able to stop this outbreak!

Thank God we know a little more than that! And let me say this! The comparison of shotty practices of healthcare workers and staff in everyday hospital setting is like comparing oranges to trampolines!!!

We are not as stupid as some imply here when it comes to life or death! You are talking about dealing with the most deadly pathogen in the world!!! Where in that statement is there even the thought of complacency? If these patients were to have any contact with nurses/housekeeping......etc......do you honestly think that the above statement is not pulsing through their body at an alarm 5 rate!!! Come on ya'll commonsense please!!

This thread is reaching a level of ridiculousness! If you are that afraid of these pathogen, then please do some research starting with 1976 when this first veered its ugly head in the Congo next to the Ebola River! From there do some research on the protocol of all Bio safety Labs......Educate yourself as much as possible.....study the Filovirus'

Here is an open to the public educational article:

Filoviruses have to date been considered as consisting of one diverse genus (Ebola viruses) and one undifferentiated genus (Marburg virus). We reconsider this idea by means of detailed phylogenetic analyses of sequence data available for the Filoviridae: using coalescent simulations, we ascertain that two Marburg isolates (termed the “RAVN” strain) represent a quite-distinct lineage that should be considered in studies of biogeography and host associations, and may merit recognition at the level of species. In contrast, filovirus isolates recently obtained from bat tissues are not distinct from previously known strains, and should be considered as drawn from the same population. Implications for understanding the transmission geography and host associations of these viruses are discussed.

PLEASE READ AND DO THE RESEARCH NECESSARY TO cut down on some of the PANIC...

.onlinelibrary.wiley.com...

Thanks Pax

a reply to: TotalProtonicReversal

well actually he was, given anti bodies from a previous person who had recovered,,but u know the media,,focus on

"Gloom and Doom,, forget the ray of hope,
,sunshine.
cause the smell/illusion of death sells.baby."

Wall street Devil Guy.

a reply to: 00nunya00

I went to Siem Reap in Cambodia looking for product last month. One of the poorest countries in the world, but their standard of civility and graciousness is far beyond what you and I practice. Like I said. Leave America and travel. If more of you did that you would understand others rather than be afraid.

a reply to: Druid42
Very interesting. So no real oversight.

I was thinking maybe he was hooked to breathing tubes in this tent thing they kept showing and just unhooked for the walk in but that's just dumb. There doesnt seem to have been a tent at all. Smoke.



Funny, but, for many of us, this was the first we heard that Emory was a lev-4 facility. I kinda think they just meant training and a room with no airflow? I don't even know. Now, in addition, apparently it was built "just for this." But maybe this is just something you don't pay attention to until it matters.

a reply to: paxnatus

One problem with that: there are a LOT more people coming back from Africa to the US than just these two identified patients. We have PeaceCorps workers, Doctors Without Borders personnel, and just plain businesspeople who have to visit the affected areas. And then there's all the people who are traveling with those aforementioned folks, all coming back to the US possibly exposed/infected, and then when they get the "flu" they go to their local urgent care center where the only precaution against their germs is paper on the exam table and latex gloves when *touching* them. Even the intake nurses put the thermometer in your mouth without gloves. Sorry, but it's not all Keystone Cops in Africa, they take precautions as much as they can, yet these outbreaks still spread. Combine that with an American populace being told they have no chance of catching ebola, and you get a recipe for disaster. If it was so hard to catch this, then they wouldn't be using level-4 isolation units, they would just be wearing masks and goggles and gloves. Either it's seriously risky to be anywhere near an ebola patient, or it's not. If there's virtually no risk to catch it via casual contact, they wouldn't be taking the highest level of containment and precautions possible.

originally posted by: loam

This is looking like one of Obama's backdoor policies!

What a complete joke if they are letting this guy walk around!!! He should be on four wheels inside a bubble...I take that back, actually he shouldn't be hear at all!!!