Ebola Patient in Atlanta Hospital

a reply to: ozwest

You need some educating. I was born in Port Morseby, New Guinea in 1958. My father is a Doctor and a Professor who has workes for WHO, US Military, AU Military. He achieved the civilian rank of Colonel in both US and AU. I have lived in just about every third world country imaginable due to my fathers malaria work. What is REALLY pissing me off, is this attitude of superiority towards others that are deemed to be unkempt or unclean. I would say to those people, from my experience they have twice the respect for their familes and hygiene than you do, and under difficult circumstances. I lived in the south side of Chicago for a couple of years. Lived in Albuquerque for a couple of years, Flagstaff, Frisco, L.A... Get off your high horse Cowboy and respect the world community. If you want to watch your television and blame others for a virus from 'unclean' people, I got a property for you at the Lubbock, Texas/ Juarez, Mexico border.

a reply to: 00nunya00

assuming that's what happened is based on zero evidence.

What evidence is there that testifies to the truthfulness of this entire
story? Is it just, the media said so? In so many mixed up BS ways it looks like
a duck? I mean lie? Fear fear fear SACRIFICE fear fear fear. Hilarious!

a reply to: paxnatus

Wow! Hard to believe in a medical environment that
they didn't have any bloody gloves! WF!

That in itself is shocking as that is one of the simple
& cheapest things that most everyone uses in the medical field.

Cheers
Ektar

originally posted by: ozwest
a reply to: ozwest

You need some educating. I was born in Port Morseby, New Guinea in 1958. My father is a Doctor and a Professor who has workes for WHO, US Military, AU Military. He achieved the civilian rank of Colonel in both US and AU. I have lived in just about every third world country imaginable due to my fathers malaria work. What is REALLY pissing me off, is this attitude of superiority towards others that are deemed to be unkempt or unclean. I would say to those people, from my experience they have twice the respect for their familes and hygiene than you do, and under difficult circumstances. I lived in the south side of Chicago for a couple of years. Lived in Albuquerque for a couple of years, Flagstaff, Frisco, L.A... Get off your high horse Cowboy and respect the world community. If you want to watch your television and blame others for a virus from 'unclean' people, I got a property for you at the Lubbock, Texas/ Juarez, Mexico border.

So then you admit that there is an even greater chance of the disease spreading in the US than in the rest of the world, because the US is more "unkempt and unclean" than third world countries? So why not sound the alarm for Americans to step up their level of sanitation and disease-containment? Why poo-poo the idea of making Americans alert to the dangers?

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: 00nunya00

assuming that's what happened is based on zero evidence.

What evidence is there that testifies to the truthfulness of this entire
story?

Touche. If none of this is true, we have even bigger things to worry about. For now, I will stick the reported facts and debate accordingly. If you have evidence that none of this is true, please present it.

a reply to: randyvs

Let's just say what the "media" showed looked like he walked from the ambulance into the hospital. We watched that bit live.

a reply to: 00nunya00

yes but it is my understanding that they could only where the suits for about 4 hours because of the extreme heat and humidity and wouldn't they have to change the suit each and every time they saw a new patient? I have been to Uganda
and volunteered in a hospital/clinic in a small village there....They are very limited on supplies and im not speaking of a health organization brought in from another country......I mean lets face it the facilities themselves are not that sanitary..this is probably where they picked it up.....I read last night that they think they both contracted the disease during the contamination process.....

a reply to: 00nunya00

My evidence? Is the lack of evidence and the over abundance of
constant fear.

Sneezebullsh#t!

a reply to: 00nunya00

SIM spokesman Palmer Holt said that the
coming days are so important because
symptoms would start to show that would
indicate that the disease had entered its
second, more serious phase.

The first stage is characterised by fever,
headaches, nausea, vomiting, a rash and
diarrhea.

The second however is haemorrhagic fever in
which patients endure difficulty breathing and
swallowing and agonising bleeding inside their
body.

Blood pours out of their ears and nose and
turns their eyes from white to red. They die an
agonising death. Generally patients who enter
the second stage do not survive.

www.dailymail.co.uk... pecially-fitted-ambulance-landing-US-treatment.html

Waiting for an answer: Nancy Writebol, pictured with
her husband David, is entering a critical stage of her
Ebola treatment and will either show signs of recovery
or inevitable death

Yesterday, Johnson told MailOnline that within
the next few days we will know if Kent Brantly
and Nancy Writebol are likely to survive.

He said that Ebola could turn for the worse
within hours and that both the patients may
soon begin to show signs of internal bleeding
which could be fatal.

Brantly would receive a transfusion of the
blood of a 14-year-old Ebola survivor who
personally helped to treat. Giving blood
transfusions from survivors to still suffering
Ebola patients is an established, though not
nearly proven, treatment for the largely
untreatable disease.

Sorry, in a previous post, I stated an 11 year old survivor, but he is 14.

The blood transfusion may be why he is in such stable condition.

To another poster, there is a picture in another article showing a man in an outdoor market wearing gloves, counting money in his store, because he is fearful of catching Ebola. To state things like, "They probably don't even have gloves!" is patently untrue. I can't find the pic again, but if I do, I will post it.

commonhealth.wbur.org...

Geezus.

Read this thread, already.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: 00nunya00

Great question.

This has been covered somewhat in these many pages, and this article seems to summarize the party line...more or less:

Why are so many Ebola health-care workers dying from the virus?

But I agree...something different about this. Also, it can be airborne...apparently...as in a sneeze, and they are also saying it's jumped species that way.

a reply to: paxnatus

Indeed, I actually read that it was more like 2 hours at the longest. They lose 5 liters of sweat in 2 hours in the suits, and that's stretching it. But still, when washed down with bleach every time, and then showering, how can this be transmitted when no one got directly sneezed on or handled fluids with bare skin? If it's that insidious, why are we saying no one has the chance of catching it from casual, non-HazMat contact?

a reply to: paxnatus

You know what you are talking about. The simplest solutions are the best in that environment.

a reply to: Libertygal

Totally, but the last update we got about his condition before arriving in the US was that he was "in grave condition". There weren't any details about whether he was bleeding or not. If he managed to fight this off before the bleeding phase, then great, we need to take his blood for treatment of others. But we had no specific details of his condition besides the vague "grave" designation. We have no way of knowing what "stage" he was in.

What's the contamination process?

originally posted by: Ektar
a reply to: paxnatus

Wow! Hard to believe in a medical environment that
they didn't have any bloody gloves! WF!

That in itself is shocking as that is one of the simple
& cheapest things that most everyone uses in the medical field.

Cheers
Ektar

Ok, enough.

www.dailymail.co.uk... -s-sophisticated-cities.html

Here are photos showing people in hazmat suits preparing FOOD, to prevent the spread, a money changer wearing gloves, that are proclaimed to not exist!! Oh noes! And men in hazmat suits carrying a deceased Ebola patient to her burial.

Another shows a man changing out of his hazmat suit while being hosed down chemically.

And some want to talk about "hysterics"?

Seriously?

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
What's the contamination process?

I think they meant decontamination, like in the article above. Mrs. Writebol, it seems to be being claimed, is thought to have been infected during the decontamination process, pictured in my link just above.

They wear hazmat suits, then are chemically sprayed down and decontaminated, when they undress.

So, in some form or fashion, she touched something contaminated, and then ingested from her hands, or touched her mucus membranes, (mouth, nose, eyes) and got infected, by a sick patients' body fluids.

Exactly what I have been stating all along.

Fail at standard contact precautions.

Hate to say I told you so.

The second article above also makes that claim, I believe.

EXACTLY what we have to fear here, in the good ole A.T.L.

Bye now.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: 00nunya00

My evidence? Is the lack of evidence and the over abundance of
constant fear.

Sneezebullsh#t!

You could be right, perhaps the US government has the ability to stage 700+ dead bodies in multiple countries, and has control of the entire world's media........or perhaps this is real as it was in the last 40 years of its history, and the "conspiracy" is that it's being downplayed. That's up to you to decide.

a reply to: Libertygal

Yeah, I didn't want to assume, though.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

None of it is even halfassed believable Lucid.
The story is worse then some five year old lie'n
about steal'n candy out of the cookie jar. It's
a convaluted lie from beginning to end.
The only thing I can figure is people are so
lonely and attention starved. Doesn't matter
if it is a ball faced lie. Just give me somethin,
somethin I can use. People love it when they lose.
And crap is definitely king. There is no limit to what
people will believe without evidence. Unless it's
something they don't want to believe. Then there all over it.