Ebola Patient in Atlanta Hospital

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: marg6043

What do you think about the two-hopper? Why on EARTH would they land in Cartersville and THEN go to Dobbins?

That's what I was wondering, why not just land at Peachtree DeKalb? Less than 12 miles from Emory.

a reply to: hillbilly4rent

Or even Hartsfield.

This has to be diversion.

originally posted by: Druid42
Is the TSA screening body temps at every terminal yet?

They're too busy squeezing boobs and probing buttholes.

This is Cartersville Airport. Small. Then on to Dobbins Air Reserve base. Why?

www.airnav.com...

online.wsj.com...

The patients will be flown to Dobbins Air Reserve base in the Atlanta area, the Pentagon said. Upon arrival, the patients will be driven to Emory in a special ambulance, according to Emory staff.

originally posted by: LrdRedhawk

originally posted by: Druid42
Is the TSA screening body temps at every terminal yet?

They're too busy squeezing boobs and probing buttholes.

Hilarious. Not. But they're not flying to any large airports, apparently, or so goes the "word."

a reply to: LrdRedhawk

They're also too busy stealing belongings of passengers. The government will say it's just too expensive to train the TSA in the proper use of medical equipment and too expensive to distribute said equipment.

If it does happen, and they suspect a case, they will probably have them wait in the terminal lobby for god's sake. But don't sweat it... it's never gonna happen. Move along... nothing to see here....

originally posted by: hillbilly4rent

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: marg6043

What do you think about the two-hopper? Why on EARTH would they land in Cartersville and THEN go to Dobbins?

That's what I was wondering, why not just land at Peachtree DeKalb? Less than 12 miles from Emory.

Perhaps they have decontamination crew at the lesser populated Cartersville AP, to hose down the plane before heading to Dobbins. The plane did leave from Cartersville, where it had been outfitted for this flight. It stands to reason the Defense Dept has a small base of operation for this particular plane?

My friend knows someone who works at the Cartersville AP, I just asked him to try and call to find out anything if he can. The guy is a A and P for those size planes there. If he hears back, I'll post anything I hear.


Des

a reply to: ~Lucidity

Smaller airports and military ones, it's easy to control the traffic flying in and out. Less chance of a major cluster****.

Des

a reply to: Destinyone

Thanks. Let us know.

But again, why not fly into an airport closer to the hospital? Why risk two hops and then transfer to ambulance? Someone this must make sense...somehow. But I don't see it. I also don't see telling the world the path either though.

a reply to: Destinyone
True. But as hillbilly4rent said, Peachtree Dekalb is small too and much closer.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: new_here

Did you not see my posts about this. This is my very neighborhood. They are ALSO landing in Cartersville. Why land twice?

Yep, I saw it, Luci and their wording is clunky and I interpreted it differently...

the patients will be transported one at a time from Liberia by air ambulance operated by Phoenix Air in Cartersville, Georgia, to Dobbins Air Reserve Base in Marietta, Georgia.

I did a little emphasis up there to clarify what I got from it... what do you make of it?

a reply to: new_here

Thanks. Could be I'm speed reading and missing things. Dobbins alone makes more sense.

I feel better now. Sort of. Not really. But thanks for the assist.

The 9/11 pilots trained at Kennesaw Airport. Just a little more reason to be jumpy.

I am dumbfounded about breaking the medical rule that you don't 2 incubators full of highly deadly virus and breaking the other rule that you don't fly very sick person in an airplane international flight. Theirhemodynamics cannot tolerate the awful dynamics of a plane.

Okay Ya'll time to STOP the FUTURE TRIPPIN with the WHAT IF's! You are gonna have a nervous breakdown Des!

I too am from Atlanta..As an R.N. i am highly skeptical when it comes to medical care and medical care facilities, especially if it involves my friends and my family..I mean aren't we all? My mom lived at Emory literally, after undergoing a stem cell transplant for cancer. She was admitted to the Bone Marrow Transplant Unit, 8th floor to be exact.. She was my best friend..and i felt that no one was gonna screw around with her care! I left my family and went to stay with her at the hospital, in her room! My stays were as long as 4 weeks at a time! Being a nurse i was aware of short staff, and less than desirable care. i was bound and determined not to let that happen to my mother.

I can honestly say the care she received was absolutely stellar!! And believe me I was looking for the mistakes! The nurses were like none other I had ever witnessed!! Keep in mind this is a highly specialized unit and not your general med surg floor! The nurses that made it to the 8th floor stayed there. Very little turn over on this floor!

I am trying to put some of you at ease here...Emory is a state of the art Hospital! They are only one of 4 hospitals
in the country that have a locked down secured Isolation or quarantined area. These 2 patients contracted the Ebola Virus in Africa they have had no contact with the general public since entering the United States. They entered on a secure transfer flight capable of handling the most deadly pathogens in the world! Every person involved has a degree in Bio Safety Level 4 diseases...Level 4 being the most virulent and deadly and without a cure. Each was in a contained isolated living pod and no one was breathing or re breathing the air of the contaminated.

These patients are not going to be mixed with the general public...I seriously doubt any nurses will care for the patients period. It will be only doctors/researchers. You will need a top level security clearance to even enter the area and I do believe this is a facility that is separate from the main hospital at Emory. The patients are probably behind several secured and contained doors. My opinion and this may be part of the protocol but the Doctors and anyone assigned to these patients needs to live in the facility and not leave until either the patient is cured or the patient dies...which they will most likely be required to do! The risk of exposure to the general public is not very high.

The reason the patients were brought to Emory is because the CDC is right down the street!! This is the only way to study and research this deadly live virus in a living infected person! Until now, there has never been an opportunity to really find a cure! If we do not get a handle on this now and try to find a cure then we may not be in immediate danger with the disease being contained to Africa but believe me it is around the corner!! WE NEED THIS RESEARCH!!! ASAP!! and this is the best chance we have ever had to conduct and find a cure....

BAR NONE! OF ALL THE DEADLY PATHOGENS WE COULD GET, EBOLA SCARES THE HELL OUT OF ME AND ALWAYS HAS!!

Do not lose sleep over whether or not the city of Atlanta will be exposed . This is NOT a conspiracy theory!! It is modern medicine taking place.

Do ya'll really think that the majority of Doctors and Research Scientist, Molecular Biologists, Geneticist, Infectious disease specialist are just a bunch of hacks that got their degrees in a bubble gum machine??? Have a little faith!
Most of the people that go into this type of medicine do so because they love humanity and want to give back! Not because they have a sinister plan to expose mankind to some horrible disease!! I say most because there are no absolutes ever when it comes to medicine or science!

This is not some type of killing off people to control the world's population! Emphasis on CONTROL!! Ebola is too unpredictable and too lethal for someone to release as a bio weapon You cannot control it! Not a good choice and the terrorists will most likely end up contracting the disease!!


The post regarding water from the sheets or water going down the drain and contaminating the public water system, prompted me to write this response. Do you really believe this is the first time we have ever treated a highly contagious and lethal disease? TB, SARS, Legionaries, AIDS, Mad Cow, Plague, Hanta Virus etc.....Common sense will keep you grounded..

Thanks for letting me share,
Pax

Well, this is interesting:



So the CDC says the care they will receive here really isn't much better than what they would have gotten over there.

Also, doesn't sound like Sanjay is very convinced by the CDC's answers about the safety concerns.

a reply to: paxnatus

Thank you. This is what I've been trying to say in all these threads. Emory is one of the top hospitals in the country. Especially when it comes to highly infectious diseases. These patients aren't going to be in a gen pop ER wing. They're going to be in a self-contained containment unit that is under BSL-4 protocol. You're not going to have candy stripers walking in and out of this unit. The only people allowed access are going to be some of the top doctors in the world and researchers from the CDC and Emory who have spent years if not decades working with Ebola. People freaking out about these two coming back to the US are paranoid over nothing. What they should really be worried about are people flying in on commercial airlines that might be infected. Even then though the odds of a major outbreak in this country are near nil.

a reply to: paxnatus

Thank you for writing back, you definitely enlightened me to some of the practices taken under bio safety level-4. It seems that we are a little safer than some of us at ATS think. Ebola scares the living daylights out of me as well. If it was smallpox, I wouldn't care because we have treated, and come up with vaccines for the last 60 years or so. However, we are still bringing an active case of a virus to a place in the world where it doesn't naturally occur. I pray nothing happens, and that the pros outweigh the potential cons of this.

a reply to: paxnatus

I appreciate you sharing your experience here but, I beg to differ. I'm not buying into the fear porn. I am more concerned with the panic and the public reaction. There is a simple solution. Medical ships. As far as Emory being next door to the CDC? So what!! The CDC is as close as an internet connection to anywhere in the world. They can study it just fine from a Medical ship. The technology to transmit images and video quickly is available. Send all the CDC doctors and scientists you want to the ship and let them transmit their results. This is about fear porn and the public reaction. They have the ability to short circuit that by putting them on a medical ship. Do I trust the people at Emory? Yes. My partner just asked me if I would treat an Ebola patient if I was working there. The short answer is YES I WOULD but my lack of fear does not change the fact that people in the communities near by can panic and cause worse damage. They have the ability to alleviate that fear but they are hell bent on causing panic.

What it boils down to - IMHO - is that all of the people arguing and attempting to shame those opposed are quite simply relying on the same pie-in-the-sky practices and protocols that ended up allowing these doctors to be infected in the first place.

And, before anyone can post bomb me with how much better Emory is or the U.S. is or the CDC is - they all, each and everyone, rely on *human beings* (just as West Africa does), which can be tired, overwhelmed, out-numbered, overworked, thoughtless, irresponsible, ignorant and hateful.

It seems to me that the U.S., at this point, is simply at the mercy of Chance and Hubris - Chance that no other infected people fly into the U.S. from infected areas and spread it. Hubris that society, modern medicine and the current medical system is capable of dealing with such a pathogen

You're just wasting time.the only problem is they bring them here. So why make the problem if there wasn't a problem existing in the first place?

KosmicJack you make a good point. However the post led me to another inexorable conclusion. What if we are successful in treating these Ebola infections here, and we just keep flying more and more in? Being the supposedly "humanitarian" United States that we are? Or, what if Africa and affected countries start demanding, rioting and requesting flights to the United States for themselves, or family? This could spiral out of control.

a reply to: Destinyone

All I can say is this; get ready for the PANDEMIC to hit the States Hard... We're supposed to just accept that this patient was brought here because there was no other place for him or her? Give me a break! The Illuminati want 6.5 BILLION people dead. Wake up and smell the Ebola!