Ebola Patient in Atlanta Hospital

a reply to: ~Lucidity

Or this one.

Been reading that old thread again.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
Ebola death toll in West Africa reaches 729, two US aid workers in grave condition

I get the feeling it's a whole lot more than 729.

Well you are probably right... I have been seeing that number for at least all day today and maybe 2 days, yet they say it's getting worse by the minute.

originally posted by: kosmicjack
I knew it! Crap! And everyone said we were paranoid and overreacting.!!!! Ugh.

"The disease spreads through body fluid. Just thank God it's not pneumonic."
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Yet.

a reply to: loam
Yep. Makes it all to real a "thing" again.

a reply to: new_here

This person has some good charts and info. See tabs at top too.

originally posted by: Cynic

originally posted by: kosmicjack
I knew it! Crap! And everyone said we were paranoid and overreacting.!!!! Ugh.

"The disease spreads through body fluid. Just thank God it's not pneumonic."
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Yet.

And apparently it is also sexually transmitted.

Men who have recovered from the disease can still transmit the virus through their semen for up to 7 weeks after recovery from illness.

www.who.int...

originally posted by: Khaleesi
a reply to: soficrow

.......They can EASILY care for these two patients in a less populated area. We have the ability to do that. .....There are plenty of area in the US that are less densely populated that also have great medical facilities or the ability to set up mobile facilities. Believe me, I have plenty of compassion. You don't know me or what I have dealt with during my health care career.

You don't know what you are talking about: there are only four -4- facilities in the entire USA equipped to handle a disease like Ebola. And again, time is of the essence for these 2 patients - so while we may have the technology and money to "build more," we do not have the time.

.....You're right, I don't know you. But I do know that anyone who chooses to interpret a general philosophical statement as a personal attack has over-riding personal issues, which is not my problem.

a reply to: Cynic

Unfortunately...ebola infected person sneezes or coughs on your flip down tray on an airline flight...the body fluids dispersed on that surface are still infectious to the next person to come in contact with it.


Des

Ebola coming to U.S. for first time as Atlanta hospital preps for patients

There's a new video interview here. CNN in Atlanta.

Sorry, dude. My fear outweighs my compassion.

a reply to: Cynic

Person-to-person transmission occurs via close personal contact with an infected individual or their body fluids during the late stages of infection or after death...

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SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST: The virus can survive in liquid or dried material for a number of days (23). Infectivity is found to be stable at room temperature or at 4°C for several days, and indefinitely stable at -70°C (6, 20). Infectivity can be preserved by lyophilisation.

Link.

originally posted by: Witness2008
a reply to: soficrow

You say that many pathogens are man made along with all the obvious destructive waste produced by industry, but you want us to trust these same people with a strain of Ebola that has a kill rate of 60 to 90% inside of the U.S?

1st - I'm saying the "destructive waste produced by industry" AND purposefully created synthetic chemicals, medications etc actually create new pathogens - 'accidentally' if you will - via natural processes of adaptation, mutation and evolution. Man-made pathogens are another story and nowhere near as commonplace.

2nd - I am not asking anyone to "trust" anyone - just to recognize that you're asking authorities to control things that can't be controlled, using measures that are known to be ineffective. Quarantine Doesn't Work for Animal-Borne Diseases

3rd - Now I'm asking you to trust me. Trust me - even if you keep out the 2 American patients, Ebola WILL get here. But we will have lost a good opportunity to study the disease in humans, and get ahead of it.

4th - My main point - People are allowing the media to whip them into a state of frenzied fear - and allowing government to USE that fear to further other agendas. Like the Quarantine Amendment - even though Quarantine Doesn't Work for Animal-Borne Diseases.

a reply to: loam

True it might get here anyway barring flight restrictions, which in my opinion, given the gestation period are long past the point where they would do much good.

There's a difference between it breaking in (uncontained) and inviting it in (contained but still dangerous). Both are bad alternatives.

Also, hmmmmmmmm...has this been posted?

The National Institutes of Health has been developing an Ebola vaccine for several years that has had "encouraging results" in primates, says Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. Fauci said he's working with the Food and Drug Administration to fast track the vaccine into a phase 1 clinical trial this fall. This type of trial is the earliest study in humans and aims to make sure that drugs are safe and show some efficacy.

NIH to launch early Ebola vaccine trial in September

a reply to: soficrow


So...we are just one big experimental petri dish for you to observe and learn from.

Sorry I don't trust your approach in any way shape or form.

Des

Holy cow so I looked this up today and this actually lives longer than the Flu outside of the body. I would call this airborne or at least semi airborne I have no idea why they do not. I mean if someone coughs one single organism is enough to infect you. I took the first reliable source of information from Google.

SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST: The virus can survive in liquid or dried material for a number of days . Infectivity is found to be stable at room temperature or at 4°C for several days, and indefinitely stable at -70°C. Infectivity can be preserved by lyophilisation.

23 flipping DAYS?!?! The Flu can only exist for HOURS. I am not trying to fear monger but holy cow. I was thinking we did not call this airborne because it died quickly outside of a host. This is just crazy.

HOST RANGE: Humans, various monkey species, chimpanzees, gorillas, baboons, and duikers. The Ebola virus genome was recently discovered in two species of rodents and one species of shrew living in forest border areas, raising the possibility that these animals may be intermediary hosts. Other studies of the virus have been done using guinea pig models. A survey of small vertebrates captured during the 2001 and 2003 outbreaks in Gabon found evidence of asymptomatic infection in three species of fruit bat (Hypsignathus monstrosus, Epomops franqueti, and Myonycteris torquata)

It what?!? It's crosses so many species that we don't know? The virus can jump species at will that's just crazy. As I stated we don't even know all of the species it can infect.

INFECTIOUS DOSE: 1 - 10 aerosolized organisms are sufficient to cause infection in humans.

One organism as stated is enough to cause infection. I am posting this to get some facts out there. No one should down play this virus. This is extremely serious.

INCUBATION PERIOD: Two to 21 days, more often 4 - 9 days

That is extremely hard to contain. If I am not mistaken the incubation period for the Flu is 1 to 2 days. These people may not know they are infected for a week.

Humans may be infected by handling sick or dead non-human primates and are also at risk when handling the bodies of deceased humans in preparation for funerals, suggesting possible transmission through aerosol droplets. In the laboratory, infection through small-particle aerosols has been demonstrated in primates, and airborne spread among humans is strongly suspected

www.phac-aspc.gc.ca...

Yeah probably not airborne at all. NOTHING at all to worry about guys. Cuddle-Monger this some more. I am not scared, but I sure am concerned that this is on US soil.

Just an observation...all of the local stations are running PC heavy special segments on this, Emory's take was particularly self-serving. Basically, these are doctors who volunteered for humanitarian reasons and we owe it to them.

I say split the difference between safety and human empathy. - a medical ship.

Thay said: I wish everyone involved the very best.

Quarantine won't help with this. The true quarantine is to quarantine patients in there

a reply to: soficrow

I agree with much of what you are, and have been saying, I do on occasion spend time in your threads.

The point that I am trying to drive home is the fact that Ebola has been delivered to us in order to frighten and I dare say expose us to a major killer.

If the medical authorities had been prudent the medical care that is needed for Americans would have been delivered, not the other way around. I don't trust western medicine or the profit driven research that fuels it. None of us should after this.

Personally I am not frightened about this, but I don't work or live in the Atlanta area.

a reply to: kosmicjack

A ship was my first, gut reaction too. This is a risk. In that CNN video, they were pretty vague about who actually made this decision. Plausible deniability, I'm sure.

originally posted by: Druid42

Besides, if Ebola does go "wild" in the US, I'm not of the mindset that it would come from a hospital facility. It's much more possible to have it come in from an already infected airline passenger.

AND... Guana has banned all flights from Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea. The US? Not so much.

originally posted by: soficrow

You don't know what you are talking about: there are only four -4- facilities in the entire USA equipped to handle a disease like Ebola. And again, time is of the essence for these 2 patients - so while we may have the technology and money to "build more," we do not have the time.

.....You're right, I don't know you. But I do know that anyone who chooses to interpret a general philosophical statement as a personal attack has over-riding personal issues, which is not my problem.

You agree you don't know me and yet you claim I don't know what I'm talking about? Let's put some factual info out there for everyone. Direct from WHO:

www.who.int...

Reducing the risk of human-to-human transmission in the community arising from direct or close contact with infected patients, particularly with their bodily fluids. Close physical contact with Ebola patients should be avoided. Gloves and appropriate personal protective equipment should be worn when taking care of ill patients at home. Regular hand washing is required after visiting patients in hospital, as well as after taking care of patients at home.

Health-care workers caring for patients with suspected or confirmed Ebola virus should apply, in addition to standard precautions, other infection control measures to avoid any exposure to the patient’s blood and body fluids and direct unprotected contact with the possibly contaminated environment. When in close contact (within 1 metre) of patients with EBV, health-care workers should wear face protection (a face shield or a medical mask and goggles), a clean, non-sterile long-sleeved gown, and gloves (sterile gloves for some procedures).

Ebola has not become airborne that we know of but we have already had someone post pics of a temporary unit with reverse pressure. They would actually have better care (and quicker too since a Medical ship is already in the area) than they have now. What 4 hospitals do you refer to?

www.wbur.org...

But Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist and professor of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt University, says almost any American hospital is equipped to take care of an Ebola patient without endangering staff or the public.

If almost any hospital in the country can do it then a Medical ship can as well.

Interesting: The 20-Year-Old Ebola Treatment That Could Stop the Outbreak

They don't have enough people to test this on. Hmm.