Ebola Patient in Atlanta Hospital

originally posted by: marg6043


Now as for the Ebola in Atlanta hospital it seems to me, reckless and incredible stupid to have somebody with such an infectious disease in a place of heavy populate area.

Hate to break it to you but they wont wandering round Atlanta they are in one of the most secure isolation wards in the world.

originally posted by: raymundoko
You are...this was a planned transfer to study the disease. This patient came in no contact with anyone. ATL is where the CDC is. Emory has a containment wing for pathogen study.

a reply to: kosmicjack

Please keep reading. All of that is known and we still don't like it.

I remember Andrew, Katrina, Ike, Gustav...but particularly Katrina. I had a friend who bugged out days in advance, put her job on the line, her neighbors, friends, families and coworkers all told her she was overreacting, made fun of her, etc.

A few days later her house was under 10 feet of water. So, people can view the same situation, same facts from a totally different perspective but someone is going to be right. In this case, if the CDC is wrong, we're all screwed.

I see this as a mistake. Why?

1. Bureaucracies are notoriously impotent. In fact the CDC has just recently had several scandals (read this thread)
2. Hospitals and health care in general in America are in a state of turmoil.
3. Government rarely makes things better.
3.People already catch serious conditions in hospitals due to failed procedures.
4.Atlanta frequently drops the ball. Sorry but I live here, so...

But, I wish the patients all the best and the doctors and the researchers and Emory. I will be thrilled to be wrong.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: marg6043


Now as for the Ebola in Atlanta hospital it seems to me, reckless and incredible stupid to have somebody with such an infectious disease in a place of heavy populate area.

Hate to break it to you but they wont wandering round Atlanta they are in one of the most secure isolation wards in the world.

Yeah, sure they are. Okay. And you know this how? Whatever.

a reply to: Diabolical

People do realize that if biological warfare was used on the warring nations, it would spread to the people who don't want war and are stuck where they are. Not to mention, as they try to escape the attacks, they'll just spread it to more people increasing the chance of spreading it to the US versus bringing 2 people who we know have it versus possibly spreading it to thousands of people that we do not know

How people can casually suggest bio warfare is telling...

originally posted by: adnanmuf
French doctors been dying there for decades France being colonial of west Africa and they have the prestigious Pasteur institute. And could not contain Ebola but been dying themselves from it..the plane will shedding the Ebola virus over the Atlantic and the skies landing the virus over birds animals insects. Just one man carry the virus in the nation non wheels try to stop the Ebola epidemic!!!"

Please pick up a book on Microbiology.

originally posted by: rickymouse
How long till it spreads to your location Des? We know how good hospitals have been at keeping stuff from spreading lately. If you want an illness, just schedule a test at your hospital, they will provide you with all sorts of good antibiotic resistant types. Now they are saying all sorts of diseases can be spread through your hairdresser. I suppose that is true, just because we don't think of it doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Talk about a paranoid response. You are talking about quarantine units of the highest caliber. These people are not going to be sitting in a shared room with little Joey nursing his tonsils. Doom porn at its finest..

originally posted by: majesticgent
a reply to: Diabolical

People do realize that if biological warfare was used on the warring nations, it would spread to the people who don't want war and are stuck where they are. Not to mention, as they try to escape the attacks, they'll just spread it to more people increasing the chance of spreading it to the US versus bringing 2 people who we know have it versus possibly spreading it to thousands of people that we do not know

How people can casually suggest bio warfare is telling...

It is already spreading. What is the difference? Heck, Ebola made it to the States now. That is biological warfare. Two missonaries on a misson of god in Africa, have more concern about their families then spreading a disease from Africa? God was not the first on their list, but their families were. Transferring the disease was. Pandora's box. If they really cared for their families, and they knew, they had this disease, they would have not have brought Ebola here in the first place.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: phinubian

Well, if FEMA gets mobilised, and they do what they are SUPPOSED to do, not what various people accuse them of being intended for, then that would be the best thing for the situation, as would a military blockade of the entire perimeter of the effected city, and any city or district that reports a case.

Only medical personnel should be allowed out of doors and to move freely in that environment anyway, and even then, only if they are wearing the correct gear! A total lockdown would be the best way to minimise casualties and risk of exposure, but it would require some people taking their tin foil hats off for a second or two, and seeing the bigger picture, and stopping themselves from trying to escape any quarantine.

It's a good thing that Ebola does not have the same affect on ones psychological state as Rabies does! Rabid persons have been known to properly loose their minds, and randomly bite people! Now THAT would be a bad scenario. A mutated rabies Ebola hybrid disease!

Ebola actually share a lot of gentics with Rabies.

Just to stir the ignorant masses up with some doom porn material

About the USA? Really? By the sounds of some posters on here they will just open fire on medical professional and quarantine staff if they came in through paranoid fear

I have the MD degree since 1985 plus degrees in public health. Not all causative factors had been accounted for anything in this world.the guy who make such a claim is a crazy person.

a reply to: DoubleDNH

I have heard from many people over the last couple years about their bouts with MRSA and some other infections which they got from the hospital during a routine surgery. This small area and I know about twenty that had this happen.

I doubt if this is a rare incidence and it doesn't happen anywhere else. They have good hospitals here but there are problems with a few diseases that are transmitted. They are clean but it does not stop the spread of infection. One person even contacted something at one of the countries major hospitals.

So what makes you think that this cannot spread. There may only be a small chance in this case, but it could still spread. Is all the bedding thrown away? viruses are not killed that easy.

originally posted by: adnanmuf
I have the MD degree since 1985 plus degrees in public health. Not all causative factors had been accounted for anything in this world.the guy who make such a claim is a crazy person.

If you had a MD or even basic high school biology you should know that Viruses can not be shed from a Plane that airborne and flying over!

a reply to: Diabolical

This has been a line of thought for me as well. It's definitely a topic for another thread but, throughout all of history, missionaries have caused a helluva lot of problems for people. Helped some to be sure, but at what cost? Someone start a thread!

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: adnanmuf
I have the MD degree since 1985 plus degrees in public health. Not all causative factors had been accounted for anything in this world.the guy who make such a claim is a crazy person.

If you had a MD or even basic high school biology you should know that Viruses can not be shed from a Plane that airborne and flying over!

what?
Why not?
Every thing possible considering the positive pressure and negatives airplane have. Clearly this virus is very virulent.
In public health they have the advanced multi factor Cox axel they always leave a place for the unknown factors!

a reply to: Diabolical

Whatever their reasons are is beside the point. 2 people we know about pose less of a risk and threat than 1 person we do not know about spreading the disease at an airport, in an insecure plane, where people from that plane go all over and catch flights all over the world spreading it even further and faster than 2 people contained and quarantined in Atlanta ever could!

I give up trying to explain this panic away.

a reply to: marg6043

I do not want or like danger in my backyard either. But I categorically REFUSE to give up my liberties and freedoms for the illusion of safety. As we speak, armed soldiers and security forces are quarantining communities in West Africa - the healthy with the sick, which is the difference between isolation and quarantine. More important, the US President just signed an Executive Order expanding the list of diseases that allow forced quarantine. Remember those FEMA Camps? You think only returning Americans are going to be quarantined? You think Ebola is the only dangerous disease in the USA? You think just maybe the only reason Americans have not been quarantined en masse before is because Americans would never allow it? Before.

a reply to: kosmicjack

originally posted by: kosmicjack
Someone start a thread!

Ask and ye shall receive.

a reply to: rickymouse

I guarantee you that Emory's containment unit will be employing BSL-4 protocols. This means the facility has a self contained water source. Anyone leaving the facility will undergo a number of decontamination methods. On top of that anybody that goes in won't be breathing the same air as the patients as they'll wearing suits with their own air supply. These are the same protocols that have allowed labs across the country to study Ebola without causing an outbreak.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: PraetorianAZ
Yeah but how long hs this person been in the US with the virus but not showing symptoms??? How many people have come in contact who could be infected right now and are infecting others and dont even know it?

Good thing im in AZ. Im locking my doors and loading my guns

Really? That such a paranoid responce.

I suggest reading the FACTS it was a planned transfer from africa.

They would have had zero contact outside of medical personal.

Really? I think it's a perfectly legitimate response to a killer disease.

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: MrLimpet
This may be a subject for a new thread.

CDC designates El Paso as quarantine site, including for Ebola

El Paso - TX - The Centers for Disease Control has designated El Paso as one of 20 quarantine stations for infectious diseases, including Ebola.
The Sun City is part of a comprehensive system designed to prevent the spread of the disease in the United States.

While ebola has never been detected in the U.S., that doesn't mean it can't make its way to the country. The biggest concern is at airports with international flights and ports of entry, which there are a lot of in the Borderland.

"It's a scary virus ... Definitely," said Dr. Hector Ocaranza, the health authority for the El Paso City/County Health Department. "Terribly deadly. It's one of those viral hemorragic fevers. They haven't found where it's coming from, if it's coming from an animal to the human or what. But we know there is human tissue transmission."

That means it cannot be contracted like the flu, through the air. It can only be spread by direct contact with bodily fluids like saliva or secretions.

The CDC released a map showing the 20 quarantine stations designated across the country, including El Paso, mostly where international travelers arrive. The closest ones are in San Diego and Dallas.

El Paso's CDC offices are located in West El Paso off Sunland Park Drive.

Dr. Miguel Escobedo runs the offices, but would speak with ABC-7 on camera.

However, he told ABC-7 if someone needed to be quarantined for ebola here in El Paso, they would immediately be sent to the hospital.

link

NYC is having a bioterror drill.

NEW YORK (MYFOXNY) -
The New York City Department of Health conducted a massive emergency preparedness drill at 30 facilities across the city on Friday.

They tested the delivery of emergency medications in the event of a biological attack, such as anthrax, or other large-scale public health emergency in the city. The majority of the deliveries will take place to public school buildings.

It's the largest surprise drill in the city's history. The drill was scheduled to take place from approximately 6:30 a.m. until 3:00 p.m. The majority of participants were given no notice to better test and simulate a real emergency and response.

and here

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Interesting turn of events. If one were of a conspiratorial mindset. It would lead one to wonder if Ebola has already entered the States via some other means, than on a U.S. Defense Dept hastily thrown together medivac Gulf stream aircraft.

IDK about the rest of you...but, my hinky meter is red lining at the moment...

Des

originally posted by: majesticgent
a reply to: Diabolical

Whatever their reasons are is beside the point. 2 people we know about pose less of a risk and threat than 1 person we do not know about spreading the disease at an airport, in an insecure plane, where people from that plane go all over and catch flights all over the world spreading it even further and faster than 2 people contained and quarantined in Atlanta ever could!

I give up trying to explain this panic away.

No it's not, they wouldn't be here otherwise. If god was supposedly the misson of their work, they would have stayed where they were. Not come back to states to infect others. Which they are doing. But to them, that is gods misson and biological warfare. They are terrorists. Simple as that. And the African person who snuck on the plane and died later, was probably also infected, which is why he tried to leave.