The Absurdness of Conspiracy Theories (The Truth About MH17, Why Do People Not Want To See It?)

To answer the original question:
You gotta QUESTION some official stories before: "WELL, WHAT DOES IT MATTER, NOW?!"

THAT seems to be a bunch of govs' rulers' catch-phrase since way back. (Don't worry, though. As long as it was for the "greater good," right?)

Also, there's a difference between "considering" and "believing."
I believe a smart man thinks things through before coming to his conclusions, if any.

That being said, I wouldn't doubt if the rebels shot it down. Even though hindsight's 20/20, and MH17 was a tragedy, who would want ANY airplane, that THEY didn't clear first, flying over them during wartime? Who, in their right mind, would want their plane to fly OVER, or even near a war-zone?

I take your point and understand your position, but there is another thread of data in the mix that makes the "rebel mistake" theory a bit more complicated. The flight path for the MH17 flight is usually much further south and at a higher altitude than ended up being the case for this particular flight. This information makes me believe Kiev was in on it. The remaining question is whether it was a matter of Kiev sending the plane into harms way, knowing that the rebels had a BUK and an itchy trigger finger, or whether they sent it to where they had planted their own BUK close to rebel territory and felt confident they could pin it on them. The other wild card is the eyewitness reports about jets escorting the plane before it went down and whether the jets were an "insurance policy" that served to make the rebels believe it was a high value target or made sure that the plane went down, even if the ground fire failed to get the job done.
a reply to: aguywhoknowsaguy

a reply to: NoRulesAllowed

Go back to the Titanic disaster. White Star Lines has a policy to slow things down at the threat of ice bergs. So what did Titanic's bridge crew do? They slowed down what should have been a new record for the Atlantic crossing, by one whole knot. Ditto the Ukrainian Ground controllers, who ordered MH 17 to slip in just barely above the no fly zone over Donetsk. Both cases reek of "depraved indifference". Both cases got tons of innocents killed.

If Titanic had slowed down to half speed, they probably would have made it to New York City. If Ukrainian ground control had let that pilot go up to or above 35,000 feet, the rebels would also have had a better chance to discern it was an airliner. Both Titanic and MH 17's command deck made snap decisions which doomed each of them.

It will be miserable to try and sort this out. And I bet both Captains will get blamed, as they cannot defend themselves..

originally posted by: 3v0lv3r


.......so if I had to point a finger now (in advance of the full investigation), I would point it at the Ukrainian Interior Ministry, as they stand to gain the most from getting the US and NATO involved to help them defeat the rebels. The rebels don't really gain anything from it.
a reply to: NoRulesAllowed

I agree with your assessment to a large degree, but ask whether the Ukraine Interior Ministry would come up with this plan

themselves and take the chance of becoming a pariah, to not only Russia, but the rest of the world?

Or were they told to take out an airliner, and make it look like Russian Terrorists?

I can't believe the USA could do something as ruthless as that.

Could the entire affair be a ruse de guerre?

Stranger things have happened.

Wat??
It is all over the internet...
If it's on the internet is HAS to e True...Right?

originally posted by: NoRulesAllowed
But sometimes I cannot wrap my head around WHY people prefer far-fetched conspiracy theories over a truth which is right there, before anyone's eyes.

Simple answer......People are idiots..look around..does this look like a planet run by intelligent practical logic loving beings???? ahh youth... so full of hope.

To the OP: This was a false flag operation by the US of A to create an international incident to badger Russia and impose tighter sanctions. To hate Russia.

If you hate Russia, you will automatically love us and help us build the NWO! Russia is a spanner in the works.

Now, how did they down MH 17? Elementary my dear Watson. They employed an X-Ray laser from a satellite of the Brilliant Pebbles program (which was the crowning achievement of the Strategic Defense Initiative). Though cancelled by the later BMDO project, the elements of the BP program are alive and kicking!

I love conspiracies. Is what I've written one of them? You decide!

originally posted by: NoRulesAllowed

originally posted by: Dimithae
a reply to: NoRulesAllowed

" What is more logical? There are 100 reasons why it was not the Ukrainians, for starters, they don't even have a BUK."
They don't? Thats odd because I have seen numerous sources saying they did.

Can you cite some of those sources?

Seriously, how bad at the internet are you?

Ukrainian Ground Forces - Vehicles - Wikipedia

It lists approx 60 Buk systems. Among many other anti-aircraft missile systems the Ukrainian forces have.

searching for basic info has NEVER BEEN EASIER...

OP complains about MH17 threads for being MH17 threads then makes an MH17 thread himself...

a reply to: CloudsTasteMetallic

or insert boogey-man

Yes & boogeyman for people such as you is bad case of Russo-phobia! Boogey man is still a boogeyman even when its not a sinister secret group according to JBS definitions. .Btw over conspiracies i see so this means you are here to troll or what?

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

There are many possibilities and since you do not know ''the truth'', perhaps you could refrain from judging those of a more rational nature that choose to exercise their own faculties and sense of justice to gather facts and data before making any irrational conclusions

Well that's nice but not even our illustrious global leaders appear to do that any more so you can hardly expect better standards from the peons.
Its all about finger pointing, boogeyman, rogue nations, scapegoating,now get the picture!. Rational judgment is no longer a Globalist protocol.

a reply to: 3v0lv3r

Thanks for bringing this up, I had heard some of this in conversation as well but thanks for the link as well.
The way I see it (and I'm only going to state opinion, openly acknowledging I don't know enough to reach a conclusion) is that every angle you wanna take on this incident has become complicated due to conflicting witness and news reports, so I won't write off the possibility of some kind of error entirely. As I said earlier though, at this stage with so much back and forth from all different types of sources it's just something to take into consideration. It doesn't carry much weight, but then again it's arguable that no take on this story carries all that much weight to it either. Too much b.s. to sort through that any facts buried in there are going to get distorted. Thank you for giving me more to think about, I really don't have any opinion as to what actually happened yet, there are convenience factors for all parties involved which makes it even harder to make an educated guess.

I'm just gonna sit back and read everything that y'all have to say combined with the reports coming out, some of the things people are saying about this are thought provoking and I think that somewhere in this mess we'll be able to piece together a good idea of what really happened. But for now my jury's out, need more input.

originally posted by: 74joff
a reply to: CloudsTasteMetallic

or insert boogey-man

Yes & boogeyman for people such as you is bad case of Russo-phobia! Boogey man is still a boogeyman even when its not a sinister secret group according to JBS definitions. .Btw over conspiracies i see so this means you are here to troll or what?

Quite the contrary. I came of age after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and am therefore not indoctrinated with the fear of Russia, as many of the older generation who grew up living in fear of those "big bad commies" in the Cold War era. A life lived in fear is no life worth living, in my opinion.

As this is a forum for exchanging ideas, I only wished to present an alternative viewpoint.

Seems as though this incident has brought out a lot of "black and white" thinking, with little consideration for the grey areas betwixt. The truth is often found somewhere in the middle.

a reply to: Psynic

All good questions Psynic, to which I don't (yet) have the answers. 9/11, Sandy Hook, Maidan and Boston (among others) tell me that the US can be very ruthless indeed, so I do not rule them out as the instigators. Victoria "F..k the EU" Nuland has a lot of dogs in this fight and the Svboda dominated Ministry of the Interior were her chosen ones to conduct the coup in the first place.

I also view the timing as an interesting co-incidence with the commencement of the ground operation in Gaza. I believe there was only 15 minutes difference in the plane going down and Israeli ground forces crossing the phase line. It is pretty convenient in terms of removing the full intensity of the media spotlight from the ensuing massacre.

I believe there are lots of moving parts here, but I somehow feel they are related/co-ordinated. There is a hint of desperation in them as well, as if TPTB are feeling they are losing momentum and the people are getting a good deal less credulous when these things happen.

The Syria Nerve Gas Ploy and the Boko-Haram Bring Back Our Girls actions didn't really bear fruit. ISIS is stalling out in the news cycles and they are trying desperately to keep us in a constant state of fear. I think we are just getting tired of war and conflict and being lied to all the time. Hopefully we are collectively beginning to learn from our mistakes and seeing through these plots that deceive most of us and enrich and empower only a few.

originally posted by: 3v0lv3r
a reply to: Psynic


I believe there are lots of moving parts here, but I somehow feel they are related/co-ordinated.

ISIS is stalling out in the news cycles and they are trying desperately to keep us in a constant state of fear.

I'm more afraid of the things they conceal than those they promote.

When Japan passed a law making the reporting on the three meltdowns at Fukushima illegal, my fear level increased drastically.

a reply to: 74joff

Exactly, but it should be.

Nations full of ''bunnies in the banking /corporate / government / spin doctor headlights'' is no way for government modus operandi.

Rational judgment is no longer a Globalist protocol

I think it is amazing how in a place that promotes THOUGHT, REASONING, and hopefully LOGIC.... so many people have flamed the OP.

Everyone's attack on him/her seems to be:

1. He *gasp* used a post from twitter in his pursuit of evidence (here's a fun fact, yes fact for you guys: So do news agencies, government agencies, and the authorities when trying to investigate crimes).

2. How DARE he ask us not to question anything. After all, questioning leads to discovery, right!? RIGHT!!?

Well, to answer that, he NEVER requested you guys not question anything. In fact, as far as he is concerned, I assume he would be all for questioning things. However, his QUESTION he POSED was why would you BELIEVE in random theories that have NO supporting evidence, over a theory that has SOLID evidence, even video evidence of the russian supporters shooting down the plane, posted by THEMSELVES.

He isn't asking you not to question.....instead he is asking you to QUESTION, and when you find answers, the most logical and obvious, why not stick with it until you find EVIDENCE to the contrary?


Honestly though, the fact that the OP got flamed and attacked so heavily just further assures me that he is on to something. If what he posted made no sense, or was outlandish, or just BS - either no one would have noticed, and his thread wouldn't have gotten hardly any replies, or people would have cheered him on, congratulating him for thinking "outside of the box".

Good job, OP.

"In Torez in the morning of 21 July, the “DPR” had assured the SMM that the train would be allowed to leave for Kharkiv as soon as the remaining bodies had been loaded, and provided it was accompanied by the Dutch forensics experts and two SMM monitors. This was subsequently not possible due to the reported shelling of one of the railway stations in Donetsk city during the day. The “DPR” instead agreed to guard and move the train to a safe location in Donetsk city."

OSCE.org

Who shelled the train station?
I know for sure, but of course western media doesnt tell you that...

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Most people do.

a reply to: NoRulesAllowed

We live in a time where so many things can be falsified. Where the NSA and TPTB are creating the information THEY want us to know and believe.

I think given recent news about changing and controlling information on Wikipedia, forums, polls, etc. to the Facebook emotion experiment.

The fact is, they are trying to keep us in a state of confusion, at the worst, and at the best a state of unknown. They even rely on conspiracy theorists to argue among themselves about what really happened - it ensures that even the ones that are close to being right look crazy.

The only fact that I will agree on at this point is that an airplane was shot down. Beyond this fact nothing is 100% knowable.