The Absurdness of Conspiracy Theories (The Truth About MH17, Why Do People Not Want To See It?)

So I'm supposed to trust my government?

I have managed to keep out of these threads and hold my tongue, er, fingers, but it's really hard to do so when your great aunt was a morticians wife, and has seen just about every situation at all stages of the human body in death. When she tells me that what she sees in those photos are people who have died days ago..... well, I'm going to believe her. And that's all I care to say on this subject. Something is very very wrong.

a reply to: NoRulesAllowed

Hell whats even worse is the politicians playing beat around the bush about who did it. The EU rapid reaction forces with Ukraine should have stormed in there that day and sealed off the area.

Just goes to show who is responsible, RUSSIA!!

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

The same “unified” media scammed us into the literal destruction and death of a million Iraqis and 5000 US soldiers.

That’s enough for me!

How many times does one have to be fooled?

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.

Abraham Lincoln

originally posted by: Richardus

originally posted by: NoRulesAllowed


AGAIN: The commander of the rebels himself posted a proud msg they shot down an alleged military plane.
And again I am asking..what more evidence do you even need?

Problem is; you can't be sure that was a tweet really posted by that commander on a twitter account really made by him or one of his comrads. It might be a fake tweet on a fake account, as has been done/used very very often before. The time it's existed and number of followers don't mean anything because intelligence between possible staged events like this aren't that stupid to leave anything by chance and will prepare things long time before hand.

Sorry for you, but you can't trust any information on the internet, certainly not concerning international political affairs. Not any. Nor any other news outlets, for that matter. Hard to get to reality huh.

Don't even trust this above piece of information on not trusting information!
It's really disinformation, you see.
Well, it's on the Internet.

Well, what isn't?
My books are - physical. But as soon as I share a photo of a page - it's on the Internet again...
There we go. I got a bigger problem than I can handle...

although ... on second thought that could be misinformation.

At the end of the day we can't resolve this without hard evidence but we can only speculate by the actions of the groups involved in this situation, I don't think we can rely on internet posts to prove anything.
The oppressors are so cunning they can most likely put up fake posts on fake accounts, alter view counts on any social media network or youtube ,they could even be spreading mis-info through this site.

I personally believe this is another false flag operation just from watching the news reports on tv, Its easy to see how the media are quick to blame the pro-russians(ukranians). They talk so much # like rebels have been taking personal belongings form deceased wallets are going missing and jewelry and the bodies are being mistreated and thrown around, just stirring straight #. how # is anything salvageable from that wreckage.

total bull#

I don't know what they're planning but for 2 major plane incidents to happen close together both involving Malaysian airlines. What is next??

a reply to: voyger2

I don't know for a fact that jet fighters did change their trajectory. I guess i'll be waiting for proof of that.

a reply to: VoxVirtus

I know originally Russia made a smart move in refusing to take custody of the boxes. If they changed their mind, or left them with the rebels, i don't know.

The reason they refused to take custody was obviously because that would give the Ukraine a chance to say they tampered with them. That might look good on Russia because if they knew they/their rebels were guilty then they might WANT to tamper with them.

It's all a waiting game.

Oh yeah that unquestionable Truth... And those CLUES you are turning into undeniable culprits with that magic wand....

OP's main logic fallacy: even if those rebels had a Buk missile system, it's no indication they used it to shoot that plane, and not the only way to shoot down a commercial airplane. The Ukrainian army can easily take down airliners with their fighter jets, and they got the tracking and radar systems to see them coming, just as EUROCONTROL has the tech to jam communications of commercial airliners, as they did with several airliners above Austria about a month ago... Probably just to test their systems.

And they probably did...

A second point... If you're pissed of about conspiracy theories (that you are yourself posting as this thread of yours) then perhaps you could move to Mediamatters, or something. ATS is officially a conspiracy forum.

originally posted by: Expat888
You fell for the fairytale the americans created ... dont worry your not alone 80% of the population is susceptible to brainwashing/propaganda ..

The fairytale the Americans created? Dont you think Putin would have called them out on it? An Airliner went down. If it was downed by a bomb on board, or a NATO stealth aircraft dont you think Putin would have picked up on it?

a reply to: NoRulesAllowed

Has I have stated in many threads already i ask, to the truth seekers:

Why STILL don't We know the answer for this basic Question:

Where are the recordings from Kiev aerial traffic control?

why it's taking so long to listen to that recordings?

Aren't they essential to determinate the conversations between the pilot and control, before, during and after the change on the flight route to the conflict zone?

Why we immediately ear from Ukraine "secret services" the rebels conversation instead of Kiev Aerial Traffic control?

Why these kind of questions aren't asked on the media?

a reply to: voyger2

Makes it seem kinda funny that they came out with audio they allege proves the rebels are guilty (that Russia says is pieced together from other incidences) yet can't get the control tower or any other info out to us.

Hmmmm..

can someone explain this tweet and its date JUNE 17

mobile.twitter.com...

Скоро над Руиной будет сбит лайнер битком набитый невинными евро-туристами. Це явится поводом для официального приглашения НАТО. Так вижу.

Soon will be shot down over the ruins of the liner packed full of innocent euro-tourists. Tse will be the occasion for the official invitation to NATO. So I see.

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seems preplanned....

It's a tweet. What more can you say?

a reply to: NoRulesAllowed

Why not label your post appropriately rather than have a general statement against conspiracy theories like that?

If you hate conspiracy theories you should post in another more appropriate section rather than tie it into your argument against this one.

a reply to: haven123

Another good question Is by whom? Rebels or Ukrainians ?

a reply to: NoRulesAllowed

Is this the smoking gun or at least one of the first motives discussed?

www.independent.co.uk... 9613821.html

www.youtube.com...=723

originally posted by: Cablespider
It's a tweet. What more can you say?

it was a month prior to the exact date the plane was shot down. if that was a coincidece i want that guy to give me some lotto numbers.

a reply to: haven123

at this moment we can't prove nothing either against rebels or Ukrainians. But, for theorizing matters, if it is proved later on, that this incident was indirectly (by forcing the flight path to the war zone and/or tail a SU25 to the flight ) or directly (by forcing the flight path to the war zone and shooting down by them selfs the plain blaming the rebels) then this tweet will prove the evil minds behind these event and prove the pre planned assassination of citizens.

a reply to: voyger2

The date baffles me this is no accident, of course thats just my opinion...

a reply to: haven123

I agree with you.

For me this Cries for pre planning ... And the evidence is so obvious that I just can believe that some one is so stupid to come out to world announce is going to crash an international flight, adding comments and replies on the tweet at 17 of june and when he does, precisely one month later, then at 18 of july, that little tweet suddenly comes to life.. and even stays there for everyone to see. This is dumb all the away ...

at this point, and I'm building my own opinion with a certain confidence, that probably the Ukraine military had this planned since they started to observe the shooting down of Ukrainian plains on the conflict zone by the rebels.