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originally posted by: KyoZero
a reply to: MarlinGrace
and you know what? I am JUST as guilty of said attacks as anyone else.
Yeah the testing thing concerns me. I mean I drink, but never drive if I have more than one cocktail because I don't want to kill someone and I sure don't want a DUI on my record. I am no scientist. I wonder if one of dem all smart type folks can invent a more immediate test for THC that can be done accurately and without doubt as to whether the THC in the system was old or brand new?
I have no clue...I don't know crap about science. Sure would save a lot of problems though.
But regardless of my overall desire for legalization, NOBODY intoxicated on ANY substance should ever drive or oprate something that can harm others.
More Colorado drivers in fatal crashes positive for pot, study says
By John Ingold
The Denver Post
Posted: 05/15/2014 04:02:14 PM MDT79 Comments
Updated: 05/15/2014 11:35:49 PM MDT
Two new University of Colorado studies paint an ominous picture of the direction of the state since marijuana commercialization, but neither provides conclusive evidence that legal pot is causing harm.
One study shows more drivers involved in fatal car accidents in Colorado are testing positive for marijuana — and that Colorado has a higher percentage of such drivers testing positive for pot than other states even when controlled for several variables. But the data the researchers use does not reveal whether those drivers were impaired at the time of the crash or whether they were at fault.
"The primary result of this study may simply reflect a general increase in marijuana use during this ... time period in Colorado," the study's authors write.
The other study shows that perceptions of marijuana's risk have decreased across all age groups with the boom in marijuana businesses in the state. The study also finds that near-daily marijuana use among adults increased significantly starting in 2009, relative to states without medical marijuana laws. But the study's authors acknowledge that they cannot show Colorado's marijuana laws are the reason for the shifts in attitudes and use.
"Even though causality cannot be established, Colorado would be wise to implement prevention efforts regarding marijuana and make treatment for those with marijuana use disorders more broadly available," the study concludes.
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The Colorado State Patrol only just this year began keeping track of marijuana-impaired driving arrests. So far this year, 228 people have been cited in impaired-driving cases involving marijuana. Those cases make up about 13 percent of total impaired-driving citations issued by the State Patrol.
John Ingold: 303-954-1068, [email protected] or twitter.com/john_ingold
Today, I applaud the American Medical Association, the United States’ largest professional organization for physicians, for rejecting marijuana legalization — and the launch of another tobacco-like industry. The AMA has issued a clarion call despite heavy pressure to remain neutral on this subject.
Neutral. No reputable doctor or scientist who truly understands the harms this addictive substance inflicts on health and safety — especially on the health and safety of children — could remain neutral. I’m pleased to see the AMA went even further by calling for full funding of the Office of National Drug Control Policy and for thorough study of the impacts of marijuana legalization on the states of Colorado and Washington, where rates of THC-impaired drivers reportedly are soaring.
The AMA’s stance is aligned with the stance of Smart Approaches to Marijuana, also known as Project SAM. I am honored to serve alongside SAM’s co-founders, former U.S. Rep. Patrick Kennedy and former White House senior drug policy advisor Kevin Sabet, on SAM’s board of directors. I invite you to learn more about SAM’s stances on marijuana and public health, marijuana as medicine, marijuana and legal reform.
SAM issued this statement about today’s AMA decision:
NATIONAL HARBOR, MD — The delegates at the 2013 Interim Meeting of the American Medical Association (AMA) House of Delegates, in National Harbor, Maryland, today voted to pass a resolution on marijuana, “Council of Science & Public Health Report 2 in Reference Committee K,” explicitly opposing marijuana legalization and fending off a challenge to “neutralize” their position.
The report changes H-95.998 AMA Policy Statement on Cannabis to read in part: “Our AMA believes that (1) cannabis is a dangerous drug and as such is a public health concern; (2) sale and possession of cannabis should not be legalized.”
“The AMA today reiterated the widely held scientific view that marijuana is dangerous and should not be legalized,” said Dr. Stuart Gitlow, chairman-elect of the AMA Council on Science and Health and a member of SAM’s board. “We can only hope that the public will listen to science, not Big Marijuana interests, which stand to gain millions of dollars from increased addiction rates.”
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There is no current scientific evidence that marijuana is in any way beneficial for the treatment of any psychiatric disorder. In contrast, current evidence supports, at minimum, a strong association of cannabis use with the onset of psychiatric disorders. Adolescents are particularly vulnerable to harm, given the effects of cannabis on neurological development.
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originally posted by: tothetenthpower
Yet the moral fabric of America remains un-tainted..
Rest of the article..
Six months on, Colorado’s marijuana shops are mushrooming, with support from local consumers, weed tourists and federal government taking a wait-and-see attitude.
Tax dollars are pouring in, crime is down in Denver, and few of the early concerns about social breakdown have materialized – at least so far.
“The sky hasn’t fallen, but we’re a long way from knowing the unintended consequences,” said Andrew Freeman, director of marijuana coordination for Colorado. “This is a huge social and economic question.”
To think that given people some freedom would get positive results!
In the first four months, marijuana sales amounted to more than $202 million, about a third of them recreational. Taxes from recreational sales were almost $11 million.
So further down the line, we are still seeing that the benefits outweight the risks. Hell they've only had two deaths attributed to this and anybody who knows anything about pot will tell you that those people died of idiocy, not pot smoking. I would also venture a guess there were more than 2 alcohol or other drug related deaths in the same time frame.
In any case, crime is down, revenue is up.
What more do you people want?
~Tenth
originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
So what?
It up to that individual if they want to take the risk.
If someone wants to drink bleach let them.
What the pint of jailing people for possession? If they want to harm themselves or take whatever let them. Jailing and prosecuting them not going to fix anything, just bleed money and make there situation more miserable.
For someone that spouts individual rights about guns id expect some tolerance.
originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
BTW, the American Psychiatric Association has a similar stance on MJ.
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There is no current scientific evidence that marijuana is in any way beneficial for the treatment of any psychiatric disorder. In contrast, current evidence supports, at minimum, a strong association of cannabis use with the onset of psychiatric disorders. Adolescents are particularly vulnerable to harm, given the effects of cannabis on neurological development.
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www.psychiatry.org...
originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: NavyDoc
Exactly.
Also as you likely know. 99% of hard drug users have mental health issues or are stuck in poverty or both and use these substances as a form of self medication to escape.
What the point of throwing them in jail?
Jail is one huge drug den. Not only do you come out still addicted to drugs but feeling more depressed and more worthless and on top stuck with a criminal record that renders you a 2nd class citizen unable to do all but the most low paid menial jobs. Talk about make the situation that made you turn to drugs worse!
As fo Cannabis? Most are normal everyday people. Most the people I was at uni with experimented with it. None of them are drop out junkies, there microbiologists, Biochemists, pharmacists and Doctors.
Throwing them in jail would just reduce them to the level of the hard drug users and likely push them into hard drugs while in jail plus ruin there future.
Its a pointless exercise jailing people for drug possession.
Crime is down: Obviously. If we take away speed limits, speeding tickets will be down. However, still just as many parking tickets, expired plates tickets, etc.
originally posted by: NavyDoc
We saw the same effect after alcohol prohibition was ended in the 1930's. The WOD is just as foolish as Prohibition.
Cannabis and its Effects on Pilot Performance
and Flight Safety: A Review
Dr David G. Newman
MB, BS, DAvMed, PhD, MRAeS, MAICD, AFAIM
Aviation Medicine Consultant
Adviser to the ATSB
Released in accordance with s.25 of the Transport Safety Investigation Act 2003 (Cth).
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Cannabis is a commonly used recreational drug, which has widespread effects within the body.
Smoking is the most common form of administration. The adverse effects of cannabis on
behaviour, cognitive function and psychomotor performance are dose-dependent and related to
task difficulty. Complex tasks such as driving or flying are particularly sensitive to the
performance impairing effects of cannabis. Chronic cannabis use is associated with a number of
adverse health effects, and there is evidence suggesting the development of tolerance to chronic
use as well as a well-defined withdrawal syndrome. There is also evidence that the residual
effects of cannabis can last up to 24 hours. Significantly, the modern dose of cannabis is much
more potent than in the past, when the majority of the research was conducted. As such, the
reported adverse health effects may well be conservative. Although only a limited number of
studies have examined the effects of cannabis on pilot performance, the results overall have been
consistent. Flying skills deteriorate, and the number of minor and major errors committed by
the pilot increase, while at the same time the pilot is often unaware of any performance
problems. Cannabis use in a pilot is therefore a significant flight safety hazard.
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Myths and Current Research
INTRODUCTION
Second only to alcohol, marijuana is the most popular and widely used drug in the United States. According to the National Survey on Drug Use and Health, 95 million Americans age 12 and older have tried pot at least once. By 2001, the proportion of under-18 users had increased by 67% since the 1960’s. Researchers attribute this to the significant increase of pro-drug messages in multimedia venues. Students of all ages today have access to the Internet where they can easily find websites that promote marijuana use, kits for beating drug tests, and can advertise and sell marijuana and paraphernalia. Meanwhile, the prevalence of higher potency marijuana (which is measured by the levels of THC delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol) is increasing.
According to the Office of National Drug Control Policy, marijuana is much more powerful and so are the mind-altering effects associated with use. Average THC levels rose from less than one percent in the mid-1970s to more than six percent in 2002. This means that even what is considered just skunk weed, can be six to ten times more potent than what was available in the 60’s and 70’s. No marijuana is the same; dealers can mix marijuana with other substances, from oregano to being laced with PCP, which means you can’t rely on what you are getting. Sinsemilla potency increased in the past two decades from six percent to more than 13 percent, with some samples containing THC levels of up to 33 percent.
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
originally posted by: NavyDoc
We saw the same effect after alcohol prohibition was ended in the 1930's. The WOD is just as foolish as Prohibition.
Except for the fact that with MJ you don't need to smoke 3-6 joints to have impaired motor skills, impaired judgement, a slowed reaction time, etc.
With one joint you get to the high that alcohol gives you after heavy consumption. So essentially it is the same as legalizing drunk driving. Not to mention that the effects of MJ persist much longer than the effects of alcohol.
Here is an excerpt and link to research that was done to pilots after smoking one joint.
Cannabis and its Effects on Pilot Performance
and Flight Safety: A Review
Dr David G. Newman
MB, BS, DAvMed, PhD, MRAeS, MAICD, AFAIM
Aviation Medicine Consultant
Adviser to the ATSB
Released in accordance with s.25 of the Transport Safety Investigation Act 2003 (Cth).
...
Cannabis is a commonly used recreational drug, which has widespread effects within the body.
Smoking is the most common form of administration. The adverse effects of cannabis on
behaviour, cognitive function and psychomotor performance are dose-dependent and related to
task difficulty. Complex tasks such as driving or flying are particularly sensitive to the
performance impairing effects of cannabis. Chronic cannabis use is associated with a number of
adverse health effects, and there is evidence suggesting the development of tolerance to chronic
use as well as a well-defined withdrawal syndrome. There is also evidence that the residual
effects of cannabis can last up to 24 hours. Significantly, the modern dose of cannabis is much
more potent than in the past, when the majority of the research was conducted. As such, the
reported adverse health effects may well be conservative. Although only a limited number of
studies have examined the effects of cannabis on pilot performance, the results overall have been
consistent. Flying skills deteriorate, and the number of minor and major errors committed by
the pilot increase, while at the same time the pilot is often unaware of any performance
problems. Cannabis use in a pilot is therefore a significant flight safety hazard.
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www.skybrary.aero...
That research was conducted when MJ was less potent than it is now. There are studies that show the potency of MJ has increased 6-10 times from the dose of the 1960s and 70s.
Myths and Current Research
INTRODUCTION
Second only to alcohol, marijuana is the most popular and widely used drug in the United States. According to the National Survey on Drug Use and Health, 95 million Americans age 12 and older have tried pot at least once. By 2001, the proportion of under-18 users had increased by 67% since the 1960’s. Researchers attribute this to the significant increase of pro-drug messages in multimedia venues. Students of all ages today have access to the Internet where they can easily find websites that promote marijuana use, kits for beating drug tests, and can advertise and sell marijuana and paraphernalia. Meanwhile, the prevalence of higher potency marijuana (which is measured by the levels of THC delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol) is increasing.
According to the Office of National Drug Control Policy, marijuana is much more powerful and so are the mind-altering effects associated with use. Average THC levels rose from less than one percent in the mid-1970s to more than six percent in 2002. This means that even what is considered just skunk weed, can be six to ten times more potent than what was available in the 60’s and 70’s. No marijuana is the same; dealers can mix marijuana with other substances, from oregano to being laced with PCP, which means you can’t rely on what you are getting. Sinsemilla potency increased in the past two decades from six percent to more than 13 percent, with some samples containing THC levels of up to 33 percent.
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oade.nd.edu...
originally posted by: NavyDoc
Your comment is flawed in that someone who is not used to drinking can be legally and practically impaired after one drink, regardless the BAC.
No one advocated driving while impaired. Can you say that someone who indulges in a joint at home is any more a threat to others than someone who has a six pack of beer at home?
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A good guide is to drink no more than one drink per hour because that’s all your body can process. A standardized drink is equivalent to one 12 oz. beer, a 5 oz. glass of wine or a 1 ½ oz. shot of hard liquor.
A standardized drink is the amount of alcohol the average person can metabolize in about one hour. It is important to know that most mixed drinks, coolers, and strong ales or lagers may contain more than twice the average amount of alcohol
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Duration of Effects: Effects from smoking cannabis products are felt within minutes and reach their peak in 10-30 minutes. Typical marijuana smokers experience a high that lasts approximately 2 hours. Most behavioral and physiological effects return to baseline levels within 3-5 hours after drug use, although some investigators have demonstrated residual effects in specific behaviors up to 24 hours, such as complex divided attention tasks. Psychomotor impairment can persist after the perceived high has dissipated. In long term users, even after periods of abstinence, selective attention (ability to filter out irrelevant information) has been shown to be adversely affected with increasing duration of use, and speed of information processing has been shown to be impaired with increasing frequency of use. Dronabinol has an onset of 30-60 minutes, peak effects occur at 2-4 hours, and it can stimulate the appetite for up to 24 hours.
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Panel’s Assessment of Driving Risks: Low doses of THC moderately impair cognitive and psychomotor tasks associated with driving, while severe driving impairment is observed with high doses, chronic use and in combination with low doses of alcohol The more difficult and unpredictable the task, the more likely marijuana will impair performance.
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