AZ residents at chemtrail hearing: ‘We’re being sprayed like we’re bugs and it’s really not

a reply to: Witness2008
So where is the evidence?

Asking for evidence is not an attack or an insult.

I am a scientist by training. If somebody could show me some evidence that there is poison being sprayed in the skies by aircraft then I would certainly re-evaluate my opinion. I breathe air too! I don't want to breathe poison!

That is what scientists do: look at evidence and decide what is likely to be true.

So go on, show me some evidence. Convince me. Give me some analysis.

All I am seeing is photos of contrails and a total misunderstanding of atmospheric physics. And you wonder why I think the whole theory is silly?

I don't understand why, if people are so concerned about this supposed threat to their health, don't gather some scientific evidence! What on earth is stopping them? I'd love to see an analysis of a "spray", but not one person can provide one!

If I thought planes were spraying me and my family then you can bet I'd be taking the best photos I could, videoing them, taking air samples, getting them analysed, the works.
Anything to get solid proof.

a reply to: Witness2008

I curtailed my involvement in these threads long ago as I was so weary of seeing the thinly veiled insults toward members that know something not so healthy is happening in our skies.

Care to point us in the direction that shows anything, and I do mean anything is actually being sprayed into our atmosphere?

Of course nobody is saying that jet exhaust is healthy, but to say they are something other than jet exhaust is a fallacy with no evidence to back the claim.

And there are more insults coming from those who believe chemtrails exist than you see from debunkers, and that is proven so just look at any thread in this forum and your guaranteed to see the troll or shill moniker show up.

In fact it happened in the first ten posts of this very thread...which btw was removed.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: ~Lucidity

Who said this is proof but you? There is a larger point to this having had happened, been hidden, and been denied.

So then what was the reason to post they did that if you weren't trying to imply they are hiding chemtrails?

I am merely pointing out that his has happened before and is not beyond the realms of probability or possibility that there is in fact something going on. I would also add, again. that anyone who works so very hard, using the same few refrerences, to say there is no possibility is probably one with an agenda or is in some deep denial.

As to the repeated, asinine requests to "sample the air" (yeah let me fly around the sky on my broom after these planes) or the weird things that grow from the dust, good luck finding someone to do it for you. They won't. Trust me on that one too.

a reply to: Witness2008
Yeah, I know. I've been watching this since the mid-90s, and as I've said, rarely participate. There is no real discussion to be had, and, to me, the ferocity with which the same few seem to attack speaks volumes.

Those are my thoughts too...weaponization or shielding us from something (hot spots) or from seeing something (as in Tesla shield shimmer). Geo-engineering or maybe weather manipulation might be my other thoughts.

One day there will be disease correlations made or reports disclosed. We probably won't be around when that happens.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

There are numerous companies out there that will operate sampling flights for anyone with the money to do it. A number of groups that believe in chemtrails have had the money, and not once have they tried to get a sample to prove them.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: ~Lucidity

Who said this is proof but you? There is a larger point to this having had happened, been hidden, and been denied.

So then what was the reason to post they did that if you weren't trying to imply they are hiding chemtrails?

As to the repeated, asinine requests to "sample the air" (yeah let me fly around the sky on my broom after these planes) or the weird things that grow from the dust, good luck finding someone to do it for you. They won't. Trust me on that one too.

Why should I trust you when it simply isn't true? Any decent sized city will have a lab that will do environmental quality sampling. Anybody with well water, or who runs a manufacturing facility with air quality monitoring requirements, will know that.

Just one of dozens on Google: www.airtestinglab.com...

You said you were near Atlanta, right? They have a lab near you: www.emsl.com...

Among the services offered there: Full Particle Identification.

www.emsl.com...

Full Particle ID incorporates physical testing with Polarized Light Microscopy (PLM), Scanning Electron Microscopy (SEM), Transmission Electron Microscopy (TEM) and X-Ray Diffraction (XRD) to identify nearly all particles from cotton fibers, dander and dust mites to unusual materials such as carbon black, metal oxides and minerals.

That ought to pick up the deadly metal poison, right?

They even provide the collection kit free of charge and you just mail it back and pay for the analysis.

Why won't anybody do this? I SURE AS HELL WOULD if I was worried about being poisoned!

(And why would you need to fly after the planes? You claim the poison is reaching you on the ground, right? If it stayed up in the sky then what would be the problem?)

a reply to: Rob48

(And why would you need to fly after the planes? You claim the poison is reaching you on the ground, right? If it stayed up in the sky then what would be the problem?)

But on that point, what are the chances that the 'spray' would come straight down or anytime soon? That's why I am baffled by claims that any trails caused any immediate effects.

As to the repeated, asinine requests to "sample the air" (yeah let me fly around the sky on my broom after these planes) or the weird things that grow from the dust, good luck finding someone to do it for you.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

Asinine indeed. I wonder what the cost of doing so would be? The metal oxides that are dispersed are designed to bind with the varying elements of the upper atmospheres. The ionosphere is a pretty high place. Unfortunately most air samples taken will be at a much lower level and hardly representative of how much pollutant is being released on any given day. The stuff tends to drift also.

Actually proving that the plowing of our skies has already been accomplished. For me however, I am still looking forward to discovering the agendas.

Personally I am going with the Air Force statement that was made back in 1997 of owning the weather by 2025. The release of that statement along with William Tellers proposal as to the means by which to accomplish it was powerful proof, in my mind any way.

Imagine the control that could be had if one could manipulate the weather. Drought, flood, utter devastation to a non compliant country, or even the civilians of ones own country. No bombs dropped, no guns, no troops, no accountability.

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: Rob48

(And why would you need to fly after the planes? You claim the poison is reaching you on the ground, right? If it stayed up in the sky then what would be the problem?)

But on that point, what are the chances that the 'spray' would come straight down or anytime soon? That's why I am baffled by claims that any trails caused any immediate effects.

Just another reason any "ill effects" are likely psychosomatic. Same reason that it's only the "trailers" that get sick!

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: tsurfer2000h

As a very serious and sincere suggestion, since what people think of you seems to matter enough to write a specific message on here.

If you put forth to effort to talk WITH...and not AT or DOWN to people, I think you'd find your reception and the responses you got would change. In fact, they'd likely change in major ways and in less time than might be believed. It's the approach as much as the message that turns interested listeners into an actively hostile crowd, IMO.

Thank you. This is exactly why I refuse to engage with them. No matter what I say, they will never take it into account, nor do they read my posts thoroughly enough because of the questions that they ask me. I never said it was one plane in the sky, there were six going back and forth within minutes of each other. I said, it is not normal. I said, I've lived here for 15 years, observing the sky as an avid outdoors woman. Nooope. I'm just told I don't know what I'm talking about. I live here, I see it happening with my eyes. I don't need a radar to tell me what I'm seeing. And yes, those planes are unmarked, they are not commercial airliners. I lived near SFO for 6 years of my life and as a child near an air force base. I'm quite adept at seeing planes and identifying them from where I stand, as long as I have a clear view.

As for my camera, that was taken with a camera phone, I was out hiking. Suck it.

a reply to: Witness2008

You can't have it both ways. Either the "spray" is reaching the ground and making people sick, and therefore can be easily sampled at ground level, or else it stays in the sky and therefore can't make people sick.

Which is it?

originally posted by: Aisling

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: tsurfer2000h

As a very serious and sincere suggestion, since what people think of you seems to matter enough to write a specific message on here.

If you put forth to effort to talk WITH...and not AT or DOWN to people, I think you'd find your reception and the responses you got would change. In fact, they'd likely change in major ways and in less time than might be believed. It's the approach as much as the message that turns interested listeners into an actively hostile crowd, IMO.

As for my camera, that was taken with a camera phone, I was out hiking. Suck it.

Who is being hostile here, again?

A video of "six planes going back and forth" spraying contrails - now that WOULD be the kind of evidence that could change a person's mind. As far as I know no commercial flights turn around and "go back and forth" except in holding patterns around airports maybe. Why not video it? You could have had the first hard evidence ever!



But no, you don't want to provide evidence, you just want to say "trust me" even though you provide no proof.

Once again, if I thought something nefarious was going on, I would make DAMN SURE I got some proof to convince people with. Seems very weird that you don't care to do such a thing.

It's like me saying "I watched government agents killing someone... I didn't bother videoing it though, I just took a photo of a man holding a gun, but you have to believe me!"

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: Witness2008
Yeah, I know. I've been watching this since the mid-90s, and as I've said, rarely participate. There is no real discussion to be had, and, to me, the ferocity with which the same few seem to attack speaks volumes.

Those are my thoughts too...weaponization or shielding us from something (hot spots) or from seeing something (as in Tesla shield shimmer). Geo-engineering or maybe weather manipulation might be my other thoughts.

One day there will be disease correlations made or reports disclosed. We probably won't be around when that happens.

The thing is, I'm in ranch land. It's nothing but cattle for as the eye can see. Funny, but for a week solid they focused RIGHT over those ranches. It makes you wonder.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

that anyone who works so very hard, using the same few refrerences, to say there is no possibility is probably one with an agenda or is in some deep denial.

Well when one uses the same old debunked evidence as something new the same old few references are all one needs.

There is nothing new concerning chemtrails and there will be nothing new because they don't exist, and I guess I am in denial because it actually takes verifiable scientific evidence to prove to me something is happening now can that be done with chemtrails?

Where is the evidence other than I just looked up and see they were chemtrails because I know the difference?

originally posted by: Rob48

originally posted by: Aisling

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: tsurfer2000h

As a very serious and sincere suggestion, since what people think of you seems to matter enough to write a specific message on here.

If you put forth to effort to talk WITH...and not AT or DOWN to people, I think you'd find your reception and the responses you got would change. In fact, they'd likely change in major ways and in less time than might be believed. It's the approach as much as the message that turns interested listeners into an actively hostile crowd, IMO.

As for my camera, that was taken with a camera phone, I was out hiking. Suck it.

Who is being hostile here, again?

A video of "six planes going back and forth" spraying contrails - now that WOULD be the kind of evidence that could change a person's mind. As far as I know no commercial flights turn around and "go back and forth" except in holding patterns around airports maybe. Why not video it? You could have had the first hard evidence ever!



But no, you don't want to provide evidence, you just want to say "trust me" even though you provide no proof.

Once again, if I thought something nefarious was going on, I would make DAMN SURE I got some proof to convince people with. Seems very weird that you don't care to do such a thing.

It's like me saying "I watched government agents killing someone... I didn't bother videoing it though, I just took a photo of a man holding a gun, but you have to believe me!"

I provided what I saw. No markings on those planes. I provided first hand experience. YOU prove to me that those are normal planes. YOU prove that my family and other people are not getting sick from what is being sprayed. YOU come up here and stay awhile in the country, observe and talk to the people that live here and you'll get an earful that this is not normal. The burden is on you. Have a nice day.

a reply to: Rob48

Plowing the skies with metal oxides is just one of the many environmental concerns that any rational person has. The nasty little left overs from manufacturing, agriculture, weather manipulation are all ingredients in the pollution stew, and are indeed present in soil and water samples.

The important thing in this thread and any other thread is the fact that folks are not only voicing their concerns, but that those concerns are fueling the action that will in the near future give us a much clearer understanding of the agenda and the solutions as to how to protect ourselves and the only inhabitable planet that we know of.

I was just in Peru for a long period to work with la medicina THAT SHALL NOT BE NAMED.

During my time there I was in many airports, I was in many places around the country, and saw many many planes flying overhead.

The skies were never checkerboarded like they are in the US and parts of Europe, the clouds were always 100% normal, and the CONtrails always dispersed immediately.

Sorry folks, chemtrails are real. You're being sprayed. You're being poisoned.

If you doubt that, just go check out the skies in a country where its government isn't deliberately attempting to slaughter/poison/experiment on its people.

a reply to: Aisling

The thing is, I'm in ranch land. It's nothing but cattle for as the eye can see. Funny, but for a week solid they focused RIGHT over those ranches. It makes you wonder.

Just wondering, but is there a law that says planes cannot fly over ranches in the middle of nowhere?

Interesting but I think planes are flying over you daily whether you see them or not.

originally posted by: Aisling

originally posted by: Rob48

originally posted by: Aisling

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: tsurfer2000h

As a very serious and sincere suggestion, since what people think of you seems to matter enough to write a specific message on here.

If you put forth to effort to talk WITH...and not AT or DOWN to people, I think you'd find your reception and the responses you got would change. In fact, they'd likely change in major ways and in less time than might be believed. It's the approach as much as the message that turns interested listeners into an actively hostile crowd, IMO.

As for my camera, that was taken with a camera phone, I was out hiking. Suck it.

Who is being hostile here, again?

A video of "six planes going back and forth" spraying contrails - now that WOULD be the kind of evidence that could change a person's mind. As far as I know no commercial flights turn around and "go back and forth" except in holding patterns around airports maybe. Why not video it? You could have had the first hard evidence ever!



But no, you don't want to provide evidence, you just want to say "trust me" even though you provide no proof.

Once again, if I thought something nefarious was going on, I would make DAMN SURE I got some proof to convince people with. Seems very weird that you don't care to do such a thing.

It's like me saying "I watched government agents killing someone... I didn't bother videoing it though, I just took a photo of a man holding a gun, but you have to believe me!"

I provided what I saw. No markings on those planes. I provided first hand experience. YOU prove to me that those are normal planes. YOU prove that my family and other people are not getting sick from what is being sprayed. YOU come up here and stay awhile in the country, observe and talk to the people that live here and you'll get an earful that this is not normal. The burden is on you. Have a nice day.

Does it not occur to you that the way to get heard is to gather some evidence?

Science requires evidence. If you could go to the newspapers with proof that air in your town had chemicals X, Y and Z in it then you can bet your life it would be all over the media. Nothing hits the headlines like a good public health scare!

I just don't understand why you would choose to "suffer in silence" apart from the odd unsubstantiated gripe.

Do you not care about your health, and the health of your family, enough to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT? I certainly would.

a reply to: Aisling

What makes you think you're going to see markings on a plane flying at cruising altitude going overhead? The tail is going to be the only thing that you might be able to see markings on, and not all aircraft use full tail airline markings.

Under ICAO standards, which will be used by the FAA as well, the wing markings (registration number) are required to be no less than 20 inches, and the fuselage markings (which are going to be even harder to see), no less than 12 inches (these are slight approximations since ICAO says 50cm and 30cm).

At that distance, even zoomed in with a cell phone camera, or just about any type of camera that doesn't have some kind of long lens, or telescope attached to it, you're not going to see markings unless the entire tail is covered by the paint scheme of the airline.

Military aircraft have wing and tail markings as well, but it's the same problem. They're cruising overhead at 6 miles or so, and you're looking for markings that are less than 2 feet tall, as they go overhead at high speed.