AZ residents at chemtrail hearing: ‘We’re being sprayed like we’re bugs and it’s really not

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
or as exhaust contrails from Jet aircraft landing or taking off from Tucson International as a perfect checkerboard pattern would leave behind (this is not Chicago O'Hare, or Atlanta, Dallas). Come on, this is a very small airport by comparison, air traffic not even 1/50th in size or volume of activity to create these complex patterns

Just why do you think the planes leaving contrails must have left from/landed at Tucson airport?

have a look at this..

This was a couple of weeks ago in Atlanta. Two very silvery planes flew north to south and one flew east to west for my whole two-hour commute.





This is what they turn into...before the sky goes entirely overcast.



I used to take a lot more pics. Now...well I still notice.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
I used to take a lot more pics. Now...well I still notice.

Nice pictures of contrails forming clouds...

science-edu.larc.nasa.gov...

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
I used to take a lot more pics. Now...well I still notice.

Nice pictures of contrails forming clouds...

science-edu.larc.nasa.gov...

Nice try.

I'm not playing. I've been watching this for far too long.

a reply to: vethumanbeing
The question was why would "chemtrails" look like anything? You didn't answer that question in your reply.

Because they are visibly anomalous to anything nature could produce (as perfect cumulous grid clouds?)

How are the trails visibly deviating from what is normal or expected? I don't suggest what you see is produced by nature alone. To be clear, I'm not familiar with what you describe.

or as exhaust contrails from Jet aircraft landing or taking off from Tucson International as a perfect checkerboard pattern would leave behind (this is not Chicago O'Hare, or Atlanta, Dallas).

How is what you see anomalous to contrails? I wouldn't expect them to be seen from jets landing or taking off.

In another post you said

I've seen 4 aircraft synchronized 2 each in tandem flying AT EACH OTHER expelling a substance (think acrobatic airshow ballet). The grids are too tight and perfect squares. Contrails dissipate , these hang there for HOURS. BTW its hotter than hell here.

Do you have video of this? If not can you record it or do you have links to vids on YouTube showing this? How often does this happen?

BTW, yes contrails dissipate. They also persist, spread and sometimes don't even form to be visible from the ground in the first place. It may be hotter than hell on the ground but it's cold up there.

And then this

No, these planes are not 777 or 747 jet aircraft, they are smaller and have maneuverability; move at speeds of 160 MPH make 45 degree turns within a small air space.

Again some visual evidence would be good. How do you determine that speed?

I hope you understand this sounds strange to someone who sees quite a bit of traffic overhead but never what I hear described here or elsewhere.

originally posted by: hellobruce
originally posted by: veteranhumanbeing

hellobruce Just why do you think the planes leaving contrails must have left from/landed at Tucson airport?

Thank you hellobruce for the graphic map of air traffic in the US some good research here; as I can tell all air traffic out of Tucson is traveling to Phoenix then onto to DENVER in a northeastern direction or to the southeast, Mexico. I never said these anomalous patterns were created by jet engine contrails (vapor trails). I've seen the planes that are depositing the trails and they are not Boeing 727, 737, 777s. They are smaller and much SLOWER with great turning manuverablity. If I had to guess, they are A10 Warthogs.

a reply to: DenyObfuscation

Not sure what to say to you except thank you for replying. I thought I addressed most of your questions in prior posts (I don't have vids YET) but mine eyes do not deceive me.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

I thought I addressed most of your questions in prior posts

You didn't but that's ok.

(I don't have vids YET)

Let's get moving on that then. This is a serious problem, right?

but mine eyes do not deceive me.

Did I imply that? If I did then I'm sorry. I certainly don't believe it's your eyes deceiving you.

ETA: A-10 flying 160 mph? I'm not an airplane guy so I hope the following is correct

The twin-engine A-10 can fly as slowly as 300 knots (345 miles per hour) without risk of stalling, compared with 450 knots for an F-16 or F-35

www.bloomberg.com...

If it's not A-10s then no point in asking how much 'spray' they can carry.

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: veteranhumanbeing

ETA: A-10 flying 160 mph? I'm not an airplane guy so I hope the following is correct

The twin-engine A-10 can fly as slowly as 300 knots (345 miles per hour) without risk of stalling, compared with 450 knots for an F-16 or F-35

www.bloomberg.com...
If it's not A-10s then no point in asking how much 'spray' they can carry.

Oh, A10s do not stall even at 160 MPH. Not sure they can even achieve 345 MPH max speed, they are a heavy aircraft (not their basis for existing look at the design, two tails, lift factor gliders actually) as are heavily armored (able to take heavy round hits) slow and go tank killers.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Oh, A10s do not stall even at 160 MPH. Not sure they can even achieve 345 MPH max speed

That's interesting. Like I said, I'm not an airplane guy. 420 mph apparently. www.globalaircraft.org...



ETA: One for you.

Stall speed: 120 knots (138 mph, 220 km/h)

en.wikipedia.org...

Looks like a fairly unique plane. Shouldn't it be easy to identify? I haven't been able to find info on spray capacity. Any idea how that works?

a reply to: olaru12

We are getting chem-trailed HEAVILY here in N. Montana. I prefer to not give my exact location. My husband, daughter, and I have been sick with burning eyes, itchy skin, sore throats, dry cough and fatigue. We were fine prior to the onset of this ordeal.

My husband and I first noticed it starting right on Memorial day this year. We were out and about and noticed about 6 jets all up in the sky, each going back and forth laying out a grid over the lake and town. This went on for about 3 1/2 hours from the time we noticed it. Two days later, my husband's eyes were red, my daughter developed a dry cough, and I felt very tired. Between the three of us, we are continually having these symptoms, and I notice that they are far worse, about two to three days after we have been sprayed.

I am furious over this, because my child's health is being effected by this. I can tolerate anything.... but when it comes to my child... I'm mama bear.

The other day, on Tuesday to be exact, my husband was on break at his work, and he and his co workers sat outside, watching 4 jets going back and forth in the sky above them. It was completely clear and obvious that we were being sprayed. This has been going on since Memorial day and we want it to STOP.

My eyes, throat, and nasal passages has been burning for days now. We do NOT have allergy problems in this family. We have noted that all of our symptoms seem to be brought on on the same day, and ease up on the same days... and return after a spraying.

I would estimate that we are being sprayed about 3 times a week now..... and yes I have photos of it. Been keeping track for some time now. I don't know what i can possibly do with these photos..... I feel powerless and angry about it.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

YES yes yes. Same exact thing as shown in your photos.... we are seeing here, but sometimes, much much more. It has been terrible here. The other morning the sun was bright and the sky was clear, and the spraying began. It stayed clouded up the rest of the day.

Silvery planes. Yep, that's what I saw too.

Your post just confirms what I see and know.

a reply to: Aisling
I feel you, its terrible; the breathing problems we are having the burning in the nasal cavities and not able to assist even the livestock that when these trails appear develop/have bloody noses. Its just awful.

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Oh, A10s do not stall even at 160 MPH. Not sure they can even achieve 345 MPH max speed

That's interesting. Like I said, I'm not an airplane guy. 420 mph apparently. www.globalaircraft.org...
ETA: One for you.

Stall speed: 120 knots (138 mph, 220 km/h)

en.wikipedia.org...
Looks like a fairly unique plane. Shouldn't it be easy to identify? I haven't been able to find info on spray capacity. Any idea how that works?

Its easy to identify; it looks like a large black dragonfly. 420? max mph would mean low on fuel and not carrying any armament at all/much less the added pilot. Its very unique in its profile. It can carry external fuel tanks in place of TOW Missiles, sorry do not have the modification schema in front of me. Nice work Deny.

originally posted by: Aisling
a reply to: ~Lucidity

Silvery planes. Yep, that's what I saw too.

Your post just confirms what I see and know.

Me too. The 2 planes I saw working together making a grid pattern were silver.

This was in the middle of the desert. Clear sky, no clouds. I just watched them. They'd make a loop turn, then fly back over the grid.

a reply to: Annee

I have photos of these planes. I'm going to try and resize them tonight and get them posted here.

Example of a clear sky, before spraying commenced.




These photos show the spraying just starting. We stood outside and watched them. This is not normal air traffic for us.







One of the planes, original view, and a zoomed in view





Another plane, original view and zoomed in view






Prior to spraying, the sky was clear, sunny, and crisp. Once the planes showed up and spraying began, it remained cloudy the rest of the day.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
This was a couple of weeks ago in Atlanta. Two very silvery planes flew north to south and one flew east to west for my whole two-hour commute.

Where is the "grid pattern" exactly? Those photos look just like the sky above my house many days of the year. They are contrails!

a reply to: Aisling

And did you check FlightRadar24 to make sure that these planes (which look perfectly normal to me) aren't normal traffic?

originally posted by: Aisling
This is not normal air traffic for us.

So planes flying overhead is not normal.... exactly which planes, and what flight number were they?