AZ residents at chemtrail hearing: ‘We’re being sprayed like we’re bugs and it’s really not

a reply to: kkrattiger

"What astonishes me is that when ever the subject of chem/contrails comes up; you get the same debunkers insulting the members of ATS that have a different opinion. That in and of itself points to some kind of conspiracy. Are they working in concert with one another, do they have some sort of debunking network focused on chemtrails?

You may want to go through these chemtrail threads and see who does the insults.

You see the shill and troll moniker is used very frequently when the evidence isn't there for the chemtrail believers heck it happened in this thread within the first ten posts.

If asking for proof is an insult then a conspiracy site may not be for some.

a reply to: Wrabbit2000

The only requirement I've ever heard mentioned for being able to read them is 100 feet. And that's not in the ICAO regulation. So there is no distance requirement for visibility, they only have to meet the size, spacing, and color requirements.

Which is what so many people don't realize, when they say "It has no markings". They're not required to mark them so that you can see the markings from the ground, in fact it's not possible to mark them that way. And a 32x zoom camera isn't going to cut it for seeing them, but they're still legally marked, according to ICAO regulations, which govern all civilian aircraft.

As for the military, there's no point in making something, like a helicopter, that is supposed to be hard to see, so it can hide and survive, and then painting huge, highly visible numbers and letters on it. That's one reason they removed the large white panel with the red cross from some helicopters. All it did was give an aim point to people nearby.

a reply to: Annee

Military tankers waiting for receivers to arrive. They fly in pairs and triplets at times and orbit while they wait for their receivers. Sometimes it makes odd patterns on the ground.

originally posted by: Witness2008
a reply to: Rob48

Members that are posting their observations or concerns hardly deserve the label of "village idiot".

I never called anybody on here a "village idiot". Not unless any of them were also among the people at the meeting that I was talking about and which was the subject of this thread.

I see planes overhead quite often that don't show up on FR24. Doesn't mean they are spraying me with poison!

Again, I deal with evidence, not anonymous people on the internet saying "trust me"!

a reply to: Annee

I am not ignorant of contrails. But, I know what I saw. I saw 2 planes working together to make a grid. I could clearly see them both making the loop turn to come back across the grid.

And automatically they were spraying something?

So you never thought that they could be commercial aircraft in a holding pattern or possibly military aircraft in a holding pattern, also where was this happening?

a reply to: kkrattiger

Here is a very informative thread www.abovetopsecret.com... also strangely lacking of the usual suspects, maybe due to the very high brow presentation and content.

a reply to: ~Lucidity


originally posted by: kkrattiger
a reply to: totallackey

Chemtrails are presumably being used to "dumb-down the people"...
To those who are certain they're victims of chemtrailing: Is it working?


Nicely veiled attempt to call anyone who thinks something is going on dumb. Many of us are FAR from dumb, I can assure you of this. You might want to rethink who the dumb are.


---You're right, I apologize for the joke I made right before turning in for the night. I spent a couple days a few summers ago reading up on the science of contrails and gleaning several sites for information on the "chemtrail" phenomenon. I came to a conclusion (which is not conclusive, if someone shows evidence which would counter the current understanding). The conclusion I arrived at is not one that everyone arrives at, and I gave my own thoughts about the subject far more weight than some believer's thoughts, because I couldn't help but think that they couldn't have gone to any lengths to verify the extreme hypothesis.
Anything's possible, I suppose... But I still stand by the science of contrails and the logic of the simple explanations.

Hey now, I hope you don't think I'm the one who said that thing to which you replied (and quoted) in your post. I just can't use the proper Quotation function in my replies, it makes my phone browser flip out. Apologies to everyone reading, it makes it hard to follow.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

a reply to: Zaphod58

Agreed 100%

originally posted by: Aisling

Thank you. This is exactly why I refuse to engage with them. No matter what I say, they will never take it into account, nor do they read my posts thoroughly enough because of the questions that they ask me. I never said it was one plane in the sky, there were six going back and forth within minutes of each other. I said, it is not normal. I said, I've lived here for 15 years, observing the sky as an avid outdoors woman. Nooope. I'm just told I don't know what I'm talking about. I live here, I see it happening with my eyes. I don't need a radar to tell me what I'm seeing. And yes, those planes are unmarked, they are not commercial airliners. I lived near SFO for 6 years of my life and as a child near an air force base. I'm quite adept at seeing planes and identifying them from where I stand, as long as I have a clear view.

As for my camera, that was taken with a camera phone, I was out hiking. Suck it.

So where is the region that you took the photographs? What mountain range for example? Is that a lake?

files.abovetopsecret.com...

Have you even checked the aeronautical charts to see if there is an upper air route in that region you took the images? This is why you are getting replied to because there clearly is an upper air route. An upper air route that will be known to aviation professionals and aviation enthusiasts alike. Why is this so hard to understand? If it is not "normal" and you see this on a regular basis then why are you not detailing the area, times, making videos and actually doing research on the upper air routes?

How can you tell that they are unmarked? Seriously, completely unmarked? You are claiming that you can look at an aircraft flying from 25,000 feet up to the 40, 000 region and tell that it carries no registration? Seriously?

Here is a Saga Airliner Boeing 737 registration TC-SGI

White Boeing 737

You are telling me that you can read the registration on the rear of the fuselage if the aircraft was flying at 25,000 feet or higher using an upper air route? Seriously?

How about this one China Airlines Cargo Boeing 747 registration B-18722?

China Cargo Boeing 747

So in reality the aircraft you are seeing are NOT unmarked. You can't possibly make out and read a tail registration at those heights. And no white or all colour airliners are nothing new or remarkable in the aviation world. So can you expand or answer the question posed?

a reply to: Zaphod58

As for the military, there's no point in making something, like a helicopter, that is supposed to be hard to see, so it can hide and survive, and then painting huge, highly visible numbers and letters on it. That's one reason they removed the large white panel with the red cross from some helicopters. All it did was give an aim point to people nearby.

Deception has it's points when military programs need to survive.

a reply to: Witness2008

Sure it does, but with the exception of those VIP transports, every military aircraft I worked on, and that was a lot of them, was quite clearly marked.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Annee

I am not ignorant of contrails. But, I know what I saw. I saw 2 planes working together to make a grid. I could clearly see them both making the loop turn to come back across the grid.

And automatically they were spraying something?

So you never thought that they could be commercial aircraft in a holding pattern or possibly military aircraft in a holding pattern, also where was this happening?

20 years of watching both military and commercial planes over the SW desert. NO, making this grid was not normal flight behavior. It was unusual and deliberate.

a reply to: Annee

20 years of watching both military and commercial planes over the SW desert. NO, making this grid was not normal flight behavior. It was unusual and deliberate.

You say it was deliberate, but how do you in fact know that it was deliberate.

And just because you haven't seen this before doesn't mean it isn't normal, although it just may not be normal to you that still doesn't prove chemtrails exist, and what you were seeing were chemtrails now does it?

a reply to: kkrattiger

Hey now, I hope you don't think I'm the one who said that thing to which you replied (and quoted) in your post. I just can't use the proper Quotation function in my replies, it makes my phone browser flip out. Apologies to everyone reading, it makes it hard to follow.

That is why I try not to use the phone when replying as it does seem to have a few things that need to be worked out.

And totally understandable.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: ~Lucidity

There are numerous companies out there that will operate sampling flights for anyone with the money to do it. A number of groups that believe in chemtrails have had the money, and not once have they tried to get a sample to prove them.

I was not aware of this but may look into it further. Are the any of these companies in the Atlanta area? I imagine the cost of hiring a jet to fly that high would be pretty cost=prohibitive for the average person.

Out of curiosity what groups that "believe in chemtrails" have/had the money but didn't do this? And how do we know they were not dissuaded? Or that results were not withheld.

Once I simply tried to get the silvery white residue on my lawn and car tested and there was no lab I could find that would even do it. I guess you have to have some connections in the university or bio system.

a reply to: kkrattiger

Thanks for that.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

Out of curiosity what groups that "believe in chemtrails" have/had the money but didn't do this? And how do we know they were not dissuaded? Or that results were not withheld.

I'm curious on this myself with regard to specifics. Not as any gotcha in this topic area, where that is such a common thing at times..but to honestly save myself a bit of the research time I may go well beyond the names with.

I hadn't realized commercial charter to sample atmospheric gas ratios or contaminants were something an average person could do. That is very interesting and something very worthwhile to check more into on costs and why groups haven't or aren't doing it. Heck..I wish I'd known that a few years ago when I had plenty of money to have it done myself if it's within reasonable numbers.

a reply to: Aisling

Here they focus on making shade, I think, when it's hot as Hades. But my gut still leans toward hiding laser weapons testing or Tesla shield shimmer.

originally posted by: Kratos40
a reply to: olaru12

Anyone doubting this should come out to the desert out here on any given day and watch the skies. It's like the planes are playing a huge game of Tic-Tac-Toe. Using binoculars, you will see big planes flying side by side expelling long plumes of who knows what.
You can tell the difference between normal contrails and when they are spraying their crap in chemtrails. This may sound naive, but why hasn't anyone gathered atmospheric samples to test in an independent lab using gas chromatography? The answer may be obvious, but I want other people's input.

Here have a look at this

That's 24 hours of flights in ONE MINUTE there are more that 70,000 flights worldwide in a day, I have lived between 3 major airports all of my life and have watched the number of flights increase from the late 60's when people were lucky to have one holiday overseas in a year till now when many of my friends and neighbours have 3 holidays a year or holiday homes within 3 hours flying time and can get a cheap flight for £30/$50 and will fly every other weekend, myself I used to take about 15-20 flights a year due to business.

As for planes flying side by side I DOUBT THAT and there are plenty of apps to check aircraft flight details some even by simply pointing your phone/tablet at them

a reply to: Wrabbit2000

But if you want to test stuff at ground level (where lots of people claim "fallout" is present) you can do it via any number of commercial labs for less than $500. Surely a group of "concerned citizens" could club together and run a test? Get a dozen people together and you could do it for less than the cost of a decent dinner.