Mass shooting at Walmart in Las Vegas

a reply to: Mikeultra
Don't forget Jared Lee Loughner as well. I think we need to ban Jareds for sure.

a reply to: toidiem
OK I didn't watch the video of the updated news conference where the cop said in addition to the officers weapons. The article was written without that info. But it still looks like they're lying about the female shooting the male. I want to see more video including inside of CiCi's Pizza.

I think this a staged event. The video quality is horrendous. And the cop who went home without knowing he had something stuck in his thigh is a load of bs too. He's probably going to put in for early retirement or some ptsd lawsuit.

Jared or Jerad, three of them now involved in "active shootings". Highly suspicious! Thanks for reminding me about Loughner TKDRL!

So basically Mikeultra you have made your mind up.
This was a faked\govt operation or drill and nothing anyone says or shows such as video clips will change your mind.
Got it.

a reply to: opethPA
Yes, and I'll give you a good reason why. When they show the shabby Walmart surveillance video, they say the audio is from an officer that was in the security room of Walmart telling officers what he was seeing via the cameras. His voice would not be recorded on to the surveillance video! I am saying this is a propaganda production.

originally posted by: Mikeultra
a reply to: opethPA
Yes, and I'll give you a good reason why. When they show the shabby Walmart surveillance video, they say the audio is from an officer that was in the security room of Walmart telling officers what he was seeing via the cameras. His voice would not be recorded on to the surveillance video! I am saying this is a propaganda production.

Probably because the audio of the communication of the officer from the surveillance room was separately recorded via police communications. He was in there to utilize the surveillance within the store to keep an eye on the MIllers. He was reporting their activities. It's situational awareness. They obviously synced the audio with the existing surveillance footage. And as a note, store surveillance feeds vary and are not movie quality. You can pretty clearly see the red splotch that forms on the guy's head after the wife pointed the gun at him.

Usually not, you're right. But it is quite believable that WM has this audio capability. I worked security for awhile but not for WM. The client's camera system was outdated, but I expect WM would be up to date with things like this.

originally posted by: opethPA
So basically Mikeultra you have made your mind up.
This was a faked\govt operation or drill and nothing anyone says or shows such as video clips will change your mind.
Got it.

People are just going mad. Nothing HAS to be staged.. we have mad dogs loose. Dont have to lift a finger to promote any staged event.. let them loose and they do wacky things. Sometimes those things can be used for a real agenda... sometimes theyre just the way things are. Its a mad world...


... or they listened to black sabbath and Ozzy Osborne.. and went mad with satanic ideations.

a reply to: WhiteAlice
Regarding the video and police radio audio, that's exactly what they did is sync it together. But they did not say that's what they did. They're making propaganda. As for the head shot? There would have been more than a red blotch slowly appearing. There would have been movement of the head from the impact. I saw none. There would have been blood, skull, and brain matter spraying out. I saw none of that either. What I saw was the female aiming a gun at the male, pretending to fire (recoil), and the male slowly putting his head down face first on the floor, and then wiggling his lower legs in a lame attempt at a death scene for a movie. Of course this is just my opinion, others may see something else.

a reply to: toidiem
Well then, how did the officers voice get on the video? From a camera inside the security room? It definitely didn't get on there from the camera that was covering the auto section where the scumbags were thrashing about. Are you saying that in the security room there is a master audio input that puts anyone in that room on to any video feed in the store?

I don't think that's what happened. I think WhiteAlice has it right. The police radio audio was synced to the Walmart video and presented as one, without the police mentioning that they had modified the evidence.

I just watched again and he said the audio was radio traffic so it must be dubbed in (implied not explicitly stated though).

After looking further at the meager amount of video "evidence" provided so far, I noticed that a rear door appears to be open just to the left of Jerad on screen. Isn't that where the police say they entered the store?

Why is there no date or time stamp on the surveillance video? That's always on security video.

Why does Amanda appear to have the sides of her head shaven? Is that really her? So many questions...

Just read an update that says the cops lied about one of the dead cops getting off a shot at the scumbags. They say now that didn't happen. Because if it did there would be evidence of that in the form of a bullet hole somewhere inside CiCi's restaurant!

I guess they didn't think about that in the rush to present the official story. And I presume any bullets that entered the officers did not exit, so there's no damage to the restaurant? Yes that's how it went down...

I can't provide the link because they are non grata at ATS. I can tell that it's not the Las Vegas Sun, so go from there.

Is it not peculiar that the cops are changing this part of the story now? I find it damning. They're lying.

Let me start by saying the video resolution is too poor to see detaills (typical of security cameras). That said, a few points:

I'm not sure that is a door - it isn't even as wide as the shelf. It fairly closely matches the color of the upper wall.

Her hair may be darker in the middle top and just blonde on the side, not shaven. Although it doesn't matter unless there is other video indicating different.

Try as I might, I just can't make out any evidence of her firing at him. Pointing the gun, yes; but no detectable discharge or impact.

I can't see anything showing it is a Walmart, but I have to assume the authorities would not fake that AND do a poor job of it. People who live in that area could easily out them if it wasn't correct. [EDIT: red sign at back end of right shelf has WM logo and I think "Low Prices".]

I think we need to appreciate that they are releasing some evidence at least. That's what we've wanted right? Unlike certain other incidents (not getting into here).


EDIT AGAIN: Date and time may have been cropped out for some reason (possibly WM's request ). There may be other info there they didn't want released. From what we have, you can't see the borders of the image. I think C:013 is camera #; don't know what M:001 is.

Actually, I believe this released video may just be the upper left portion of the security camera image.

a reply to: Mikeultra

Propaganda tend to not be impartial and promotes an agenda. In the video from the very link posted, he was reporting exactly what he saw as going and it does, in fact, appear to match what is occurring in the video. There was question as to whether the male was shot by police or by her--the video makes it very clear that she shot him in the head. This video is to answer that question. If the had tucked in some political message or something, then sure.

The head not whipping back--They were both laying on the ground. From the angle that she shot him at, the impact wave would've been towards the rest of his body. His head wouldn't have whipped back because it wouldn't have been possible without fracturing the spine. As an experiment, lay on the floor in the his position with your head in the same position as the shot and see how much further back your head goes.

Bullets do not always exit out the back of the head. That depends on the bullet and it's store CCTV. If the entry wound looked like a dark red blotch instead of a gore fest then odds are the camera isn't going to pick up little details like splatter.

As far as the spasm goes, what you see in that video is actually a rare event that is typically only seen in intense and violent deaths. It's called cadaveric spasm aka postmortem spasm. It has to do with the body's production of ATP, calcium and the way that muscles are structured and how they operate. When you're relaxed and resting, the muscles are in a low energy setting with the muscles unprimed for contraction/movement. When you're in a highly physical and intense setting, the whole process is going on like mad. Cadaveric spasm isn't going to happen when one's dying of old age in their bed but it can happen in those high energy muscle states.

Muscles are super complicated so I tried explaining it and never was satisfied with my easy versions. So here we go: It has everything to do with how the muscles in the body work and their body chemistry. It's kind of like hitting the breaks on a fast moving freight train. Just because you hit the stop button, the train keeps going for a bit (spasm). A relaxed state (old age in bed), the freight train is already stopped. When one is in a highly physical and intense setting, the freight train is going like mad and you're still going to have some apparent movement after the break has been hit.

The spasm is not normal for deaths overall and only occurs in cases of an intense and violent death.

His feet fluttering could be a spasm. Remember he has already been shot before the vid starts. But he is definitely still alive after that when he lifts his head again. Did you watch the briefing, not just the shooting? The fatal wound was a rifle round just below the throat in area of collarbone. There is no way I will believe they would change their story to that if it were not true. So, there should not be a head wound at all, or at least not a serious, fatal one.

a reply to: WhiteAlice

I can't post the link to the source because they are not nice. Here's a hint RJ. Do a search for this: Shooters carried arsenal, supplies into Sunday rampage. This is what they're saying.

Wilcox and Jerad Miller died from gunshot wounds to the chest. Amanda Miller, whose name was not formally released, died from a gunshot wound to the head. Hers was the only death ruled suicide.

So they're not mentioning any head shot to Jerad Miller.

Did you see my previous post about Jerad Miller's Facebook page having a photo of a kuala bear? Then Barry was mentioning Australia and what they did after Port Arthur. Weird coincidence? There's only 3 photos on that page.
Here it is.

originally posted by: HauntWok
a reply to: Necrose

England has had gun control for how long now?

Where's the FEMA camps? where's the British Auschwitz?

again not buying the gun nut propaganda anymore.

Oh you guys are just fine. I mean, they lock you up for the things that you say, they drive your Nation into bankruptcy with insane socialist policies, they loot your treasury and pensions, and they allow your country to be legally invaded by the East. Nah, everything is just fine over in England. ~$heopleNation

There are also more unbelievable details in the article that I can't provide a link to. I'll summarize it the best I can.

It says that the scumbags next door neighbor who later let them crash in her apartment, Kelley Fielder had her apartment searched and the killers had left "documents" there that detailed plans for an attack on a courthouse.

The story is just too deep in bs for me to believe. Especially when the police mentioned that their local joint terrorism fusion center getting a call about a threat to motor vehicle agents.

This can be found in the 1st result searching for Shooters carried arsenal, supplies into Sunday rampage.

a reply to: Mikeultra

Yeah but that's text versus a video showing them pointing guns at each other and her firing with an injury appearing at the right frontal lobe. I could say that elves then promptly came in and danced a jig around Amanda in her last minutes but just typing it doesn't make it true. Not trying to make light of it and hell, even video can be doctored these days. That said though, the spasm was the kicker for me. Unless he was in the middle of a seizure, there's no reason why his body would have that spasm. It'd be really hard to fake because it is such a loose and wobbly thing. Hope I never see it again.

That one or both might have been wounded wouldn't have surprised me as they shot two police officers and were firing their guns. Even if the police had shot and killed one or both, then they wouldn't have been out of line for it considering the circumstances. It would've like to have been found as a justified killing. However, it was the shot in the head that killed the husband. Absolutely certain of that because of that spasm.

It's really weird that they were pointing their guns at each other the way that they were. I don't know if they had plans to shoot each other and it didn't go down the way they planned or if he had turned on her at the last minute because he had said in the past that, if he were around a shooter, he'd step up and end it just like the guy she purportedly shot and killed did. I thought that was strange, tbh, but it probably was the former and it went wrong.

I think as someone else mentioned earlier in the thread, sorry can't remember the username, that they are agent provocateurs. And their mission started in Indiana. They may have been facing prison time there, and the Democratic crime syndicate got their claws around them and made a deal that they thought was all part of a drill. Just act your role and you'll be pardoned. Think about the drills and how they solicit the public to take part in them. Then from all the volunteers they select their patsies. They don't know the drill ends with their demise. I doubt the cops would kill their own for the cause, so that part may be fabricated. Or the cops could have been killed by a WMD-CST unit or Barry's FEMA Corp.