Mass shooting at Walmart in Las Vegas

a reply to: MRM13
Your thoughts on the suicide aspect are interesting. A lot of times people will say after one of these shootings, Why didn't they just kill themselves and leave everyone else alone? I think it's the SSRI drugs combined with the cell towers. As I write this the tinnitus is coming back, which I have had a break from for quite a while. Somewhere I have a document saved on my pc explaining the possible nefarious uses for microwave radiation and what effects it has at different levels. A certain frequency is said to cause aggression and higher yet riotous activity. Possibly this is responsible for all the shootings. Remember that cell phones are a fairly recent technology. Were there so many shootings as we're having today, before the invention of cell phones and the towers that come with them? I don't think so.

a reply to: Mikeultra


You bring up a good point but what about back in the old Western days? Don't you think people said the same thing about gunfights and what not? I generally like to think that a majority of these shooters are doing it because of maybe the one person or thing that pushed them over and they are trying to go to the place that person would be to do shoot them. As for this Vegas shooting, why wouldn't the government get behind it and make the outlets push the agenda of Vegas being unsafe. I'm sure the government would love a bigger piece of that pie there, like the mafia once had.

Just my two cents

a reply to: Mikeultra

Thanks, lol, though trust me, I can be an idiot just as frequently. I just hide it well.

Some people are impacted by wifi and cell phone signals but actual cases of that are really rare. Being somebody that does have problems with it, I can attest that it can get pretty maddening at times. I love it when there's a brown out, lol. The odds of that being the specific source though is pretty slim because it is so rare. My utility company said that there were 8 others in my area with my problem so it is real (they tested us all). Just really rare. People that would be capable of doing these shootings are just as rare and while that would seem to point to it, that ignores the fact that there are plenty of people with those kind of issues that wouldn't do these things. It'd actually lower the prevalence of the shooters down to a couple because you'd still need to have other factors of underlying mental illness, violence in early childhood, and violence surrounding them. Even with those factors plus sensitivity, that still doesn't mean that a person would still do it. See my point?

I've been trying to discern a source for a long time. The Secret Service actually used their profiling techniques to make a profile of those who would do these things back in 2000. They found none. Part of the issue is that these kind of events have a fairly long history. In 1966, Charles Whitman climbed a tower at the University of Texas and killed 17 people. Events like his predate cell phone towers, internet, and a lot of those SSRIs.

Whereas I think that there are some things that may have made it more of an issue these days, I think what really we have is that we have always had a percentage of the population that will view society with such an extreme toxicity that they will attempt to do these things. I'm a stats nerd so let's compare the prevalence based on populations between the year that Whitman climbed that tower in 1966 and today, 2014.

In 1966, the US population was 196,560,000. There were 4 school shootings. Those shooters would represent 2.03e-8% (or 0.00000002%) of the US population.

In 2014, the US population is estimated to be at 319,000,000. There have been 31 school shootings. Removing gang related shootings, shootings due to arguments (crimes of passion/unplanned), and estranged husbands, that drops it down to 18 shootings in our schools without specified cause. That makes a prevalence of 5.6e-8 (or 0.000000056).

1966 0.00000002%
2014 0.00000006%

So, the very small number between 1966 and today has tripled. It's still very small. But is it consistent?

Taking a random third year, in 1998, there were 6 school shootings. One was an argument over a girl (crime of passion). That drops it down to 5 without clear cause. The US population was 270,299,000. That an incidence of 1.85e-8%

Revised numbers to include that year:

1966 0.00000002%
1998 0.00000002%
2014 0.00000006%

That 2014 percent is likely to be highly prone to some error (not enough information about the incident due to the source or open case) and I'm too lazy today (already have given myself a headache lol) to work out a degree of error. However, even if I said that there was even the chance that that 6 could be as low as 4, it'd still have doubled. It'd still be significant. To really prove it, I'd have to do it for every year over the last 50 years and again, I'm not up to that today, lol.

So yes, I think something has changed. If it were just a natural occurrence within society, we'd expect it to hover around that 2. It didn't. Our world IS different today. We have so much technology and information at our hands that we didn't have even 10 years ago. Does pure information overload play a role in creating distress and then hatred? Is it a matter of connectivity and being able to readily see others expressing in the same way and creating a serious copy cat issue? Those two things seem to be very likely. Many of them looked into past shootings on the internet. At this point, though, I think that a whole lot of people are doing that in an attempt to try to understand what is going so wrong in society (myself included). The difference between the two is intent.

Information overload (stress/negativity), increased connectivity (copy cat), cognitive dissonance (mental disorder), extreme economic disparity (stress/desperation)--that could be the recipe for our current circumstance right there. That's my theory.

a reply to: wutang717
Well I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. In the Old West days everybody walked around packing guns. You could be shot for stealing horses, cheating at cards, cattle rustling, etc. Most people didn't have a beef with gun ownership. I don't think there were school shootings back then and guns were like any another article of clothing that was put on when you got dressed.

As for Las Vegas, it is full of riff-raff from all over, like the Millers. Losers from CA on their 2nd strike, tons of illegals from Mexico, drug addicts, whores, thieves, con artists, gang bangers, and drunkards. It's a sweltering hell hole! No offense to you decent, nice Las Vegas folks, but that's what it is.

How would the government get a bigger slice of this rotten pie? Do you mean by taxing the hell out of the casinos? I think Barry blundered once about telling people to stay away from Las Vegas, and Dingy Harry had a coronary.

a reply to: Mikeultra

I guess I'm just trying to say that shootings are nothing new and you could more than likely find tons from the 1800's, I wouldn't even be shocked if you found a few school or whole town shooting. Just remember that schools were also very different in that time period. I'm also sure if you go back before guns people were still using swords or whatever they could find to carry out mass killings. I also know many, many people who still get dressed and a gun is a pat of that outfit everyday.

Vegas does have it's grimy side but it has a very nice side if you dig deep enough, the strip is not were you will find the real residents.

Lastly, sure the government could tax the casinos but why?? Install enough fear and eventually some of the ownership groups will more than likely just had them over, honestly we should be glad most of this went down outside the casino's, I hate to think what would have happened had it. Also why should I ever listen to Obummer? He probably said that so he could vacation there. Lmfao

Good chat!

a reply to: WhiteAlice
Well I think you've just pointed to the date when things started going really bad. The Telecommunications Act of 1996 is when the FCC started the cell tower construction to explode! I think the microwave soup does have an effect on the population.

As for the new technology, namely cell phones with cameras. This causes a lot of problems with kids and bullying. They all want to record their evil doings and rush home and put it on Facebook or Youtube. In my state a young girl was lured to her death through Facebook by some neighborhood boys, raped, killed, and dumped in a recycling bin at their next door neighbors house. She was missing for days until the boys mother discovered her son's Facebook conversation. She turned them in.

So it could be too much technology, too much violent video games, too much SSRI drugs, too many violent movies.

originally posted by: Mikeultra
a reply to: Mikeultra
Well I think you've just pointed to the date when things started going really bad. The Telecommunications Act of 1996 is when the FCC started the cell tower construction to explode! I think the microwave soup does have an effect on the population.

As for the new technology, namely cell phones with cameras. This causes a lot of problems with kids and bullying. They all want to record their evil doings and rush home and put it on Facebook or Youtube. In my state a young girl was lured to her death through Facebook by some neighborhood boys, raped, killed, and dumped in a recycling bin at their next door neighbors house. She was missing for days until the boys mother discovered her son's Facebook conversation. She turned them in.

So it could be too much technology, too much violent video games, too much SSRI drugs, too many violent movies.


I also just had to add, that were I live Central America in the state with a chimney, there has been a huge uptick in crime/violence in very secluded, forestry area's. Places that are just getting cell phone towers at that too. You have started to make me think even more than before about your theory.

You know what? I think you just hit the nail on the head with the hammer with a lot of what you just said. There has never been a period quite like this one with all the games, movies, and phones. Just look what's on basic cable on a regular basis and remember that kids ARE watching it and all the very violent movies. For some people like myself included, can tell the fact from fiction when doing such activities but these newer generations, IDK about. Also not to mention how everyone seems nowadays to WANT to be famous, guess it doesn't matter what for anymore.

Deleted by Rock. Messed up links

a reply to: tranquilone666

it's my own personal, extra big "wtf" smiley....because ATS doesn't have anything as nice...

also, after reviewing his link, i think it's bunk....but still, he should start a thread, as i'm sure there are people who will find his information interesting....either that, or it'll end up in L-O-L....either way, he should try..

also, yes, as i've said, this thing does seem a bit shady, but that could be because of all the conflicting reports, and weird stuff the media keeps putting out...

LV Metro released today that police gunfire killed the male shooter. The female offed herself. Article and vids are here.

SOURCE

Video shows last moments of cop-killers’ lives
Metro confirms officer’s shot killed Jerad Miller

guys, could you really just shut up about nazi police uniforms?

they really DON'T look like SS uniforms, ok?

this thread is supposed to be about the two wingnuts who shot people..

Henderson police officer shot early this morning and suspect killed. LEO say there is no connection to Sunday shootings. Weirdness prevails lately.

Gunman killed, Henderson Police officer wounded in shootout
Officials: No connection to Sunday shooting of Metro Police officers

SOURCE

a reply to: WhiteAlice

I think the evolution of TV is a huge factor in this area. Back in the day we relied more on the nightly news and less on cable tv since it was in its infancy and not many people had cable.

Now that we have 24 hour cable and 24 hour news the ability to report on situations is no longer restricted because of a 30minute to 60 minute news window on network.

I think we reached the point in time where there are no such things as "the little guy" in media anymore.

a reply to: rockflier
See the difference in the headline? It says Gunman killed... Not shooter or active shooter. This clears this incident of any possible drill/exercise. When you see the words active shooter, you should apply extra scrutiny in evaluating if there's an agenda behind it.

I saw your post with the Walmart surveillance video. They must have been reading my posts and thought that would solve my quest for proof. No it did not! It looks like a movie set. I saw no shell casings being ejected and no reaction from Jerad after being shot. Besides some lame wiggling of his lower legs, the timing of which was off by a mile.

After reading the comments in that LV Sun article, I do believe the cops may have killed the citizen with the CCW, Robert Wilcox. Also why did the police fail to mention among the weapons found on the suspects in Walmart, those allegedly taken from the dead cops at CiCi's Pizza? Could it be that detail along with the Gadsen flag, swastika, pinned notes, etc. are lies?

• Among the weapons in the killers' possession was a .38-caliber Ruger. Amanda Miller bought the revolver in Lafayette, Ind. It was not registered and not stolen. Metro is not releasing information about how it was purchased, because the incident is under investigation. • A Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm handgun was found on the Millers at Wal-Mart. It also was neither registered nor stolen. How it came into the Millers’ hands is also under investigation. • A Winchester 12-gauge, pump-action shotgun with a pistol grip was found on the Millers at Wal-Mart, and its origin also is being investigated. • Metro had doubled up its officers on patrol right after the shooting. They went back to single officers as of 6 a.m. today. • McMahill said video evidence from the shootings is lengthy, and investigators have not gotten through it all yet. What it shows so far, he added, "is exactly how ruthless and cold-blooded these murderers are."

www.lasvegassun.com...

So what happened to the weapons that were allegedly taken from the dead cops? They disappeared, were not found, or was that a complete fabrication?

a reply to: Mikeultra

I'm still really hesitant about it necessarily being SSRI drugs, video games or movies. The primary reason is that you actually have a very large number of people watching and playing those and not every one of these people were on SSRI's. The Oregon kid was Mr. Perfectionist and I seriously doubt he was on one of those drugs. Plus a lot of the violent tendencies and antisocial behaviors are the reason why they were put under the care of a prescribing physician.

Addiction of any stripe could be a player in it though as it does have chemical effects on the brain. In a normal brain, it'll impair the cognitive function and increase impulsiveness. Take a brain that isn't doing well and that could have a really noxious effect. Internet addiction is an actual addiction and does have that effect. Toss in the nature of the net and yeah, a kid could get a real hate on for the world. I think the internet probably has the most effect in this to be honest. If there has been a change in the last 10 years, it's that increased connectivity plus you can find others who share your mindset a lot easier, even if it's a toxic confirmation bias.

We have to keep in mind though that this isn't a huge number that are doing these things. It's really small compared to our population and there are very large populations engaging in the same activities with no similar effect. If it was any one of things or even a combination that was the actual source, then we'd be seeing a huge number of people doing this. I'd say that it's that the individuals that do these sort of things are a tiny portion of the population with a predisposition and somehow that predisposition is getting triggered off a great rate.

A lot of these cases leave those that knew them stunned (not in the Vegas case but others). So-so seemed like the nicest guy...Well, so-so was smart enough to hide their inner demons It's as simple as that. We have a greater availability of information 24/7 these days thanks to the net. We can pick out every detail of a subject if we work hard enough at it. A person with those deep inner demons may very well be able to find a whole lot of stuff online to feed those demons plus be able to dig up a ton of information on their forerunners. I really think that it is a copy cat issue compounded with a sense of hopelessness about the world getting any better.

a reply to: Xcathdra

It's possible but a lot of them weren't the tv watching type. Lanza definitely wasn't. These two? Distinct possibility. However, a lot of people have been dumping tv for the internet and the internet is a huge and unfettered source of information. Even if you have a really crazy belief, odds are you're going to find somebody else in the world that shares it.

a reply to: rockflier

Thanks for the update. That's quite a bit different than the earlier reports. I feel like I've been jerked around by all the false reporting (they tried hard to spin it their way). At least in this case, the police are releasing information which helps us get closer to the truth and filter out some of the garbage reporting by the media. This is what we need to see in all these kind of events. The LV Police seem to being handling this exceptionally well and without alphabet agencies interfering too much.

a reply to: toidiem
So would you agree that it was possible that the detail about the Millers taking the weapons and ammo from the dead cops was made up by the media? Because the latest statement from the cops in the LV Sun article does not mention the cops weapons being recovered from the scene at Walmart.

I just noticed something while going over an article about the Oregon shooting! That killers name is Jared! Coincidence? Jared Miller in Las Vegas and Jared Michael Padgett in Oregon. Jared is not that common for a name. Certainly not as common as Michael.

Jared Michael Padgett was a straight-arrow kid who had a fascination with guns, planned a career in the military and was deeply devoted to his Mormon faith, those who knew him say.

abcnews.go.com...

a reply to: Mikeultra

Watch it again! The officer/deputy? doing the briefing says 3 weapons in addition to those taken off the officers.

Here at 8:!0: www.youtube.com...