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originally posted by: Aphorism
If we were to be atheistic about communism, we'd find that there is still no governing agency, neither state nor god, and it is still just humans developing necessary illusions meant to keep the populace in check.
Exactly, there is no evidence to support any claims that our populations are kept in check by anything other than just...other humans.
I assume that you also agree then, that belief (or lack thereof) in gods does not automatically equate to a particular political ideology of the believer/non-believer.
originally posted by: Aphorism
Christianity is the most atheistic of religions. With the crucification of Christ we see the metaphorical removal and exit of God from the real world—we are granted freedom from our sins, free will, and choice of beliefs, with no divine intervention involved in determining our own becoming. In other words, we can, on our own volition, determine the outcome of humanity without the need for the supernatural. But the state in communism is no different than the God in Christianity, the idea that there is this governing agency determining the outcome of human affairs. If we were to be atheistic about communism, we'd find that there is still no governing agency, neither state nor god, and it is still just humans developing necessary illusions meant to keep the populace in check.
originally posted by: amfirst1
They do believe in God. Their god is the state.
That's why they are trying to replace the family with the state, with handouts as if the state is the parents taking care of the kids.
That's why feminism is trying to destroy the family and say that a women should not need a man, but the state.
Government is their god so they can force people to do want the government wants. THerefore, God must be destroy and replace by the feds.
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
a reply to: ketsuko
The problem with communism is human nature or just nature in general. We are programmed to compete by our biology. Communism attempts to stamp out that drive to compete and better ourselves.
Yes! It eliminates the need for competition, because one of the behaviors that makes us unique as human beings is our inclination to sacrifice competition for progress. Instead of forcing several individuals to pit their skills against one another with the end result being a single victor and a bunch of beaten dogs who no longer want to play the game or have forgotten what the prize was and just wanna throw down with the guy who beat them, we throw our talents into one pool so that everyone comes out a winner.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: rickynews
So if name a bunch of religious dictators and religious governments (like Hitler, any middle east ruler, Putin, etc) does that mean that I can make links to religion and totalitarianism or can we just agree that some people in the world are huge assholes and this has NOTHING to do with their religious beliefs?
originally posted by: rickynews
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: rickynews
So if name a bunch of religious dictators and religious governments (like Hitler, any middle east ruler, Putin, etc) does that mean that I can make links to religion and totalitarianism or can we just agree that some people in the world are huge assholes and this has NOTHING to do with their religious beliefs?
You can attempt to make such links, but reality and common sense, as well as documented World history, will be ample evidence that Communism and Atheism have been, and continue to be, aligned and related.
originally posted by: rickynews
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: rickynews
So if name a bunch of religious dictators and religious governments (like Hitler, any middle east ruler, Putin, etc) does that mean that I can make links to religion and totalitarianism or can we just agree that some people in the world are huge assholes and this has NOTHING to do with their religious beliefs?
You can attempt to make such links, but reality and common sense, as well as documented World history, will be ample evidence that Communism and Atheism have been, and continue to be, aligned and related.
There is no question that Communist ideology and Atheistic ideology are, and have been historically, aligned with each other. That is not to say that all Communists are Atheists, nor all Atheists are Communists at an individual level. It simply means that those who founded Communism, and the fundamental Communist belief system, is based in large part to the God-less Atheism beliefs and ideology. There is simply no question about it, based on world history.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
a reply to: ketsuko
The problem with communism is human nature or just nature in general. We are programmed to compete by our biology. Communism attempts to stamp out that drive to compete and better ourselves.
Yes! It eliminates the need for competition, because one of the behaviors that makes us unique as human beings is our inclination to sacrifice competition for progress. Instead of forcing several individuals to pit their skills against one another with the end result being a single victor and a bunch of beaten dogs who no longer want to play the game or have forgotten what the prize was and just wanna throw down with the guy who beat them, we throw our talents into one pool so that everyone comes out a winner.
That trait isn't unique to us. I can think of another species on the planet that not only does this, but does it better and more consistently. They are called ants.
So, while Stalin was no peach, he was not exactly what you would call a died-in-the-wool atheist. He was more a secular minded religious opportunist, which is a personal character trait. He did not use atheism to gain control, but religious principles that were modified to fit his own, sick and twisted method of revolution.
The inflammatory comparison between the two is a logical fallacy in which the secular nature of Communism is assumed to justify the conclusion that all secularists are Communists, which is clearly not the case since an attribute of one system may also be an attribute of other systems. The American constitutional republic, for example, is also secular in nature.