The "One who does not believe in gods = Communist" conspiracy?, page 8

posted on May, 16 2014 @ 09:31 AM

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originally posted by: rickynews

originally posted by: windword
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Atheism is the rejection of the ideology of a "god". It's a default. If you say to me, this is what god is, or this is what god is like.....I then have the job of accepting what you say as true or not. Atheists reject every description of god and gods that they have been presented with, so far.

Communism is a socioeconomic method, and as I pointed out in your Supreme Court thread, communism was practiced by the Essene sect of Judaism, taught by Jesus and practiced by early Christians. Communism was first applied in religious communities. It's NOT an atheist invention.

IMO, Atheism is in and of itself, the definition of Extreme Narrowism and totally Closed Minded.

Got to love it when "believers", whether it be religion, pseudoscience, or CT, claim that people who don't also believe are not "open minded". I'm not sure most believers even know what "open minded" means, let alone other tactics common to them, like psychological projection.

Psychological projection is the act or technique of defending oneself against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in oneself, while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude.

Sound familiar believers?

Open-mindedness is generally considered an important personal attribute for effective participation in management teams and other groups. According to What Makes Your Brain Happy and Why You Should Do the Opposite, closed-mindedness, or an unwillingness to consider new ideas, can result from the brain's natural dislike for ambiguity. According to this view, the brain has a "search and destroy" relationship with ambiguity and evidence contradictory to people's current beliefs tends to make them uncomfortable by introducing such ambiguity. Research confirms that belief-discrepant-closed-minded persons have less tolerance for cognitive inconsistency.

The cognitive consistency theory is a substitute to Hull’s theory and yet it is the basis for equilibrium for individuals. This theory focuses on the balance individuals create cognitively when inconsistencies create tensions and thus motivate our brains and body to respond. This theory is very similar to the cognitive dissonance theory of Leon Festinger, which emphasizes the importance of positive and negative outcomes to reduce stressful choices. Although the cognitive consistency theory touches on this issue, it focuses on the affects of inconsistencies motivating people to react.

Yep . . . Totally sounds like a free thinking Atheist.

Some people's kids, I tell ya.

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rickynews

posted on May, 16 2014 @ 11:27 AM

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Not believing in an Almighty God is not only close minded, it is the narrowest of thinking possible.

AngryCymraeg

posted on May, 16 2014 @ 11:44 AM

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originally posted by: rickynews
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Not believing in an Almighty God is not only close minded, it is the narrowest of thinking possible.

Why? Why is it narrow thinking? Surely an inability to step away from religion is utterly and completely closed-minded.

rickynews

posted on May, 16 2014 @ 11:47 AM

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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: rickynews
a reply to: solomons path

Not believing in an Almighty God is not only close minded, it is the narrowest of thinking possible.

Why? Why is it narrow thinking? Surely an inability to step away from religion is utterly and completely closed-minded.

To prematurely have drawn a Definitive Conclusion, prior to further Scientific investigation and Evidence analysis, or explanation to all things seen, or unseen - including spiritual paranormal and/or phenomenon - and when admittedly humankind does not possess anywhere near All Knowledge, Wisdom or Understanding - is close minded, and narrow, and dark.

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AngryCymraeg

posted on May, 16 2014 @ 12:00 PM

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originally posted by: rickynews

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: rickynews
a reply to: solomons path

Not believing in an Almighty God is not only close minded, it is the narrowest of thinking possible.

Why? Why is it narrow thinking? Surely an inability to step away from religion is utterly and completely closed-minded.

To prematurely have drawn a Definitive Conclusion, prior to further Scientific investigation and Evidence analysis, or explanation to all things seen, or unseen - including spiritual paranormal and/or phenomenon - and when admittedly humankind does not possess anywhere near All Knowledge, Wisdom or Understanding - is close minded, and narrow, and dark.
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Well, given the fact that there is no proof that any god actually exists your use of the word 'premature' is rather incorrect. The bible alone does not tally with the archaeology on the ground. For me that adds up to a galloping case of atheism.

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solomons path

posted on May, 16 2014 @ 12:51 PM

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More psychological projection.

Humans have been search/investigating supernatural and divine claims since the dawn of civilization. As yet, not one piece of credible evidence has surfaced for any god of any religion.

The closed minded thing to do would be to keep believing in something, despite there being no evidence to do so. In fact, that is generally called being gullible.

Following the evidence to reach a conclusion, no matter what that conclusion is, is the exact opposite of closed minded.

Here's a video that might help you out with your confusion.

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peter vlar

posted on May, 16 2014 @ 01:43 PM

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originally posted by: rickynews
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Not believing in an Almighty God is not only close minded, it is the narrowest of thinking possible.

Not acknowledging that you could be wrong is the closed minded thinking here. Science, as well as those who work in it, is by no means perfect but at least the possibility of being wrong is at the heart of all experimentation and unknown data sets. There is no preconceived conclusion in science, only in fundamentalist religious mindsets does that exist. "The bible tells us it is so, therefore it must be so." Is a whole lot more closed minded than any stubborn bullheaded professor I've ever crossed paths with.

AndyMayhew

posted on May, 16 2014 @ 02:06 PM

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originally posted by: grainofsand
So...PEOPLE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ANY GODS, DO YOU SUPPORT COMMUNISM AND TYRANNY BECAUSE OF YOUR LACK OF BLIND FAITH?

No, I oppose tyranny. Though I actually think real communism is great (but impractical).

But surely the real question is why do those who believe in gods support tyranny - for example in many muslim countries today as well as many Christian countries in the past.

grainofsand

posted on May, 17 2014 @ 07:34 AM

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originally posted by: AndyMayhew
But surely the real question is why do those who believe in gods support tyranny - for example in many muslim countries today as well as many Christian countries in the past.

Good question.
I think those who believe in gods have already ceded responsibility for their lives to an invisible entity promoted by other humans. With that in mind it could follow that they find it easier then to blindly accept the words of their political masters if they claim such control is in the name of their religion.

Millions have died in the name of religion, and millions in the name of communism, but I am unaware of any deaths solely inspired by the lack of belief in gods.
*Note, I say lack of belief in gods (not the A word) because there are far to many uneducated people on ATS who either do not understand the meaning of atheist, or if they do rather pathetically attempt to twist it into anti-theist.

AngryCymraeg

posted on May, 17 2014 @ 08:07 AM

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I think that the infamous Ken Ham is a best example of closed-mindedness. During his disastrous debate with Bill Nye they were both asked what it would take to change their position. Nye said that it would take a single piece of evidence - showing how open his mind is. Ham said that nothing would persuade him - showing that his mind is not just closed but padlocked shut.

grainofsand

posted on May, 17 2014 @ 09:36 AM

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I was aware of Ham (total nutter or brilliant con artist) but I didn't know he stated in public that nothing would persuade him otherwise?! Yep, that is a closed mind for sure. Shot himself in the foot there, lol.

I have heard similar from religious types of all flavours over the years though, the "I know my god exists" stupid line when all reasonable debate is forced to an end. Curiously though, I've never heard anyone who doesn't believe in gods say that if new evidence was presented to support the claims they would dismiss it.
The overwhelming majority of people in my (non-digital) social circles do not believe in gods, but for sure if one of those alleged miracles we read in the Bible happened today, I would say most would be open to reconsidering their position.

I'm actually rather amused that Ricky came out with such a ridiculous claim of 'closed mindedness' for non believers in this thread, but it is useful again, for anyone questioning their faith, to understand how silly the zealous can be with their argument. Come join the evidence based side of society folks, it is based on things we know, not imagined.

Right now though, it's an absolutely beautiful day here on the SW coast of England so I'm going to enjoy some godless fun at a few cliff jumping spots with my son. Who knows, maybe some guy in a white dress and a beard will start walking on the sea below us and I'll come back a believer - I know, pics or it didn't happen! haha