Sandy Hook Forensic Evidence

67 posted some pics earlier, one of a VERY messy room alleged to be Adam's.

Anyway, there is a coin to the right there, I assumed it was a quarter, but it doesn't appear to be so. Has this coin been identified? Not that it matters, just curious here.

a reply to: smokenmirrors

The room itself is not messy at all. You are referring to a picture of some stuff on a desk (I assume), but the picture below that one shows an immaculate clean room, with nothing hanging on the wall, despite the reports of "every inch of every wall" was decorated with war-themed posters, etc.

ETA: This picture is just weird:



Seriously. Does it look like a young men was living here in seclusion? To me, it looks like a cheap motel room that was just decorated. The furniture looks cheap yet totally undamaged; no scratches, stickers or other signs of it being in use for any period of time. Besides that, the lack of "stuff" inside the cabinets, under or near the bed, on the floor is very strange to me. I could show you a picture of my room when I was a teenager, but it would be embarassing because of the mess everywhere.

On another note, I watched the entire video where a detective films the house room by room and I noticed a Dance Dance Revolution pad lying on the floor near Adam's room. Makes you wonder why he would spend money in an arcade hall to play the game, when he could play it at home too.

Well yeah, the thing that baffles me is the crazy room pic, devoid of anything but open space, and then that messy old night stand.....don't make sense.

And that ain't no quarter laying there, it's bothering me what that thing says on it, maybe it's a dance dance revolution arcade coin or something....

originally posted by: smokenmirrors
67 posted some pics earlier, one of a VERY messy room alleged to be Adam's.

Anyway, there is a coin to the right there, I assumed it was a quarter, but it doesn't appear to be so. Has this coin been identified? Not that it matters, just curious here.

All that stuff was found in the cabinet beneath a bathroom sink. Ever know anyone who would store phones, coins, glasses etc. under a sink? 99% of the time there would be cleaner, spare rolls of toilet paper there. Funny how those look exactly like Ryan's glasses, 2 brothers who chose the exact same frames? ....sure.....

The bedroom looks completely unused. How could anyone be in that room 24/7 for several years and have it look like that? No mess, no posters, not even a reading lamp.

As for the coin it says "No value" - probably a game token.

Naturally, anyone going off to kill their mother and slaughter a classroom full of children would want to leave their bed made up to look neat for the media.

I think I saw somewhere that Adam was staying in the basement. That would be why his room looks unused.

Here's something to ponder. Remember the envelope and the stamp that had someone else's DNA, matching a criminal in NY? Why did the envelope have a stamp since it was only addressed as "For the young students ..."? You don't put a stamp on if you're hand delivering it. And if you're planning to mail it, as implied by the stamp, you use a real mailing address.

a reply to: 3mperorConstantinE

Hey 3CE, your reply to me was something that was removed due to T&C.

*sigh*

From my end, my questions as previously posted, still remain...

peace,
AB

originally posted by: toidiem
a reply to: Asktheanimals

And privacy concerns can't be the reason in most cases - you don't need to protect the privacy of baby killers! So who are the authorities protecting?

Baby killers. You know, the actual one(s).

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Holy Deja Vu Karma, Batman! It just hit me: "NO VALUE" as in Patsy!!!, as in expendable soldier/ "cannon fodder" mentioned earlier in the thread. Could it be a cocky taunt left behind for us? Or maybe I've gone bat guano crazy.(Good that you could make that out ATA because I sure couldn't see it.)

I've been reading some of the stuff swansong posted on his and other sites, and darn it, I am totally confused on what went down. Some of the evidence supports a real mass casualty event somewhat tracking the official story; but some supports it being quite different (I don't know what exactly). In any case, it can't be good; it just has that spooky 9/11 coverup/psyop feel to it. I don't drink hard liquor but I sure feel like I could use a drink right now.

a reply to: zazen

Yea, I know but it's a sickening thought. And if true, just made worse by all these fine upstanding Connecticut citizens who won't speak out, whether it is due to fear or ....

a reply to: toidiem

holy effing diminishing returns, batman....i explained it to you a couple of pages ago, lol

a reply to: Daedalus

I know, that's why I chose the bat phraseology (I guess I should have linked it to your post to make it obvious.) Anyway, I am trying to focus on details that matter, like the DNA, weapons, and such. But, the holes in the fabric of the story keep tripping me up. What parts of the official evidence can we rely on when it doesn't add up?

Here's another one (don't recall this being brought up in this thread): what evidence is there in the released reports that Adam had Ryan's ID on him? And if he didn't how/why did they make that mistaken ID initially?

a reply to: toidiem

as i understand it, he didn't actually have ryan's ID on him...that was something that came from bad reporting....

a reply to: Daedalus

Are you sure the media did not get that from the Police? Because how else would they know who the shooter was? And this happened early. How would they even know about the brother Ryan at that point? Or do you think that the cops just gave his last name (unlikely) and the media figured it was Ryan, but then he did not even live in town anymore so ...

ETA: They may have and likely did listen to the police radio traffic regarding the license plate registration of the suspect vehicle, so that is a possibility, but there was confusion over that as well. If they just guessed that the shooter must be Ryan because the car was registered to Nancy, that is really sloppy. But OK, yea, that fits their style. Still, should say somewhere in the police reports how they ID'ed the suspect's body.

a reply to: toidiem

i'll dig around, but i remember reading that the whole ID thing was a product of the media frenzy , like a lot of things that were reported early on.

originally posted by: toidiem
a reply to: zazen



Yea, I know but it's a sickening thought. And if true, just made worse by all these fine upstanding Connecticut citizens who won't speak out, whether it is due to fear or ....

Who's going to say anything? If those responsible are willing to plan and carry out a hit on 20 small children, do you think there is anything they wouldn't do?

Put yourself in the position of Vance or Carver or anyone else who was ordered to lie and tamper with evidence and falsify documents. What would you do if you were told to play along and keep your mouth shut or everyone you love would be murdered, followed shortly thereafter by yourself?

ok guys, that's enough....

let's get back on topic...in case y'all have forgotten, the topic is "sandy hook forensic evidence", not "let's see how long we can talk s**te, before they lock the thread".

a reply to: Daedalus

agreed...until we have enough evidence to form plausible theories we should really try to stay focused on factual evidence.

I was wondering if Constantine could elaborate about the not up to date information regarding peter lanza and the public, as well as the boston library connection. Just really fascinated by some of the things you've brought forward in this thread and would love to hear more.

I decided to look at the DNA results more closely since I have experience analyzing STR results. I know perhaps no one cares, but I concur with the lab's interpretation of the results. And to save someone else making the point, yes I am relying on their data. I was simply checking their analysis and conclusions.

I do not however see how they can close this case with these DNA results as they are. The fact that Adam's DNA was on the forearm of the 223 rifle is practically meaningless, since it was (I assume) the gun from his house. There are several other people's DNA on the 223 rifle too, someone different on the 22 cartridges, and a still different person on the envelope, stamp and card. (IMO, even though the sample from the card was not as good of quality, it clearly has the makings of a match to the envelope and stamp.)

In what I analyzed, DNA from the 22 rifle was not included because they did not get good enough results for comparison. The DNA from the car door handles (whichever car it was) was also not mentioned in this report.