Sandy Hook Forensic Evidence

a reply to: 3mperorConstantinE


3CE (or anyone who knows),
Is there anything in the released documentation that says what car samples #40 and #41 were taken from? I went through the report linked in that post and did not see the car identified. The sample descriptions in the lab reports only mention which parts of the car, but not which car they were taken from. I find that very poor procedure and/or possibly suspicious since they do at one point include the serial number of at least one rifle in the lab report. Maybe there is a separate report on the car that details all this, but at least some sort of description or number should have been on the lab report IMO.

For all those here who have not been following the Sandy Hook threads...

What is the consensus so far about the odds of SH being a criminal conspiracy and/or a cover-up?

On a scale of 1 to 10 with the JFK murder, TWA Flight 800, and the 9/11 attacks all being a perfect 10.

In other words a 10 equates to there being no question at all about a criminal conspiracy and a cover-up being involved.

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: lemmin

Nowadays they can collect trace DNA. The skin oil from your face and fingers for example. They can get your DNA anywhere now.

Yes, they 'can' ... but, 'not' getting a DNA hit is not an indication of anything. It simply means the test results failed to provide an indication. There's a lot of leaping to conclusions ... when this thread is about 'facts'.

a reply to: Snarl

But getting the dna of a felon out of a different state isn't weird at all when it comes to the testing tho?
Unable to get the dna of killer but found the dna of some one else completely?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Snarl

But getting the dna of a felon out of a different state isn't weird at all when it comes to the testing tho?
Unable to get the dna of killer but found the dna of some one else completely?

No doubt. The lack of facts supporting specific findings has kept my interest in SH peaked.

Personal to ATA: I know you're on to something with those bullet holes in the window framing. The questions one has to ask is: Where were the shell casings from the bullets that made those holes? They reported the shell casings outside the SHES where Lanza made his entrance ... but why not these?

a reply to: Snarl

Ok I took your comment a little of base. Thought you were going for "the dna results mean nothing angle"
My bad

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Snarl

Ok I took your comment a little of base. Thought you were going for "the dna results mean nothing angle"
My bad

No worries. Touchy subject. Lots of folks consider me 'suspect' in these threads ... and I'm just about 'the facts' and what's obviously missing. 3CE (and others) have brought a lot to the forefront of a taboo ATS subject through a lot of hard work and perseverance.

originally posted by: Snarl
Personal to ATA: I know you're on to something with those bullet holes in the window framing. The questions one has to ask is: Where were the shell casings from the bullets that made those holes? They reported the shell casings outside the SHES where Lanza made his entrance ... but why not these?

Yep. I think the whole story would unravel if we knew where those shell casings were (inside a vehicle?), who shot them and at whom , and what the blood trail near the Subaru from NY meant in the grander scheme of things. None of those are addressed in the final report. Why no test on the blood samples in the parking lot?

I know the real story will be far more interesting than any version they've told us already.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

The whole story unraveled the first day they started reporting what happened. The only thing impeding the truth is now and always has been people who would rather nurture misguided feelings than ask and have answered hard questions. Questions that were not answered then, can not be answered now and will never be answered because they can't be.

Because they can't be, moral outrage, insinuated lack of compassion and guilt will be used to dissuade any rational argument against the nonsense that has been paraded as fact. This despite all of the actual facts.

originally posted by: Murgatroid
For all those here who have not been following the Sandy Hook threads...

What is the consensus so far about the odds of SH being a criminal conspiracy and/or a cover-up?

On a scale of 1 to 10 with the JFK murder, TWA Flight 800, and the 9/11 attacks all being a perfect 10.

In other words a 10 equates to there being no question at all about a criminal conspiracy and a cover-up being involved.

It's a no doubter 10 in my book. The whole thing has been unbelievable as soon as they started serving us the "story"

Big thread here, not sure if the following points have been made about a few of the evidence photos of the Lanza house:
First of all, this looks like a staged house out of the 90s with all of the cheap wooden furniture.
Then you have the fridge with no photos, no magnets, nothing on it. I bet the fridge was empty too.
Then I thought they said Adam had posters on his wall, guess none in his bedroom:

The basement, which Nancy had remodeled into a game room for Adam, now looked more like a military compound. Nearly every inch of the Sheetrock walls were covered with posters of weaponry and old tanks from World War II. Pictures of submarines, military equipment, and depictions of battle were proudly displayed.

Source

Then you have the two sets of eyeglasses next to "Adam's" ID. We have never seen a picture of Adam or Nancy wearing glasses.
Then you have two bowls, pristine! With a clean fork in one and a clean spoon in the other.
None of this makes sense, unless it is staged.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

I'm with you, ATA. I think there are even more important, unexplained details than the few you mention, but the total quantity of discrepancies and missing details is what stands out the most to me. The lack of some of these being properly addressed by authorities creates the appearance of an intentional cover-up more than just fumbling of their jobs, especially because some things are so obvious there's no way they could just slip through the cracks. And privacy concerns can't be the reason in most cases - you don't need to protect the privacy of baby killers! So who are the authorities protecting? Or what are they really hiding? That's what the effort here is about as I see it, on all these type events. So don't give up guys!

a reply to: six67seven

I am glad I am not the only on who questioned in my head the cheap wooden furniture in a $500k house. A lot of observant well said other points as well. I didn't notice the bowl and silverware the first time in that image..

a reply to: jaynkeel
Well, it seems pretty obvious to me that no one lived in that house. It looks much more like a house people rent out to others for a vacation/weekend, given there are no decorations, the cheap furniture, and the cleanliness.

More likely, it was a house used by the CIA as they planned SH, allegedly!

....or maybe nancy lanza just had really s**tty taste in furniture....

we're beginning to stray into the absurd, now.....switching gears from "serious", to "nitpick"...next stop: "bats**t insane"

what say we head this off at the pass, and get back on track, yes?

a reply to: Daedalus

Agreed, I pose the question is there any details regarding the original reports that ryan lanza was missing with his girlfriend and another person shortly after the shooting

a reply to: Navillus

Shortly after the shooting, he was being ID'ed as the dead suspect. He was still considered the suspect when the Hoboken police arrested him just after 2pm. I believe that report is posted somewhere earlier in this thread but I don't recall the page #. He told the cops he had just left work (no evidence that I know of confirming when he left work). He also told them his female roommate knew he was on the way home. And I recall that he had posted on facebook or twitter that he did not do it and I think he posted that from work. So there really wouldn't be much of a gap where he could have been missing AFAIK.


ETA: If you meant in the days following the shooting, then I think it would be only natural for him to keep a low profile to avoid the media blitz, so I don't see any reason for concern there. His father met him at the police station so it would not be surprising if they stayed together out of the public eye the next few days. But it's my impression Ryan hasn't been seen much in public since then. Same for his father. But can you blame them?

a reply to: Murgatroid

I think it's 10.

It's just like 911 and TWA800--the closer one looks, the more one finds that contradicts the official story.

As to Newtown, I take some degree of hopeful solace that if it was a staged training exercise and accompanying story, maybe nobody actually died.

a reply to: Salander

I agree...while I doubt we will ever know what really happened, I truly hope this massacre never occurred...at least not the way they say it did.

Thank you Emperor for this thread. You are truly the most intelligent, and thorough ATS member I have had the pleasure of reading posts from. I hope you continue your research and wish you the best of luck.

Anybody know the number of a released report that lists the evidence seized from Adam's body and his car?

I know Sec. 11 has the list for the home, but I want the one that says what he took with him to the school.