Sandy Hook Forensic Evidence

originally posted by: xavi1000

originally posted by: Navillus
I wish I could see the big picture

I wish i could see it too.Till now i heard one so called "reasonable" theory from one member, i dont remember who was.Sandy Hook school was for kids for witness protection program and you can go with the story from that.

That theory was posited by AsktheAnimals.

I appreciate the way this thread is laid out. A compelling case has been made that things didn't happen as has been presented to us by the official report and the media. There are too many obvious inconsistencies.

As many are well aware, we aren't entirely at liberty to speculate about the broad spectrum of possibilities. But recognizing that we are being lied to is a good place to start.

Asktheanimals attempts to assign noble motives to the lie with his Witness Protection Program theory. Others may speculate that something more sinister is at play. But again, maybe that is something to ponder in private.

Emperor Constantine

Thank you for providing so much information.

I wonder if you've considered the fact that the employees of the company that demolished the school were held to a Non Disclosure Agreement, and if you have any opinions on that? It seems unusual to me.

And some folks claim that the computers in the school had not been online, or whatever, for a number of years?

Has Ryan Lanza ever made any statements or been interviewed about anything surrounding the SH incident? ( other than his initial sttements to police when he was taken into custody).
Is there a birth certificate for Adam Lanza anywhere? Seems like Adam and Ryans info gets pretty mixed up alot of the time.

originally posted by: abdctd
Has Ryan Lanza ever made any statements or been interviewed about anything surrounding the SH incident? ( other than his initial sttements to police when he was taken into custody).
Is there a birth certificate for Adam Lanza anywhere? Seems like Adam and Ryans info gets pretty mixed up alot of the time.

This highlights another bizarre element. What has Ryan Lanza been up to since the police came and got him 17 months ago?

It's swell how well the media has respected his privacy, but you would think some gawker with a camera phone would have snapped a pic or 2 in all this time.

Has there been anything official on this front?

a reply to: abdctd and notquitesure
in re: Ryan Lanza

A partial explanation as to why the media isn't hounding him for an interview is because they can't find him.
You all are still absolutely correct, however; because it is bizarre. After all, if that was all there was to it, they'd be interviewing the friends of his that they can find. Also, in any other universe, Ryan Lanza would be suing the hell out of the Connecticut State Police and FOX News, just for starters.
But that's in a some other universe, where what is reported by the media and law enforcement bears at least a passing resemblance to external reality.

After he was picked-up in Hoboken by the FBI, Mr. ‘Ryan’ for all intents and purposes vanished into the cold-blue ether.

He was briefly seen leaving Nancy Lanza's memorial service in New Hampshire in the summer.
Gazing out from behind the mirrored-lenses of his sunglasses, with long, somewhat unkempt hair—in the back of a limousine along with Nancy's mother, brother, and whoever it is sitting beside him—this is the last known photograph of Ryan Lanza.



From the Stamford Advocate's article about his mother's memorial service:

Ryan Lanza, placing his hands on the lectern at the front of the church, looked into the crowd and began by saying that it dawns on you at a certain point, you realize you will probably bury your parents.

Then he paused. His eyes clouded for a moment. And he recalled all of the theatrical performances he appeared in, and how his mother always attended and cheered him on -- even the lame productions, the Boston Red Sox games …

The Dawn Hochsprung letter is quite odd. At no time in recent history has Sandy Hook School had an enrollment of 700 students. I'd presume a typo, except she then goes on to list the approximate number of parents.

I personally have always thought this letter was a bit suspect, and when I later found the real school enrollment reports (SHS had an actual enrollment of 456 students, not 700, at the time she wrote the letter) I became convinced the letter was some lawyer tactic to deflect suits. Kind of risky. But without further explanation, I don't see how a principal can accidentally propose an extra 150 students.

The Newtown Public School enrollment reports for SHS and other Newtown schools were very consistent--in November, SHS had an enrollment of 456; two adds brought it to 458:

www.newtown.k12.ct.us...

The December 21 enrollment report listed 20 drops for SHS, with a new enrollment figure of 438:

www.newtown.k12.ct.us...

Aside from the alleged Hochsprung letter indicating a bizarrely incorrect figure of 700, we now have Janet Robinson ordering an employee* to to list a new figure altogether for SHS enrollment in December: 489.

tinypic.com...

489? In order for this to be accurate, 31 students would have had to enroll in the two week period leading up to the shootings and then drop out, never once being reflected in any Newtown Public Schools enrollment report. That's 31 families spontaneously deciding to switch their kids to Sandy Hook School, and then leave just as mysteriously as they came, never once being counted in the official enrollment count.

I'd say it's just a typo, but look at that "8" in "489."

*CSP Final Report, 00006263

a reply to: 3mperorConstantinE

My initial thought upon hearing how many bullets were shot and in what a short amount of time was that either - A) an automatic weapon was used or - B) a shotgun using buckshot with each hole being counted as a "bullet". They did that at Aurora btw, reporting 50-some wounded though most of those had only a few bb sized pellets. That way they can inflate the numbers and make it appear as though the shooting "went on and on".

To play devil's advocate here per those posts: Sections of wall at a metals recycler? Those walls at the school are made of cinder block which would be crushed on site. All the doors I have seen in the school on classes and offices were made of wood. Only utility closet doors were made of metal. Also how would he know it was the principal's door unless it had a tag of some sort on it? Something about those posts just doesn't sit right with me.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
To play devil's advocate here per those posts: Sections of wall at a metals recycler? Those walls at the school are made of cinder block which would be crushed on site. All the doors I have seen in the school on classes and offices were made of wood. Only utility closet doors were made of metal. Also how would he know it was the principal's door unless it had a tag of some sort on it? Something about those posts just doesn't sit right with me.

One of the lots on site at the Sims Metal Management complex in New Haven, is leased to Laydon Industries, which does do concrete crushing/recycling.
There is also a junk/scrapyard as well.

The comments are definitely odd. For example, how did this person know that the principals door was made of wood in Dec 2012? (when they started leaving these comments). Also, if you recall, on some news stations, a very early version of events had the shooting confined to the principal's office. This version had the principal being the ‘target’ supposedly due to an altercation with a parent 4 days prior. When the shooting started the principal was doing “morning announcements” (hence the intercom being left on, etc).

However, the Dec 10 altercation was unrelated, according to the police report.

Most likely there is nothing to it; though their specificity (i.e., what/where/when) and consistency which made me take note of the information and ‘file it away upstairs’ … just in case.

a reply to: Zephyranth
Especially suspicious in Mrs. Robinson's email is the fact that they had 9 faculty members absent that day.

1/8 of the staff stayed home?

The enrollment is definitely a bizarre issue, since I have seen all sorts of numbers, which is very strange in its own rite.
I've never seen a school be all over the place like that.

The news reports that day gave figures as high as 800 students.


Official school figures:

Previous decade:
1993/1994 (563) - 2001/2002 (760)


from the same source as above, going from the 2001/2002 school year we have a major drop of 98 students:
2003: 658

Enrollment for the past decade:


November 30, 2011: 520

Now, look at this:
Enrollment as of November 30, 2012: it says 456.

However on the next page, when it shows the enrollment per grade, it says: 521
(with the row: “Check: 65” immediately below).

521 – 65 = 456

So what's “Check: 65” mean?

Perhaps someone could explain that to me.

Also weird is that the both the Nov. 2011 and Nov. 2012 enrollment pages are dated 12/14/12 (in the lower right-hand corner)

originally posted by: 3mperorConstantinE

originally posted by: AboveBoard
The "Stepping Up" Fifth Grade program - was that simply evidence of Mrs. Lanza being a volunteer for the 5th grade class? Or is it specifically and officially reported as "Adam Lanza's" 5th Grade Stepping Up program? If it is "officially" in police reports as his then it is wrong. But since it is with the "Thank You" to a "Special Volunteer" card, it makes me think this was from a class she volunteered for...???

Notice how the position of the ‘Thanks for being such a special volunteer’ card —one referencing “children (having) a great year”—is in spatial proximity to a Sandy Hook School graduation program;
One's mind automatically associates that bit of information with earlier reports of Ms. Lanza having been a teacher ⇢ teacher's aide ⇢ substitute ⇢ volunteer at the school.
The truth of the matter is that the person who penned the card, Mr. Thomas Lovell, has spent his life volunteering at hospitals, most notably at programs associated with the New Britain Hospital for Special Care run through Quinnipiac University† and never worked at SHS.

~ﺡ

 

† Quinnipiac University is Ryan Lanza's alma mater, incidentally.

Okay. So I see you are saying the "Thank You" card is potentially from somewhere else, such as the NB Hospital for Special Care. Having it next to the Sandy Hook Stepping Up program makes them look connected, when, you are saying, they are not connected, because Thomas Lovell was not a volunteer or employed at SHS? (You are certain he did not coordinate volunteers at SHS? I'm just trying to eliminate possibilities to see if this card is from a place other than SCS, such as the Hospital.)

I originally asked if you knew what the Stepping Up program was being shown as evidence for - Adam Lanza (in which case it is wrong) or Nancy Lanza (referring to her as a volunteer at the school). Do we know anything about what is said regarding these two pieces of "evidence" and why they are considered "evidence?"

That was my original question, which I'm still not clear on. Do you have more info on this? Originally you said, regarding this piece of evidence:

Well you have “Adam Lanza's” Sandy Hook School 5th Grade ‘Stepping-Up’ Ceremony” dated June 10, 1999:
With the only problem being … that ‘Adam P. Lanza’ would have just turned 7.

Your Post

So - back to my question, is there any evidence that the official report has called this "Adam Lanza's Stepping Up program?" or was it used to show his mother volunteered for the 5th grade class? (Not saying she did, just asking.)

Also, where did you find the info on Mr. Lovell? I know it may seem that I'm being picky and I'm sorry if it comes off that way - just trying to make sense of this. You have done an amazing job collecting and presenting the complexities of Sandy Hook, 3CE.

Thank you,
AB

ps - Did Adam have any known connection to the New Britain Hospital for Special Care? They have an Autism Center, and given what has been shared as Adam's history, he would have been at least evaluated for autism somewhere - as someone on the Aspergers or high-functioning side (social problems, behavior issues, repetitive play - i.e. DDR, etc.). I'm NOT diagnosing him, just putting this out there as a possibility. Due to HIPPA, this information is probably sealed. My point with this is that IF the note is from the Hospital for Nancy's volunteer work (as opposed to SHS), that parents often volunteer places that have a direct connection to their kids or family issues...

a reply to: 3mperorConstantinE

The first page is titled.......ENROLLMENT......the second page........CLASS SIZE

To me that means actual kids per class and possible capacity per class.

originally posted by: 3mperorConstantinE
a reply to: Zephyranth
Especially suspicious in Mrs. Robinson's email is the fact that they had 9 faculty members absent that day.

1/8 of the staff stayed home?

I was always wondering about this piece of info.
I knew there were 2 or 3......but 8 ????????

I appreciate all the evidence presented in this thread. It beats the usual point-counterpoint arguing we see in most others. And I can hardly find any intelligent vids on Utube. But anyway I was looking around to try to see what more I could piece together on the details that still don't fit. And I was watching Dr. Carver's comment about "hope it doesn't come crashing down on their heads." This was just after he had been commenting on what a good job his staff was doing. It was hard to figure out what he could have meant considering the context, but I think I understand. He was probably saying he hoped the stress of dealing with the event didn't cause them problems. So, even though he is a quirky/goofy old dude, I don't see anything suspicious about his comments in that TV press briefing. Keep digging for more hard evidence though guys [wish I could help], and see who's behind the curtain.

a reply to: 3mperorConstantinE

You should be a writer for a tv show, always leave us with just enough to spark an interest and awaiting your next post lol.
And I know you don't do it for the kicks, but to get us to dive into the research ourself and find our own answer, well that is what I assume anyway.

That report card is very interesting tho, thanks for that bit of info there

I only hope that Emperor Constantine will someday work with Wolfgang Halbig or Jim Fetzer.

I think I've learned more small but relevant details on this thread in 1 week than I've learned in the entire year + since it happened.

originally posted by: Salander
I only hope that Emperor Constantine will someday work with Wolfgang Halbig or Jim Fetzer.

I think I've learned more small but relevant details on this thread in 1 week than I've learned in the entire year + since it happened.

Constantine has done far more real research than either of those men, both of whom have questionable ethics and whose involvement in SH research may be less than genuine according to some (myself included)
I have yet to hear of either Halbig or Fetzer coming up with anything new about Sandy Hook on their own.

A good complement to this evidence based thread would be another thread detailing unresolved questions (lack of evidence). I'm trying to put my own personal list together (at least in my head) just to help me make sense of it. I did a search and thought I had found just the ticket "Sand Hook Anomalies Persist" but that one is closed. I wonder if ATS would even let such a thread exist. FWIW, I am not referring to the full hoax theory, where nothing happened. To me the evidence presented here reinforces that this event was real, it's just that the OS isn't the whole truth, as usual.