Benghazi: The American People Want The Truth

originally posted by: Daedalus

originally posted by: butcherguy
One thing is known. A post mortem examination was done... but no results released.

because it probably wouldn't have supported the hate-filled "brown people are the motherf**king devil" narrative that was all the rage at the time...

Hard to say when it hasn't been released.
But judging by the way the Obama Administration was handling things, it may have been the case that he was mutilated and that would not have looked good for the re-election chances of a President that had declared al Qaeda to be 'on the run'.

originally posted by: Daedalus

originally posted by: gusdynamite
Good grief - you're absolutely right! This is still just a garden variety distraction, though and I'm not very convinced that Americans were all batsht crazy that it happened until recently.

lol, what's absolutely astounding to me(moreso than your error) is that you said "two and a half years ago" SEVERAL times, and NOBODY ELSE caught it....kinda makes ya' laugh a little, don't it?

anyway, naw, ALL americans aren't flipping out over it..hell, most probably don't even care, because it doesn't have anything to do with the kardashians, or miley cyrus, or honey boo-boo, or whatever the f**k it is people watch these days...they're too busy being distracted with all that crap, in addition to whatever other major crap happens on a daily basis...

yeah, there's probably a political motivation behind it's recent resurgence in the media, but that doesn't make the event, or the issues surrounding it any less relevant, or important...

You are onto something in the way of some of the American public at least are certainly - and I believe purposely - being distracted, and specifically regarding the Benghazi story. What is troubling, is certain news media, including CNN, MSNBC, CNBC and other major news media such as CBS, ABC, NBC all seem to pay little or no attention to the Benghazi story, cover-up and scandal - yet when it comes to various trivial matters, the aforementioned media channels and even some newspapers seem all too consumed.
Genuine, unbiased and objective news reporting - including straight-forward journalism - by some of media... is all but dead in America, and as a result, the American People aren't able to get the information which they are entitled to have, and which may assist them in choosing or not choosing certain candidates for the purpose of elections.

a reply to: Daedalus

I think I mixed up my timeframe because I can barely even recall what day of the week it is these days, the years seem to fly past that the days and weeks pass by in a sneeze.

I agree that the whole thing was a disaster and a tragedy. So large, I believe, that this is why I am completely appalled that those who are now bleating on about it as though the sky is falling can't seem to see that they should have been doing their sheep noises a while ago.

It's difficult for an outsider like myself to take The USA very seriously, anymore though. I know we're all brethren, but heavens above they make it difficult for us. Off-topic, but take the recent US government rhetoric about the Ukraine situation. It seems ludicrous to hear them use such strong words and so vehemently that everyone else uses to describe exactly the same behaviour of the US government. The irony shouldn't be lost on anyone even in the least switched on.

I have noticed that people there do seem to be getting their sht together lately, though - do you think that's the case? Americans appear to be beyond getting fed up and I think they're at the stage where they're turning from the cliches we all love to hate, to smarter individuals and trying to figure out the best course of action to get the job they know needs to be done, done.

a reply to: gusdynamite

as far as the passage of time goes, yeah, i totally hear you on that one...it's been nearly two years since i had a job, but it feels like just yesterday, i was telling my boss how big of a prick he was, for pushing me out of the company, on my last day...

i don't think the vast majority of americans care about the ukraine situation either...not because they understand that it's none of our business, and we shouldn't be involved, but because it has nothing to do with the other useless things i mentioned above....in other words, they're completely oblivious, and apparently like it that way..

sadly, there may be slightly more of us who see what's up, and are waking up to how truly screwed things are here, but i still think we're a long way away from being the same nation that saved yours from the japanese 70 years ago..

it's sad, and kinda weird....i never lived in that america, but i miss it...

originally posted by: WhereAreTheGoodguys
The head of Target was let go/quit today because of the credit breach.. How much did he know about computer security? Don't matter he was the one in charge..

No. The CEO of Target was given the boot to try to gain public goodwill, which was lost mostly because Target covered up the breach so as to not hurt their 4th quarter earnings. He was most certainly responsible for that flagrant earnings-before-customers approach.

originally posted by: butcherguy
Hard to say when it hasn't been released.
But judging by the way the Obama Administration was handling things, it may have been the case that he was mutilated and that would not have looked good for the re-election chances of a President that had declared al Qaeda to be 'on the run'.

So now the narrative is that al Qaeda who set the fire that killed Ambassador Stevens?

a reply to: Greven

So now the narrative is that al Qaeda who set the fire that killed Ambassador Stevens?

Where did I say that?

a reply to: Daedalus

I never lived in it, either - but I was raised on it. That's why it boils my blood to see it in the state it's in now.

I honestly do think issues like this will raise the ire of the American people enough to become the leaders they once were - albeit briefly. But, I also do agree with you that it's a while away. Better to go in the right direction slowly, the the wrong directions fast!

originally posted by: Greven
So now the narrative is that al Qaeda who set the fire that killed Ambassador Stevens?

Citizens’ Commission on Benghazi Releases Interim Report

Has the Obama administration switched sides in the War on Terror, providing arms and aid to militants linked to al Qa’eda? This conclusion was strongly hinted at during the Citizens’ Commission on Benghazi (CCB) conference held last September to uncover the truth behind the Benghazi, Libya attacks of 2012. “Here’s the sentence, here’s the headline, that the Obama administration does not want broadcast anywhere or printed anywhere: ‘Obama Administration Arms Al Qaeda,’” said Judicial Watch’s Chris Farrell at the time. Farrell’s words would prove prescient.

In its new Interim Report, the product of months of interviews with sources knowledgeable about what was happening in Libya, the CCB uncovers that, indeed, arms were going to al Qa’eda. “The U.S. facilitated the delivery of weapons and military support to al Qa’eda-linked rebels in Libya,” states one of the key findings of the report. The report also includes a summary of the 85 Freedom of Information Act requests submitted by Accuracy in Media (AIM) and the CCB.

Members of the CCB

Roger Aronoff (Editor, Accuracy in Media)
Capt. Larry Bailey, (SEAL), USN (Ret.)
Lieutenant Colonel Kenneth Benway, U.S. Army Special Forces (Retired)
Col. Dick Brauer Jr., USAF (Ret.)
Lt. Col. Dennis B. Haney, USAF (Ret.)
B/Gen. Charles Jones, USAF (Ret.)
Clare Lopez, former CIA officer
Admiral James Lyons (Ret.)
General Thomas McInerney (Ret.)
Col. Wayne Morris USMC (Ret.)
Chet Nagle
John A. Shaw
Kevin Shipp, former CIA officer
Wayne Simmons, former CIA officer
General Paul Vallely (Ret.)
Former Congressman and Retired Army Lieutenant Colonel Allen West

There are videos of the statements given at the conference Here.

They are YouTube vids, but unlisted and I choose to respect their wishes and let you go watch them if you so choose.

THIS video is not unlisted and, whether you care for Stefan or not, Roger Aronoff is his guest.



Here is a link to the Report. FYI, it is in PDF format. The report also includes a summary of the 85 Freedom of Information Act requests submitted by Accuracy in Media (AIM) and the CCB.

Also, here is a link to Additional Documents, (also in PDF format) including relevant articles, that support and clarify points made in the Interim Report.

a reply to: Daedalus

There were full color photos running in the media within hours of his death, of his lifeless body being dragged to the hospital. Nothing like Mogadishu, but close enough for flashbacks I'm sure.

(Cryptome has an entire series which is made up of photos from the terrorists and from that night...it appeared public within 24 hours of the battles...they were showing off and all but said as much.. No links I'll put for reasons of decency. That's where to locate them in one credible place though.)

By the way... We had to negotiate his body back from them..who were mixed with non combatants at the hospital by the time we got the exchange arranged. They first offered to hand it over if we'd just come get it....yeah....like Mogadishu.. Wisely, our guys said 'No Thanks'..and worked it out.

The stories of "They were trying to save him.." appeared within hours as well...but faded with time as I recall. Another case of speaking before knowing more than guess work in some who made statements, for the best interpretation.

Sure, I want the truth about Benghazi that resulted in the death of four of our people. I also wait for the truth about Iraq and the WMDs that were a pretext to war that resulted in the deaths of 4,500 of our troops, 100,000 civilian casualties and why it has cost $4 trillion after we wer5e told it would ony cost $200 billion. Both sides owe us the truth.

a reply to: butcherguy

That is probably a detail the country is better off not knowing while direct relatives are alive to be impacted and the situation for the long term is still unresolved.

No one rapes like this..MAY have been...or may not have been...for sex. Gadaffi had the same thing happen to him in the street, in the dirt and by an enraged mob. Nothing the least bit sexual about it. It was horrible and disgusting....but not how we think of that act.

It's about ripping from the victim the very last they have to be taken in this life. Dignity, Self Respect, and self as a whole. It's about sending your enemy to the great beyond with as terrible a stain of shame and defeat as one can send them with...or helping them never reach it at all.

Think of it like General Pershing and his pigs....we just don't think the same for using rape in our culture, IMO.

Same end result and thinking, as I've read this and had it explained. (Anyone who knows differently, feel free to add to or correct this)

a reply to: Wrabbit2000
I just put the Snopes article up there to show how little we can be sure of as to what happened that night.
People saying that nothing needs to be investigated further seem to think that everything is 'cut and dried' and there is nothing left to be learned.
That is pretty far from the truth.

a reply to: butcherguy

Oh, don't get me wrong, it's just my opinion on that avenue not needing more looking. I'd never suggest someone is wrong to look into it, as it HAS come up and I first heard it the same day the American team recovered his body from the locals. I heard a whole lot more than the mere general accusation, but that's what I'm just not comfortable with touching. I feel downright dirty even getting this far into it because of the nature, inflammatory impact and cultural issues.

If it happened..I'll say that after watching what they did to Gadaffi? It won't surprise me. I'll never understand it. I have no desire to even try to understand it. I just accept the fact that some tactics used commonly in other areas of the world, since long before we were a nation or thought of becoming one, are 'the way things are' and the people who employ them know what it's all about to them.

I'd add this tho...in my personal take on that tactic in war? If I were among a unit where that started to happen (Think "Casualties of War")....I'd have a very difficult decision to make on a level of simple humanity and transcending any thought of flag, victory or national identity. Do I allow what I believe to be evil or erase the evil that is doing it?

Hopefully...I'm never in the presence of it to have to decide. People may not like that outcome, I'd think. I honestly don't know, either. It'd be two impossible choices, with neither presenting an outcome I'd easily live with, later.

This is more like....

"American people only want the cherry picked truth"

More 50 people died under George Bush’s Presidency, which includes 13 embassy/consulate attacks.... no one bats an eye... 4 people die under Obama "Omg save the children! ambassadors!

a reply to: luciddream

you're a little late to the party, my friend.....this point has already been made, and killed...

I think its very important and I want the truth on Bengazi as an American who pays attention as much as I can. The truth was hidden as well as the participants who were rescued followed by what has all appearances of a political cover up and a sitting President may have lied outright to the American people during a nationally televised debate in order to gain re-election. Yup I'd say that's important to know and if true it may rise to an impeachable offense.

originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: luciddream

you're a little late to the party, my friend.....this point has already been made, and killed...

i dont see the killed part.

Unless you think one ambassadors life is worth more because it happened under Obama admin. Then that would fall into partisanship bias.

Meh, this is "same" just like all those others attacks that left consults and embassy dead and destroyed.

Making it more serious to smear is pretty pointless.

Before Obama could even be tried, Bush should have been charged and in jail.

That failed and this will fail and pass over.

a reply to: luciddream

The attacks during the prior administration did not have the administration concocting reasons for the attacks out of thin air so as to avoid scandal ahead of an upcoming election followed by what has all appearance's of an ongoing cover-up again predicated on an upcoming election.

Lying is like an iceberg, one can only see 10% of it but buoyancy changes and expose's the other 90%, usually at the worst time for the lying parties interests.

Nonetheless if you believe those previous attacks were not FULLY and OPENLY investigated I suggest you contact your Congressman, Senator and President requesting an investigation.

originally posted by: luciddream
i dont see the killed part.

Unless you think one ambassadors life is worth more because it happened under Obama admin. Then that would fall into partisanship bias.

Meh, this is "same" just like all those others attacks that left consults and embassy dead and destroyed.

Making it more serious to smear is pretty pointless.

Before Obama could even be tried, Bush should have been charged and in jail.

That failed and this will fail and pass over.

now you're being intellectually dishonest.

it has NOTHING to do with the fact that obama is in office...could we please stop the victim complex?

the point is killed because of the fact that other embassy attacks were not as severe as this one, and did not result in the complete overrun, and destruction of the facilities..they also did not involve coverups, and lies about the cause, and circumstances...

the argument of "there were attacks under bush" is idiotic, for the reasons stated above...not to mention there have been other embassy attacks during the obama administration, but none of them were as severe as benghazi, and nobody covered up the circumstances and reasons for them...

a reply to: Wrabbit2000

I love your optimism, but our "nation" is a black hole of questions.