Benghazi: The American People Want The Truth

a reply to: Greven

"Ambassador Stevens and Sean Smith died of smoke inhalation due to the fire, in roughly 30 minutes of the first attack. Their deaths may have even been accidental, but they weren't brutally killed or shot."

"but they weren't brutally killed",,are u serious?,,

www.google.ca...:en-USfficial&channel=sb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei =4SFpU7WXKaTuyAHKiYHYAg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=631

pic an image tell me which death was not brutal?

at least keep it real.

a reply to: BobAthome

So, tell me...Who left the bloody handprint on the column outside the front door...and who left their blood all over the inside (ALL over) the consulate vehicle? It was my understanding that staffer had a bit of a rough time.

If not his though, I'm serious about who did lose all that blood?

The two CIA security staff died in a mortar attack. (Well armed protesters...eh?)

a reply to: BobAthome

"but they weren't brutally killed",,are u serious?

Smoke inhalation makes your head bleed?
There was brutality there, of course. And it was being watched in real-time in the situation room at the White House....
While Obama played cards, spades was the game... according to the only person that has mentioned knowing of his whereabouts at the time.

Link to site with video of Obama aide saying he played spades with the president while Benghazi attack happened. Sorry, the Youtube video that did exist has been removed.... It is documented though.

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originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: Greven

"Ambassador Stevens and Sean Smith died of smoke inhalation due to the fire, in roughly 30 minutes of the first attack. Their deaths may have even been accidental, but they weren't brutally killed or shot."

"but they weren't brutally killed",,are u serious?,,

www.google.ca...:en-US

fficial&channel=sb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei =4SFpU7WXKaTuyAHKiYHYAg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=631

pic an image tell me which death was not brutal?

at least keep it real.

Keep it real? I agree. You're aware that there have been several images purporting to show the tortured body of Christopher Stevens that are are known to be of other people? The most popular fake with the cattle prod is actually from 2009?

a reply to: Flatfish

I'll ask you the same thing I asked the other person. Which of those attacks resulted in the death of a full Ambassador and the total loss, followed by total destruction of the facility?

We have lost 7 Ambassadors before Stevens. It's right we know who they are.

Laurence A. Steinhardt - Killed in Plane Crash / 1950
Arnold L. Raphel - Killed in a plane crash / 1988

John Gordon Mein - Assasinated in Guatemala / 1968
Cleo A. Noel, Jr.- Killed in Karhtoum, Sudan / 1973
Rodger P. Davies - Killed in Nicosia, Cyprus / 1974
Francis E. Meloy, Jr. - Killed in Lebanon / 1976
Adolph Dubs - Killed in Kabul, Afghanistan / 1979

Christopher Stevens - Killed in Benghazi, Lybia / 2012

It's not a common thing to have a U.S. facility over-run and destroyed. It's FAR from a common thing to have an Ambassador murdered.

When we know what the people who organized and pursued the attack were after, we'll know what this was about.

Our nation couldn't give these men the help they so desperately required and called for.

Our nation CAN give them the respect of not having died in a black hole of questions.

a reply to: theantediluvian

actually i watched it live on ustream and live video uplinks,, too yup u tube,,
the NSA has nothing on the Internet,,, if u know where too look.

so stop it.

a reply to: Wrabbit2000

actually i want too know why Obama was not on the phone too Morisi in Egypt telling him too call off his dogs.

Or is that why Morisi is now # canned?

originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: theantediluvian

actually i watched it live on ustream and live video uplinks,, too yup u tube,,
the NSA has nothing on the Internet,,, if u know where too look.

so stop it.

Next thing you know, they will be telling you that he really didn't die... that he is just taking a nap.

a reply to: Wrabbit2000

How many of those resulted in the over-run and total destruction of the facility with the resident Ambassador murdered in the process?

So it's only important if an Ambassador dies? So the deaths of other Americans should just be ignored? In 2006 U.S. diplomat David Foy was killed in the attack in Karachi Pakistan. Shouldn't FOX have been all over this crying that Bush didn't defend Americans and where was he at? There were two attacks in Pakistan during the Bush years but never did anyone say why wasn't security increased.

a reply to: buster2010

So it's only important if an Ambassador dies? So the deaths of other Americans should just be ignored?

You've read too many of my posts on too many things to believe I really think that way. I've said in this very thread, more than once, that isn't this case for events.

Look at the message I was replying to. I was replying in context, and that set my focus and points for the note.

All 4 men mean exactly the same amount to their families and who they left behind. No doubt. Priceless...to those folks.

originally posted by: BobAthome
pic an image tell me which death was not brutal?

at least keep it real.

Do feel free to link to the 'actual brutal death image' that you so believe to be real. Especially since you later seem to claim to have seen LIVE VIDEO of it. I believe the old saying is "pics or it didn't happen." Only, in the age of digital image editing, pics are harder to trust than video.

I have testimony from people there backing up my claims. You have a Google image search.

originally posted by: butcherguy
Smoke inhalation makes your head bleed?

Passing out from asphyxia and falling, hitting your head on a hard surface, would not be outside the realm of possibility, would it?

a reply to: Greven
Certainly a possibility.
Seems like a really pleasant way to go, eh?
I wonder if the 'demonstrators' setting fire to the place and attacking it with machine guns and mortars had anything to do with his smoke inhalation?

Did you ever see photos of the compound after the attack? Looks like it was real fun.

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: Wrabbit2000

How many of those resulted in the over-run and total destruction of the facility with the resident Ambassador murdered in the process?

So it's only important if an Ambassador dies? So the deaths of other Americans should just be ignored? In 2006 U.S. diplomat David Foy was killed in the attack in Karachi Pakistan. Shouldn't FOX have been all over this crying that Bush didn't defend Americans and where was he at? There were two attacks in Pakistan during the Bush years but never did anyone say why wasn't security increased.

For the record, it has been over 20 years since a U.S. Ambassador was killed. Mr. Obama , on several occassions, has promised to find and bring to justice those who were responsible for the murder of his very own Ambassador, Mr. Stevens, and the other 3 murdered Americans. It has been 19 months, and the families of the murder victims and all Americans are still waiting for Mr. Obama to fulfill his promise. In the meantime, those who seek the truth are lamely denigrated and labeled by The White House as "conspiracy theorists". Where have we all heard those type of false labels before?

a reply to: rickynews

I think thats pretty presumpuous of you speaking for the entire nation. Not everyone wants to know. Should they know? Of course. Should it all come out? Absolutely.

But the part of your assumption thats flawed is the statement that all Americans want to know. Thats not true. Myself and many others Im sure...couldnt care less about it. Its just another piece of nonsense the government pulled on us. There will be more.....

And please....dont try and tell me why it should matter. I get it. I dont care. And Im not alone. Same with the missing plane, and the ferry sinking...tragic, but predictable and with the way the US is? Much more coming....there always is...

Nice writing though...but sorry. MS

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: Flatfish

I'll ask you the same thing I asked the other person. Which of those attacks resulted in the death of a full Ambassador and the total loss, followed by total destruction of the facility?

We have lost 7 Ambassadors before Stevens. It's right we know who they are.

Laurence A. Steinhardt - Killed in Plane Crash / 1950
Arnold L. Raphel - Killed in a plane crash / 1988

John Gordon Mein - Assasinated in Guatemala / 1968
Cleo A. Noel, Jr.- Killed in Karhtoum, Sudan / 1973
Rodger P. Davies - Killed in Nicosia, Cyprus / 1974
Francis E. Meloy, Jr. - Killed in Lebanon / 1976
Adolph Dubs - Killed in Kabul, Afghanistan / 1979

Christopher Stevens - Killed in Benghazi, Lybia / 2012

It's not a common thing to have a U.S. facility over-run and destroyed. It's FAR from a common thing to have an Ambassador murdered.

And just exactly why should I treat the fact that a "full ambassador" was killed in this particular attack with any more scrutiny than I would in an attack that only killed non-full ambassadors? Are they some kind of extra special people who deserve some kind of special justice that others don't deserve?

We currently have somewhere in the neighborhood of 300 Embassies and Consulates around the world, some of which are located in countries that are much more volatile and dangerous than others. On top of that, some ambassadors choose to take more risk than others and Ambassador Stevens was one of those.

Furthermore, seeing how there are only 169 currently serving "full ambassadors," compared to the many hundreds of other personnel located at those embassies and consulates, it makes perfect sense that the death of a "full ambassador" during an attack would be a rare event.

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
When we know what the people who organized and pursued the attack were after, we'll know what this was about.

Our nation couldn't give these men the help they so desperately required and called for.

Really?

www.washingtonpost.com... 2-9313-3c7f59038d93_story_1.html

The CIA timeline was described to me Thursday by a senior intelligence official. The narrative of events is dramatic and disturbing. Rather than try to parse each detail, let’s look at a summary of the highlights. The times listed are Benghazi time on the night of Sept. 11 and the morning of Sept. 12:

●9:40 p.m.: A senior State Department security officer at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi called the CIA base, at an annex about a mile away, and requested assistance: “The compound is under attack. People are moving through the gates.” CIA officers at the base can hear the alarm, and a team immediately begins gathering weapons and preparing to leave.

●10:04 p.m.: A six-person rescue squad from the agency’s Global Response Staff (GRS) leaves in two vehicles. The team leader is a career CIA officer; the team includes a contractor named Tyrone Woods, who later died. During the previous 24-minute interval, the CIA base chief calls the February 17 Brigade, other militias and the Libyan intelligence service seeking vehicles with .50-caliber machine guns. Nobody responds. The team leader and the base chief agree at 10:04 that they can’t wait any longer, and the squad heads for the consulate.

The senior intelligence official said that he doesn’t know whether Woods or any of the other team members agitated to go sooner but added that he wouldn’t be surprised. “I want them to have a sense of urgency,” he said.

●10:10 p.m.: The rescue team reached a chaotic intersection a few blocks from the consulate. Militias gathered there have several .50-caliber machine guns, which the CIA team tries unsuccessfully to commandeer; three militiamen offer to help. The rescue party now includes 10 people: six GRS officers, a CIA translator and the three Libyan volunteers.

●10:20 p.m.: A reconnaissance party of two GRS officers heads to the consulate; at 10:25, three more GRS officers enter the main gate and begin engaging the attackers. The firefight lasts about 15 minutes.

●10:40 p.m.: Members of the CIA team enter the burning inferno of “Villa C,” where Ambassador Christopher Stevens is believed to be hiding. CIA officers try numerous times to reach the “safe room” but are driven back by the intense smoke and fire. Small-arms fire continues from the Libyan attackers.

●11:11 p.m.: An unarmed military Predator drone arrives over the compound to provide aerial reconnaissance. The drone had been diverted from a mission over Darnah, about 90 minutes away. But without weapons, it can’t help much.

●11:15 p.m.: The CIA team puts a group of State Department officers into a vehicle and sends it to the agency base; at 11:30, the CIA officers depart under fire and reach the annex six minutes later.

●11:56 p.m.: CIA officers at the annex are attacked by a rocket-propelled grenade and small arms. Sporadic attacks continue for about another hour. The attacks stop at 1:01 a.m., and some assume the fight is over.

●1:15 a.m.: CIA reinforcements arrive on a 45-minute flight from Tripoli in a plane they’ve hastily chartered. The Tripoli team includes four GRS security officers, a CIA case officer and two U.S. military personnel on loan to the agency. They don’t leave the Benghazi airport until 4:30 a.m. The delay is caused by negotiations with Libyan authorities over permission to leave the airport; obtaining vehicles; and the need to frame a clear mission plan. The first idea is to go to a Benghazi hospital to recover Stevens, who they rightly suspect is already dead. (Also killed was a State Department communication specialist.) But the hospital is surrounded by the al-Qaeda-linked Ansar al-Sharia militia that mounted the consulate attack.

●5:04 a.m.: The team from Tripoli arrives at the CIA base. Glen Doherty, one of the GRS men from Tripoli, goes to the roof and joins Woods in firing positions.

●5:15 a.m.: A new Libyan assault begins, this time with mortars. Two rounds miss and the next three hit the roof. The rooftop defenders never “laser the mortars,” as has been reported. They don’t know the weapons are in place until the indirect fire begins, nor are the mortars observed by the drone overhead. The defenders have focused their laser sights earlier on several Libyan attackers, as warnings not to fire. At 5:26 the attack is over. Woods and Doherty are dead and two others are wounded.


●6 a.m.: Libyan forces from the military intelligence service finally arrive, now with 50 vehicles. They escort the Americans to the airport. A first group of 18, including two wounded, depart at 7 a.m. A second group of 12, plus the four dead, leave at 10 a.m. for Tripoli and then the long flight back to America.

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
Our nation CAN give them the respect of not having died in a black hole of questions.

There's no "black hole" of questions, only a black hole that refuses to accept the answers. Namely, that black hole of empty space located between the ears of those who subscribe to the fear mongering being propagated by the GOP, Fox News and the rest of the right wing blow-hard pundits.

I am begging somebody to explain to me why this is all so relevant to Americans now, when it was barely a blip on the news radar for them when it happened two and a half years ago.

originally posted by: gusdynamite
I am begging somebody to explain to me why this is all so relevant to Americans now, when it was barely a blip on the news radar for them when it happened two and a half years ago.

i guess it depended on what news you were watching.

it even came up in the debates with romney and obama.

the msm didn't cover it because of obama mania and his run for a 2nd term.
which is why it was originally politicized, by the dems.

there is so much wrong in this whole affair. that's the problem.

car bombs, homicide bombers and armed attacks under bush were dealt with.
none of them lasted as long either.

want to throw in these attacks under clinton?
en.wikipedia.org...

the warning signs were very clear for months. the uk ambassador had an attempt on his life and they pulled out.
the red cross pulled out also.

gross negligence and incompetence on obama and hillary and then lie about why.

a reply to: GNOarmy

I am not sure how to break it to you, but for ten thousand years, the so called leaders have laid down on fluffy pillows while regular folk fight and die over pretty much nothing.

Worse -- 288 Marines were killed in Beirut in 1983 by the Islamic Jihad, and our government, led by then Commander in Chief Ronald Reagan did nothing while the French retaliated. Thanks, Casper Weinberger!

TLDR: People die every day. Most for fairly stupid reasons. Most of the time, nobody cares; it's just the cost of doing the kind of business we (as a people) do.

The American people are distracted by Benghazi. What the American people need is a few more episodes of The Voice or Shark Tank. No, scratch that. We don't need any of this. We need real jobs, and a solution to our addiction to fossil fuels and mindless consumerism.

I'm pretty sure both parties have an interest in making sure THAT never happens.

a reply to: tsingtao
Thank you. If I were American and only recently appalled and enraged by this incident, I would be disgusted with myself for not being thus while the rest of the world was - as I keep saying - two and a half years ago.

Being stupid, uneducated, ill-informed is no longer an excuse.

a reply to: BobAthome

really?

Someone dying is a tragedy, don't get me wrong. But lets be honest there are so many other incidents that have happened before and after ''Benghazi'' that the public & the world need answers too.

Benghazi is just a talking point for the elections coming up. It will be drummed home by the Republicans as if they were criticizing people speaking out about the Iraqi war.

C'mon, An American official died in a war zone. He was probably committing covert ops. Why do people insists on focusing on this non-event when there are so many other important events needing answers?

The American public don't give to cr@ps about Benghazi, they are more concerned with keeping their guns. they are more concerned with making sure them evil terrorists are bombed, continuously. They're more concerned about next seasons American Idol being better or about Mcdonalds latest chocolate treat.

Your right wing squawk box hosts like Fox News own Bill O(shutthefup) Reilly will badger and bully you until you scream ''Benghazi'' in your sleep.

What a waste of time, focus on a real issue.