Obama: US military ‘significantly superior’ to Russia’s

a reply to: JohnnySasaki

The Iraq war was over in a few days because it was a conventional type of war in the beginning, the problem was when we started patrolling and setting up permanent camps.

You can control a military but you can't control a population. The best way to defeat our military is to make it unprofitable.

a reply to: Vovin

The hubris is deafening. How pathetic that the leader of the failing global empire is claiming that his country's military strength is so infallible, thus rival superpowers are too scared to challenge it.

Yup.

That and the fact that even if it were actually true, which i doubt, but even if it were...where's the victory in completely destroying the Russians if the Russians managed to destroy 75% of you?

The answer is, there is no victory. With those kinds of losses, the US would be just as dead as the Russians, probably along with the rest of us too...right back to MAD.

That Obama fella really is a bit of an idiot..for listening to his numpty advisors if nothing else.

a reply to: Skorpy

i like your way of thinking.

originally posted by: JohnnySasaki
a reply to: JDmOKI

Exactly, I mean we've got stealth aircraft:

F-35 and F-22 shown

We've got stealth helicopters:

We've even got stealth boats:

We've got the biggest Airforce, the biggest Navy, the biggest Army and Marines. We've got a whole host of SOF, including 1st SFOD-D (Delta Force), DEVGRU (SEAL Team 6), ISA (The Activity), SAD (CIA Special Activities Division), SOG (CIA Special Operations Group), and those are just the Tier 1 units we have.

All that, plus this:

I mean, how in the hell do you expect to beat us in a conventional war? They even have the new Gerald Ford class carriers coming out now (of which we will have 11 of, and are friggin' huge).

BTW, all that stuff I just mentioned, is just all the stuff they let you know about. With a budget that big, we gotta have some other way cool stuff.

Do you recall the tale of The Tortoise & The Hare?

2nd

a reply to: alldaylong

I do but we are debating something that hopefully doesn't ever happen. While I don't deem it impossible for another nation to destroy our military, I do find it unlikely. The Russians are very good at wars of attrition but this isn't WW2 or the Napoleonic era any longer.

and I was stating a conventional type or war

Honestly I wont keep it going, but I find it amusing that political correctness is used to simply avoid the topic of exactly where the back bone of London is. The preface of the real issues ignored and the initial volley of sentiment which long before I said anything mean was the term "Murican" then followed by references to both Jewish People and Saudis as "back stabbers" and even in the final round here when mentioned I am Scottish and Irish by birth the response is basically "oh that ha ha... I see why" followed by a call for a temp ban...

Frankly veiled words are more foul than directly used ones, it shows a lack of character and it's a passive aggressive trait and it saddens me that people allow them selves to be pushed into these sorts of games, I would love to see the individual in question go into a Black neighborhood make use of the N word to describe African Americans and then justify it by saying "I was referring to some of you, those of you who conduct yourself in a way that is to my liking and agree with me are okay" The reality is you'd leave in an ambulance because typically African Americans would cut right to the chase and not tolerate that kind of word mincing, likewise, If I were a Native American and someone had offered a statement of "oh that's the reason your unhappy with the US govt" the actual sentiment would be seen through in a heart beat...

From London has always come a great use of the language to dupe people, capture them in legal terminology and YES that even applies to the state of affairs in America to this day as 20 million in jail over the last 20 years, a police state, a nation where speaking your ind when you are supposed to have freedom of speech is the norm.

Do I need to clarify that I do not hate all British people to attack a system and those who uphold it? An influence that has been a corrupting factor an influence that we have fought and bleed as a nation to try and be rid of repeatedly yet somehow keeps entering our lives via banking, economics, war politics and manipulation because we have been duped into the devolution of intellect by a certain group of individuals who see tricking us into word games as a method of avoiding confronting the truth of their domination?

Does anyone know what the very first protected hate term in this country was?

You might Guess it has to do with Jews or African Americans, but no... the first "protected term" was "WASP" and that is how 7.5% of the American population manages to hang onto power structure controlling 310 Million people tightly bound in the end to the Royal bloodline and Bankers over in London.

Of course I don't hate poor Mrs pee-body baking her pies in the British country side lol, So let me be "politically correct" and make my statement clearly and in proper ATS fashion...

America is not the location where a revolution is needed, it is needed in London, we do not need to spill our blood to handle Russia ever, the truth is these days the real money to made is in Asia, China, Russia and India are worth more. I have no hatred of your typical person living in the 22nd largest by population nation in the world that somehow manages to have itself placed in the top five in a world where we supposedly strive for Democracy, I would simply say there is a very high percentage of "sheeple" and that doesn't make them bad people, just a bit blind. Claims that the monarchy is powerless are amusing to me, while India (The largest Democracy on Earth, a place that it took Ghandi to actually get the British to leave, a Nation with more Universities than the next 3 combined nations, a population of over 1 Billion) India doesn't make it to the UN security council... Great Britain does and even in a conspiracy forum we can't address how that can possibly be the case unless London is so corrupt it has a strangle hold over America.

And again let me be clear, because in case someone is daft, by British I mean a select group of individuals via London that actually control all the money in the west, have strangle hold on American politics, keep vast uncountable amounts of money to themselves while denying they hold any real power, operate in regards to "bloodlines" while keeping anyone of the "wrong breeding" out and continually push off what they are actually doing as a "Jewish conspiracy" Those British...

Other Allies?

Yeah, how about the only other Nation that actually managed to push the British off their soil and did it peaceful... India, the largest Democracy in the world, by numbers those guys pushing out the most PHDs these days.

And again, derogatory statements?

Let's be bold faced here... Race is the card used to control a prison always, there is not one Prison in the USA you would go into where from within and via intention the races aren't kept separate via social manipulation, the same is done within the USA and on a global scale, If America truly had it's priorities straight as the nation we were founded to be when we "thought" we were free of British rule our Natural best friend would be India followed by China but yet despite a consumer base of 2.5 Billion people vs under 900 Million Europeans we have our alliances set to the protection of Europe?

I would maintain this is purely race baiting of (again have to be Pc, okay) a handful of Londoners who use "race" and baiting on "all our commonalities" to keep us protecting them from their crimes against humanity, even above people say "we have so much in common" I BEG TO DIFFER, the men who wrote your constitution would gravely disagree with that sentiment, the settlers who were chased here by the throne would gravely disagree with that sentiment as well. The people that died to escape them on boats so their children could run from what lies in the heart of London would all disagree that we have any commonality at all, the 100 million Americans of Irish descent who watched JFK get shot should not be saying "we have more in common with them than we have differences" It was a sad misfortune of the Kennedy's that were not of "The bloodline"

So I end this here, I say to hell with the pc dribble that allows no one to answer the direct question.

WHY SHOULD WE DEFEND EUROPE FROM RUSSIA ON OUR DIME AND OUR BOYS BLOOD?

It's not the Russians who have Nazis running among them it's the Ukrainians, the question here isn't CAN we beat Russia, the real question is why would we? India is the largest democracy in the world India was a colony just like we were, the base of consumerism is shifting east, the money to made for our nation is across the pacific not the Atlantic anymore, why are we actually concerned with European interests, NATO doesn't have much teeth, Nato essentially as an alliance is useless to America... In the gulf war England was NUMBER 3, behind Saudi Arabia in the number of troops they sent, In fact the Saudis sent more men... than all the rest of Nato combined while My British friend here claims they are back stabbers but by Commitment they out numbered the British 2-1

So here is the question, why would we support Ukranian NAZIS over Russians with a lot of energy for sale?

a reply to: criticalhit

I had a quick read through your latest ramblings ( God knows why)

1) There are not 100 million Irish Americans

en.wikipedia.org...

2) Why do you think Saudi Arabia supplied more troops than Britain in The War On Iraq?
Saudi Arabia & Iraq share a common border. That may give you a clue.

The rest of you post made as much sense as the film "Braveheart" In short , it was complete bollocks.

a reply to: criticalhit

Correction I did not refer to the Jewish people as back stabbers I refered to the Isearali goverment.

Big diffrence and a true one.

IE USS liberty


Sorry to the OP for going off topic but I wont have defamation.

PS

You cry foul at the British constitutional monarchy and moan about british values being polar to US values

Yet you hold up Saudi Arabia absolute monarchy as a better Ally, the place that stones women to death and has a civil rights abuse list as big as the US defence budget.......

Erm I have difficulty seeing your logic here old boy.

originally posted by: alldaylong


Do you recall the tale of The Tortoise & The Hare?

2nd

Yeah, it's a children's story. This is real life. Time to put on the big boy pants.

Remember the Gulf War?

a reply to: alldaylong

ummm u forgot one,,,


"he Canadian military has been secretly test-driving a $620,000 stealth snowmobile in its quest to quietly whisk troops on clandestine operations in the Arctic."

stealth snowmobile

www.cbc.ca...







sorry it says there are 4 Canadian stealth snowmobiles in this picture.
keep looking,,,

Canadian gotta luv it eh hozer.

originally posted by: JohnnySasaki

originally posted by: alldaylong


Do you recall the tale of The Tortoise & The Hare?

2nd

Yeah, it's a children's story. This is real life. Time to put on the big boy pants.

Well as it's a story for children, maybe you should read it.
You may learn something.

originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: alldaylong

ummm u forgot one,,,


"he Canadian military has been secretly test-driving a $620,000 stealth snowmobile in its quest to quietly whisk troops on clandestine operations in the Arctic."

stealth snowmobile

www.cbc.ca...

keep looking,,,

Canadian gotta luv it

eh hozer.

I wouldn't call leaving tracks in the snow as being " Stealth"

a reply to: alldaylong

1) There are not 100 million Irish Americans

That may depend on if it is St Paddy's Day.

originally posted by: JohnnySasaki
a reply to: JDmOKI

Exactly, I mean we've got stealth aircraft:

F-35 and F-22 shown

We've got stealth helicopters:

We've even got stealth boats:

We've got the biggest Airforce, the biggest Navy, the biggest Army and Marines. We've got a whole host of SOF, including 1st SFOD-D (Delta Force), DEVGRU (SEAL Team 6), ISA (The Activity), SAD (CIA Special Activities Division), SOG (CIA Special Operations Group), and those are just the Tier 1 units we have.

All that, plus this:

I mean, how in the hell do you expect to beat us in a conventional war? They even have the new Gerald Ford class carriers coming out now (of which we will have 11 of, and are friggin' huge).

BTW, all that stuff I just mentioned, is just all the stuff they let you know about. With a budget that big, we gotta have some other way cool stuff.

Plus, influence and allies. They have numerous training sessions every year with OTHER countries who are the very next bracket that have high tech focus on advanced weaponry, who are also stacked in actual experience in military engagement - and who just so happens to be their allies.

And, i would dare say... a CIA who can are capable and does more than we are told about (who are also sporting advanced technologies that dwarf any other secret services).

a reply to: ammocase

"who are also sporting advanced technologies that dwarf any other secret services)"

ya just ask the Pentagon.

a reply to: ammocase

Those advanced CIA technologies that you talk about must be bloody brilliant.

www.independent.co.uk...

abcnews.go.com...

It's a pity this advanced technology can't make them invisible

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: criticalhit

I had a quick read through your latest ramblings ( God knows why)

1) There are not 100 million Irish Americans

en.wikipedia.org...

2) Why do you think Saudi Arabia supplied more troops than Britain in The War On Iraq?
Saudi Arabia & Iraq share a common border. That may give you a clue.

The rest of you post made as much sense as the film "Braveheart" In short , it was complete bollocks.

Okay... let's play exacts

en.wikipedia.org...

Those of British decent make up 9% of Caucasians who number 196,000,000 Million (non hispanic)

Sorry for the Irih lean, germans are actually no1

9% of 196,000,000 the other 120 Million or so aren't even white, our tie to Britain when every president practically is from that group comes from what basis?

And Braveheart should be watched by every American child.

originally posted by: rock427

originally posted by: Vovin
a reply to: rock427

You lost me when you started to claim that the USA is superior because it throws more money at R&D, as if capitalism itself does not dictate that the higher the demand (money thrown at contractors), the higher the price of the commodity will be. Keep spending those taxes and maybe those $2000 lug nuts will beat those pesky terrorists some day.

This post is about what I expected from you. And you claimed that Russia/Soviets and the Americans "rivaled" one another in terms of Research and development...clearly not the case when the US spends significantly more in that category than the Russians. The US uses R&D money to fund lasers, Rail-guns, hypersonic missile projects, "secret" space planes, UCAV's, Robotics, Missile defense, and so much more (just check out the "star wars" type sh*t DARPA is working on).

How much will the flyaway costs of the f-35 be again?

And where's those hundreds of billions/trillions that just magically disappear every year from the Pentagon? Hint: they don't go into black projects, they go into private accounts.

Your problem is you look at things with a very narrow perspective. As if corruption is only to be found in the US...meanwhile the oligarchs with their mafiaso mentality are perfect saints in third world Russia... LOL

Me and you are probably on the same side on a lot of issues. I just choose not to pull the wool over my eyes when it comes to this type of argument. China (which has a much more capable military IMO than the Russians) has said that they do not have a force capable of countering Americas (a PLA General said this on his trip to several American military facilities in the US).

As for the black budget, it does exist, and it is estimated to be between $50-$100 billion annually. The F117, B2, etc are all black budget relics.

LOL I have a narrow perspective? I also have a formal education on the subject... But I try not to brag about it.

I mean, you can claim that money means everything, but it shows that you have an extremely shallow view of what capitalism really is. If you did, you'd realize that money means nothing. It's all about production. Russia and the US have different ways of producing things.

The greatest flaw with the USA military is that it exclusively relies on elite private corporations to produce its weapons. These projects are always started after the government signs a multi-billion dollar contract, and huge cost overruns and excessive development time are now normal because these corporations know they can get away with it. And after watching Haliburton lead the invasion of Iraq, it's quite clear that these corporations are calling most of the shots in the USA's deepstate government.

And the worst part is that these flashy and expensive projects are the official face of the US military. So the US government is forced into funding the upkeep of the military's vanity and forced to test the weapons out in real conditions so the private industry can sell off these toys to other countries.

Really think about it. Where does the government get the money to fund these projects? The "money" is credit in a bank, where the corporations store their money. It's not about money, it's about the process, and the perpetuation of the process. In the end, the corporations make the new weapons that the government uses, while the banks profit from "holding" and transferring the "money", while the American people suffer from paying higher taxes.

So please, go on with your claims that spending more money equates to superiority, as if money itself means anything.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: criticalhit

Correction I did not refer to the Jewish people as back stabbers I refered to the Isearali goverment.

Big diffrence and a true one.

IE USS liberty


Sorry to the OP for going off topic but I wont have defamation.

PS

You cry foul at the British constitutional monarchy and moan about british values being polar to US values

Yet you hold up Saudi Arabia absolute monarchy as a better Ally, the place that stones women to death and has a civil rights abuse list as big as the US defence budget.......

Erm I have difficulty seeing your logic here old boy.

Let me apologize for getting uppity and re-quote this from the initial point.

"Jonathan Williams recorded in his book, Legions of Satan, 1781, that Cornwallis revealed to Washington during his surrender that "a holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown."...."in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire."

The behavior of another distinct culture is none of our business, do they honor their commitments to us or not is the only question we have the right to ask. The spread and superiority of "western culture" across the globe is an idea that comes from London and the corridors of power within and is in evidence by behavior for Millennium, the right to practice a culture no matter how alien or wrong it seems to your own is actually the true meaning of diversity.

And not to get on some high horse... I again ask, how is it in American interests to be looking to conduct our affairs, our economy and even the battles we fight from a Euro centrist model as Asia rises, prior to entering the world wars particularly WW2 America was not involved in these affairs, we were not ruled by some corporate military nightmare structure run amok, our involvement with the affairs of Europe has led to nothing but trouble for us on every level.

I'll again bring up India a member of Bric yet... a Democracy, and landlocked with both China and Russia which in theory if they were actually aggressor nations or not tolerant of different systems of commerce and govt should be impossible... yet we remain at odds with Islam, China and Russia, from being Euro-centric largely at least...

Again the point arises, what is in it for the USA as protectorate of Europe? Realistically this silly show down of the imagination we always talk about either USA vs Russia or USA vs China has no need to ever happen, a cross ocean war and supply lines are impossible, this is Russias zone, not ours. Our involvement is akin to I dunno... Pakistan butting it's nose in, in regards to Canadian USA water disputes...

So far in the last 4 years, we have aided the Taliban, now we support Nazis? At whose behest do we really get involved in these affairs? Follow the money, Britain has been involved with Ukraine for a long time, Ukraine issues revolve around wanting to be part of the EU, that's not our concern. Why do we pay for the defense of Europe? Europe with nice socialized medicine, 4 week vacations and all the rest? I need a Trillion dollar defense budget because Europeans want luxuries I don't actually get when Europeans are the ones next door to a problem not me?

America... has no natural enemies, we are constantly creating them on the behalf of Europe, we'd honestly be 5x better off as a member of Bric economically, at least the Russians Chinese and Indians can defend themselves.

Again, can the USA defeat Russia... Yes, real question. Why? The behest of European bankers who have funded both sides of every war in modern History? Because your white lol? So are the Russians, so what, we share a romance language? If Europe actually invested in their own defense to the degree they should, well, Russia wouldn't be an issue would they? In the meantime Europeans kind of talk about Americans like we are garbage most often, make fun of us, spend 4 week vacations in the Riviera while 20-30 million of us work in places where they still need food stamps to exist and get no vacation with pay, so I suppose there is GOOD reason to call us stupid, we are stupid for putting up with it. Britain wouldn't even back us on Syria but when it's in Britain's Interest suddenly there are articles every day about "Britain repairing ties" with the USA... I see how it is lol. The rest of us should too.

Here's a debate, could Russia and the USA beat Europe in a war?

a reply to: criticalhit

nice speech