Obama: US military ‘significantly superior’ to Russia’s

a reply to: Vovin
The Russians have a habit of beating "significantly superior" armies on their own soil. Please, Obama, no saber rattling, we need quiet diplomacy.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: criticalhit

And for the record old boy, only insecure foolish people hold on to past grievances committed hundreds of years ago and use them against present day people who guilty ancestors are long dead.

If we all had that attitude we should all hate everyone!

it's all double talk, harping on minutia, vague pc commentaries and attempts to defame personal character.

You will never, ever have a real response as to WHY America should bleed for Europe again and not begin to shift our priorities East. There is no economic sanity for preference when there are 2 growing superpowers that over the course of time will have consumer populations 2.5x the whole of Europe (India and China). Interfering with Russia can only damage those relationships. The reality of trade right at this moment might not reflect it 100% but it certainly never will if we keep practice with a political model that is NOT in Americas long term interests.

Taking a point of a singular reference and harping on it to deny the actual premise of a debate doesn't win a debate, it's simply yelling nyany nyany neener like a school boy.

My point is clear and it is reality. America shouldn't go broke, shouldn't spill it's sons and daughters blood, definitely shouldn't risk it's future or existence over a Eurocentric policy that's not reflective by priority to the modern world.

All insults aside, Britain is a very small part of the world these days, forgetting all conspiracy theories, any personal thoughts, emotion. From a purely Economic and Protectionist POV of OUR nation, England Individually should not weigh very heavy in our politics or economic decisions. Further... The entirety of the EU wanes by comparison, to EITHER China or India's economic potential as favored nations... let alone both, plus Indonesia with 300 Million strong and Russia who is now the worlds leading Energy supplier.

You ignore entirely the demographics of our nation too, what was it 9% of Americans are of British decent these days? Guess what? Asians are at 6% and the most numerous immigrant group arriving far outpacing our last wave which was hispanic, ditto for Canada where the Asian population is 15%. Let's address OUR priorities shall we? 17% Hispanic, that's Our nation... One would Think, if Western Europe didn't have a strangle hold on American politics that Latin America would have just as much Trade potential, is certainly being located in our Hemisphere a more important arena for military concerns and with a rapidly growing population of 603 Million people vs a Declining population in Europe of 711 is FAR more important to US interests than the armpit of Europe is...

When you break it down, Bric should be much more important to the USA than the concerns of ... well in the end two tiny interfering nations on the world stage, namely France and England, in truth again by demographic as we saw earlier, even our Caucasian population is largely German and Irish, Which is an interesting contrast is it not? Our Caucasian populace is actually largely derived from Two nations England and France have continual been at war with, yet somehow our Two biggest "allies" despite dismal population representation and shanty economic relevance dominate our foreign policy and war making decisions?

I'm sorry but this actually wont go on much longer, the rift is already there... I don't blame Obama for not being so fast to jump into a fight with Russia over Europe, the guy sort of is the face of the new America and well... it's just not Eurocentric anymore.

If Mexicans largely over 20 years became 17% of Americans and Asians are now arriving in LARGER numbers, the future just doesn't look so bright for maintaining our priorities around Europe. Our schools have been adding Japanese, Chinese to our language programs left and right where French was once a staple we all kind of realize learning french as a second language is economic suicide in global economics...

By the time I hit a retirement home Caucasians in general wont make up half the population, as for British decent? Somewhere around 2% The number of Indians and East Asians? roughly 25% Which is double the population of African Americans that currently managed to land a presidency

But now... lets forget race/nationality even though realistically business tends to follow family ties...

Britain represents .76% of the global population

You represent .76% lol of the consumer base of the world... where is your relevance? where particularly is your Economic relevance to an American population that wishes to sell goods and make money? Why should we... piss off, severely piss off AGAIN... the worlds leading supplier of energy, 2 Nations that represent 1/3 of the global consumer base and the largest Latin American nation that happens to be South of OUR border and risk a Thermo Nuclear War, at the very least if this went down loose Millions of men, maybe take hits on out soil, maybe end global freaking civilization for the Interests of England who... aside from poland seem to be the only ones who really give a good god damn what happens to the Ukraine?

All that and realistically, England represents NOTHING, absolutely Nothing for the future of America, Zero influx of new citizens, an economy and populous that dwindles compared to the rest of the globe is a fraction of a percent, where China and India have cultures and an intact base population... no one knows what the hell could go on in Europe... will there be an EU i dunno, you guys haven't been able to get along collectively EVER for any length of time, while the fellows over in Asia... each of them individually dwarfs the whole of Europe by 500 million consumers each and they ARE united as cultures and always have been...

YET here we are, from start of Millennium until now, still constant War in Europe... now we are being invited to WW3 by you guys... Eastern Europe, Bosnia late 90's, now Ukraine...

LOL why the hell should we revolve our economy around a place that started 2 world wars already? Now is looking for a 3rd? protecting it already almost got us there during the cold war....

I want my son to grow up and sell Cars to someone or cell phones or computers and live a good life and be rich... Not die in the freaking ice cold crappy Ukraine... and frankly, the Hindus are easy to do business with so are the Chinese and they can buy roughly 2.6 BILLION more cell phones than you can... why the hell should America piss these guys off for Europe's wars? Europe's god damned never ending wars?

What do we even get from Europe? that isn't a favor for trade balance reasons? Food? we don't need food from there, Raw materials... nope you used yours up the goods are all in the untapped developing world... immigrants to fuel our worker base? Nope... not any more.. we get...freaking involved in moronic wars that's all we get, we get involved in insane arms races that can destroy the world so you don't have to protect yourselves while our tax dollars go to "force projection" and "missile defense" against people... we have no reason to fight!!!

Give it a rest, the truth is your irrelevant beyond a prior date in time and history to our nations needs...

a reply to: criticalhit

because of a Covenant,
,"Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself."

Thats why.

a reply to: criticalhit

Translation:

Blah blah blah im hate filled and hate Europeans blah blah

We get it.

Back on topic,

Another thing about the Russian forces that doesn't get publicized a lot in the west is their drone program. Much like how the USA has a diverse and deadly aerial drone program, Russia has a significant drone ground vehicle arsenal. Here's a new news report on a large scale upgrade to retro-fitted APCs that are already automated to perform base defence.

Back in WWII, the USA was developing remote-controlled TV-guided cruise missiles. Russia also had advanced projects. They had T-34s retrofitted with wireless TV guidance systems. They were primarily fitted with flamethrowers and used for sapping German bunkers. That's a drone program going back over 70 years.

a reply to: criticalhit

Without ANY respect, you must be a complete [BLEEP]TARD to consider INNOCENT men, women and children as "ENEMIES".
Sure, if that's your definition of "winning" then yeah, by causing the death of hundreds of thousands and MILLIONS of innocent men, women and children who were perfectly fine BEFORE you A-holes decided to invade, you ACTUALLY WON.

To any CIVILIZED human being, toppling governments, invading countries and destabilizing entire regions and thus indirectly AND directly causing the suffering and death of MILLIONS of INNOCENT people is not "WINNING' .AT.ALL.

You know, to us, the rest of the world (INCLUDING US citizens), causing the suffering and death of so many people IS considered LOSING because we actually do give a flying F about what you call "Collateral damage". Just wait until its your house, your town, your state, your family, your children and your grandchildren that get labeled as "collateral damage" and then some A-hole says that's "WINNING'.

People like you enrage me to the extremes of what I deem to be possible.

If you feel offended you are welcome to address your bullsht to the closest brick wall. With your face preferably.

Implying implications? DEFINITELY.

/RAGE

Edit: i challenge anyone and everyone to read the following page/list in its entirety.
academic.evergreen.edu...



IT--

originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: criticalhit

because of a Covenant,
,"Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself."

Thats why.

Okay reason no 1 to yet again engage in war in a place across an ocean for people who have dragged us into innumerable wars...

The Bible...

lol, i'll let that stand for itself because it's the only thing that has caused more bloodshed than the inability of Europe to exist in peace, thank you.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: criticalhit

Translation:

Blah blah blah im hate filled and hate Europeans blah blah

We get it.

Still no actual response as to why America should remain aligned with a waning power.

You see the thing you just don't get in Europe and many Americans in fact haven't realized is while we suffer economically due to "The decline of the West" we aren't actually "Western" you are... Europe is "The West" Asia is "The East" WE happen to be located in the middle. We have a choice, we CAN make better friends in "The East" rather than sink with the low birth rate, low number of workers and slowly eroding Western Nations who never seem to stop fighting among themselves OR The sane Easterners of 2.5 Billion consumers and well... Neither India or China has ever started a war have they?

And I don't "Hate anyone" Ewok

I'm just good at knowing a loosing horse in a race...

Low birthrate, sense of entitlement, highly individualized nature... not going to cut it against Asia

We have choices is all

originally posted by: edog11
a reply to: criticalhit

Without ANY respect, you must be a complete [BLEEP]TARD to consider INNOCENT men, women and children as "ENEMIES".
Sure, if that's your definition of "winning" then yeah, by causing the death of hundreds of thousands and MILLIONS of innocent men, women and children who were perfectly fine BEFORE you A-holes decided to invade, you ACTUALLY WON.

To any CIVILIZED human being, toppling governments, invading countries and destabilizing entire regions and thus indirectly AND directly causing the suffering and death of MILLIONS of INNOCENT people is not "WINNING' .AT.ALL.

You know, to us, the rest of the world (INCLUDING US citizens), causing the suffering and death of so many people IS considered LOSING because we actually do give a flying F about what you call "Collateral damage". Just wait until its your house, your town, your state, your family, your children and your grandchildren that get labeled as "collateral damage" and then some A-hole says that's "WINNING'.

People like you enrage me to the extremes of what I deem to be possible.

If you feel offended you are welcome to address your bullsht to the closest brick wall. With your face preferably.

Implying implications? DEFINITELY.

/RAGE

Edit: i challenge anyone and everyone to read the following page/list in its entirety.
academic.evergreen.edu...



IT--

You have to be kidding me.

1: unless we antagonize on behalf of those pulling our strings no one is making the expenditure to "invade" the USA

2: It's Russia backyard not ours

3: The innocents your talking abut in this case have a thriving Nazi population

4: when you say invade do you mean like we have been doing for the last 13 years, Afghanistan, Lybia, Iraq, fostered revolutions in places like Egypt, attempting to overthrow syria.... Those kinds of innocents? While one could actually debate the Ukraine in the manner one would debate Texas becoming an independent State and then the US trying to reassert itself, meanwhile our actions are in foreign lands 11,000 miles from home....

originally posted by: criticalhit

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: criticalhit

Translation:

Blah blah blah im hate filled and hate Europeans blah blah

We get it.

Still no actual response as to why America should remain aligned with a waning power.

You see the thing you just don't get in Europe and many Americans in fact haven't realized is while we suffer economically due to "The decline of the West" we aren't actually "Western" you are... Europe is "The West" Asia is "The East" WE happen to be located in the middle. We have a choice, we CAN make better friends in "The East" rather than sink with the low birth rate, low number of workers and slowly eroding Western Nations who never seem to stop fighting among themselves OR The sane Easterners of 2.5 Billion consumers and well... Neither India or China has ever started a war have they?

Didnt even read your coment.

Why respond?

Why bother reading?

You think braveheart should be taught in school! How can I take anything you say with any amount of seriousness?
The most historical inaccurate film made by the king of histrical inaccuracy!

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: criticalhit

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: criticalhit

Translation:

Blah blah blah im hate filled and hate Europeans blah blah

We get it.

Still no actual response as to why America should remain aligned with a waning power.

You see the thing you just don't get in Europe and many Americans in fact haven't realized is while we suffer economically due to "The decline of the West" we aren't actually "Western" you are... Europe is "The West" Asia is "The East" WE happen to be located in the middle. We have a choice, we CAN make better friends in "The East" rather than sink with the low birth rate, low number of workers and slowly eroding Western Nations who never seem to stop fighting among themselves OR The sane Easterners of 2.5 Billion consumers and well... Neither India or China has ever started a war have they?

Didnt even read your coment.

Why respond?

Why bother reading?

You think braveheart should be taught in school! How can I take anything you say with any amount of seriousness?
The most historical inaccurate film made by the king of histrical inaccuracy!

Yup... still got nothing in regards to WHY the USA should fight in Europe yet again.

Going on about a snide comment about Braveheart lol 2 pages later.

Europe population and manpower 711 Million vs 127 Million, can field an army over 5x the size of Russia, 500 Nukes or more between France and England a Gdp US$16.5 Trillion vs Russia 2.14 USD Trillion... But heck, 16 Trillion (8x) the weapon building capacity of Russia)

but hey.... the Yanks will do anything for a buck right? You completely have the capacity to dwarf Russia, but those idiots over in the colonies will die for us for trinkets while their kids pay for health care hahahahha

Yah... I thought so

a reply to: JohnnySasaki

Sorry dude but its obvious you have no point. And oh I listen, more so then you, in fact between the two of us you would be classified as dumb deaf and retarded. So once again...I ask...What is your point, and what is the point of any of this? If you can not answer then that is not only understandable, but predictably obvious. Because there would be as much point to which corner of which block has the fastest internet, just as much as who's country has the biggest conventional army. In an unconventional world were its likely that unconventional warfare is going on, that fact is almost a mute point to a slide of hand. Like I said before the US military warmachine just like the Russian warmachine is more so a tool for the affluent elite then for you, the people, or anybody else, merely errand boys when some corporation or some group needs some precious metal or gas in some country far away.

And yes you can compare Hong Kong which is a city. After all, and lets see here, you yourself are comparing your little suburb, not even that, your corner of space in that suburb, which would be what 1% of the total fraction of your town not to mention city or country in the mix and saying its the norm, and yes that list they had in my link is much more accurate on things then your opinion even on such a non-subject as that. Now, it seems your a bit on the slow side, maybe I should ask twice...What is the point, and what is the point of it all? Or maybe you just fancy yourself as a bit above average intellect when it comes into such matters. Which is cool and all, but I dont care, if you think I do that is your misunderstanding, because in general confidence is that thing that you get before you fully grasp and understand the situation, and your obviously very confident in something, what that something is? Is nothing but hot air. Maybe I should ask a third time, they say the third time is the charm...Here it goes---->What is the point and what is the point of any of it?

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: JohnnySasaki

Sorry dude but its obvious you have no point.

Lol, wow.

And oh I listen, more so then you, in fact between the two of us you would be classified as dumb deaf and retarded.

My IQ is in the range of 145-165 depending on when you test me. And yes, those are official tests. The 145 one was when I was in 1st grade if I recall.

Or maybe you just fancy yourself as a bit above average intellect

Ding ding ding.

Which is cool and all, but I dont care,

Good for you. Take a number.

Here it goes---->What is the point and what is the point of any of it?

Fun and games. Apparently you didn't read my last post, as I assumed, because if you had, you would have seen that I had already answered your question. The answer was: There is none. Not just to my post, your question was specific to "any of it". As I don't believe in free will, nor do I believe in a god (at least in the way most people think of god), I can therefor see no point to humanity, or even the entire universe for that matter. You can talk about the Heisenberg uncertainty principle until you're blue in the face, but our scientists ineptitude/incompetence at locating an electron means nothing when it comes to the subject of free will. If there's no free will, then there's no point.

Einstein once said that god doesn't play dice. Meaning, he didn't believe in free will either. I tend to agree with him, with exception to the god part, in a sense, but I explained that earlier.

a reply to: JohnnySasaki

Dude if your IQ was over 9000 I would not care, why are you telling me this #? Am I supposed to care or be impressed?

And yes there is no point to it. And yet, here you are arguing on the point, that there is no point to it, with me. So obviously what we have here is one them what chu ma call its, one of them conundrums.

And "free will" while it sounds nice, however it's just another one of those pretty theory's that people have and have had, another one of those theories that they would not want to test or poke at to much least it fall to pieces. But dont they all eventually?

He's right, Russia lacks the infrastructure and technology to support a military that can match the United States'.

a reply to: rock427

Ahaha, yeah, blame it on the weather. There is a Russian saying "testicles shackle the bad dancer", meaning there is no excuse for failure. The Brest fortress with only a 3 500 garrison, held off the German troops for a whole month. Held off an army. Hitler was infuriated. Oh, and most of the garrison was wiped out in the first hours. 1 month. There is a writing on the wall "I am dying, but I am not surrendering. Goodbye, homeland." Then there's Stalingrad, Leningrad (St. Petersburg), Sevastopol. Read what the Germans said about how the Russians fought, history boy. You would be surprised. Fighting Arabs is like beating kids, in comparison. I urge you to learn your history before posting. Good stuff. But few read it. 95% think they are too damn smart for it.
Iraq had redundant military forces and weak AA. Air superiority is what ensured USA's victory in Iraq. Hell, if the Israelis could easily fly in Iraqi air and bomb them back in the 80s, that speaks a lot of their AA. Arabs. I'm well acquainted with the histoy of islamic countries. That's how they fought throughout history. Pretty much like the Georgians. You saw what happened. They ran and left their weapons and vehicles. What a disgrace. Nobody in Russia is shouting about victory over the Georgean forces. What would it sound like? "Hey, look how I beat up that kid. I'm cool." Why does America do so with Iraq? "Yeah. Hoorah. 'Merica! We got them." Lol what? 8-) Take pride in your WW2 and Vietnam veterans. They are the only guys that *fought*. The rest just played cowboys. Pew pew. Iraq syndrome is a joke. WW2 veterans got over it. Modern soldiers get Gulf and Iraqi "syndrome". Oooooh...let me calm you down. Come here, give me a hug. Poor boy.
Modern soldiers getting softer, don't you think?
And hey, go find Iraq on the map. Now Iraq is a little bit bigger than the Moscow region. Are you comparing now? I hope you are not.
War between the US and Russia will be the last war. Smart people said it. Not me. Would be a shame to put this notion to the test, because...well, we might not live to find out that they were right.
Read. Read a lot. Have no illusions.

a reply to: JohnnySasaki

Measuring your penises? Hey, mind if I hop in? I brought a tapeline. IQ? Ahahaha....guys, 'cmon, what are you, teenagers? Stop it, please. It's embarassing.

a reply to: Snarl

Basalt RPG can punch trough an Abrams armor on first hit. What are you implying here?
Russia in not Iraq. It isn't armed with T-60s. Iraq is a joke.

a reply to: whywhynot

True. So did the English. So did Alexander the Great. But so did the US. Afganistan is historically a tough nut to crack. What goals has it a achieved? And where is Osama? You hand your trophy on the wall. You don't throw it overboard. So where is Osama now? I bet he's still alive. And the Taliban? It's still strong. Drug production has gone up tenfold. Hoorah 'Merica. Good job. We can go home now. "Our boys can go home." That's just so low...
Asses kicked? The pussy Gorbachev withdrew the military from Afganistan. The same Gaorbachev that dismantled *over 9000* nuclear missiles. Good chap, that Gorbachev. Liberal bastard. Like your Obama. A weak leader. Where's Teddy Rusewelt? Where's Kennedy?
Oh and Vietnam? Hey whynot, whynot talk about Vietnam? Let's dig deeper. Market Garden? Everyone has his downfalls.
Cmon, Russia was never good on the offence. That's what the Germans are good at. And the Americans are somewhere in the middle here. Too soft. But efficient enough. I'm most sure that Putin knows history and he's well aware that any offensive for will fail. Historically, Russia hardly ever attacked. It defended itself and it's allies. But when IT was attacked, well, we all know how it ended. I would like to think the same of America. Things would have been a lot easier.