Aliens made Pumapunku? (CampKill)

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

Let us not forget the hard fact that people were living in that area for 10,000+ years and left large amounts of archaeological evidence behind.These finds are found in and around the sites being discussed. There seems to be a tendency to try and isolate PP and other of the sites from these cultures that they are found in context. The various Puquina people who are still there today and their ancestors who lived there before them.

Signs of any one else being there? Not a thing.

originally posted by: Hanslune
a reply to: ZetaRediculian

Let us not forget the hard fact that people were living in that area for 10,000+ years and left large amounts of archaeological evidence behind.These finds are found in and around the sites being discussed. There seems to be a tendency to try and isolate PP and other of the sites from these cultures that they are found in context. The various Puquina people who are still there today and their ancestors who lived there before them.

Signs of any one else being there? Not a thing.

I read this on the Wiki site:

"The area within the kilometer separating the Pumapunku and Kalasasaya complexes has been surveyed using ground-penetrating radar, magnetometry, induced electrical conductivity, and magnetic susceptibility. The geophysical data collected from these surveys and excavations have revealed in the area between the Pumapunku and Kalasasaya complexes the presence of numerous man-made structures. These structures include the wall foundations of buildings and compounds, water conduits, pool-like features, revetments, terraces, residential compounds, and widespread gravel pavements all of which now lie buried and hidden beneath the modern ground’s surface."

Puma Punku is dated (arguably) to 550AD but a very intriguing discovery was that of a bowl bearing cuneiform writing said to be of Sumerian origin. (?) I have found no deciphering of this bowl.
The theories and arguments will continue regarding this site as it appears that it was abandoned before it was completed and some theorists believe that evidence suggests that it was destroyed by a huge explosion.(?)

I guess it will continue to languish in the "Too-Hard" Basket generating more and more theories as time goes by.

originally posted by: bottleslingguy
a reply to: ZetaRediculian

can you not think for yourself? make up your own mind? decide for yourself? So we just sweep the "impressive stone work" subject out the window? do you have any idea how many mistakes they would've made making ALL those angled cuts and corresponding angles unless they were technologically and mechanically sophisticated? The official story is ropes, logs and copper saws, I call it bamboo technology like they used on Gilligan's Island.

don't forget the coconut radios.

i guess these wall designs are relatively earthquake proof. how did they know and how long did it take them to figure it out?

lol!! maybe it was just an accident?

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: bottleslingguy
why isn't part of the evidence the probability that they exist and have had plenty of time to evolve, advance technologically and find a nice hospitable planet they could play with? I thought all that was definitely possible, so why do you say "zero evidence"?

Because probability is not evidence.

Besides, what is the probability that we would be visited, even if there were dozens of spacefaring aliens with hyperdrives, when you consider there are 300 Billion stars in this galaxy alone?

Harte

yeah, but you could be very wrong too.

really can't rule anything out, can you?

you think they are scientifically exploring?

like their version of NASA/star trek? or are they more like hans solo?

maybe a couple kids out for a joy ride in dads super duper bmw?

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: bottleslingguy

why isn't part of the evidence the probability that they exist and have had plenty of time to evolve

Because you can't determine probability of aliens here there or anywhere without evidence of aliens. Its possible, not probable. If you think its probable, show your work.

if it's possible, it's probable.

the works in stone are there.

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: bottleslingguy
a reply to: Mr Mask



it is so much more than two dishonest men.

You're right here.

It IS much more than just two dishonest men.

Nowadays, it's hundreds of dishonest men.

Harte

yeah, who's side are they on?

that's the question.

a reply to: tsingtao

if it's possible, it's probable.

not really. Things are only possible or not possible. probability is a mathematical concept that is based on known outcomes. Things can be possible without being probable. It is possible that humans evolve wings but its not probable.

the works in stone are there

humans are there also. Aliens are not known to exist. Life outside our planet has not been discovered yet. The probability that aliens built anything on earth is not computable.

think of a deck of cards. What is the probability of drawing an alien card when alien cards have never been drawn before? While possible, its not probable.

a reply to: Mr Mask

you can only process linear evidence and can't compute the non-linear type. I'm sorry you'll never get it, but you'll only be able to go so far with your kind of thinking.

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

it's just got to do with what kind of brain you guys have. some people will never be able to understand anything outside their 2d world

a reply to: OzTiger

Gobekli-Tepi was also buried, supposedly intentionally maybe this area was too?

a reply to: bottleslingguy

it's just got to do with what kind of brain you guys have. some people will never be able to understand anything outside their 2d world

No. It really has to do with separating reality from fantasy. Imagination and speculation are healthy but you just have to remember that is what that is. Because we don't know exactly how something was built, we are free to imagine a wide variety of fantastic things. There is nothing wrong with that. But in reality, we can only know things that have actually happened. In this case we have humans and stone work. Because we don't understand exactly how the stone work was done, you can imagine aliens. But what does alien stone work look like?

While you like to imagine aliens, I like to imagine very innovative humans doing things that by todays standards seem very difficult. While its an interesting thought, I don't know of any verified cases of human alien contact. Heck, we don't even know of any life outside our planet.

Thinking of ways humans innovatively assembled some stones takes a lot more "brain" than saying "aliens". saying "aliens with high tech" are responsible for things we don't understand is kind of a mindless assumption. Missing socks: alien. Light in sky: alien. Circle on ground: alien. Large blocks of stone: alien. Kind of boring really.

originally posted by: tsingtao

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: bottleslingguy

why isn't part of the evidence the probability that they exist and have had plenty of time to evolve, advance technologically and find a nice hospitable planet they could play with? I thought all that was definitely possible, so why do you say "zero evidence"?

Because probability is not evidence.



Besides, what is the probability that we would be visited, even if there were dozens of spacefaring aliens with hyperdrives, when you consider there are 300 Billion stars in this galaxy alone?



Harte

yeah, but you could be very wrong too.



really can't rule anything out, can you?



you think they are scientifically exploring?

My post was in response to your complaint that we don't consider probabilities to be evidence.

I stated probability is not evidence.

Whatever else you want to read into it is your own imagination.

However, regardless of your fantasies, probability is not evidence, so probability cannot be part of evidence.

Harte

originally posted by: tsingtao

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: bottleslingguy

a reply to: Mr Mask







it is so much more than two dishonest men.

You're right here.



It IS much more than just two dishonest men.



Nowadays, it's hundreds of dishonest men.



Harte

yeah, who's side are they on?



that's the question.

Here's the answer - they're on your side.

harte

a reply to: Harte

I stated probability is not evidence

nor is there evidence of any probability that aliens built anything.

originally posted by: bottleslingguy
a reply to: Mr Mask

you can only process linear evidence and can't compute the non-linear type. I'm sorry you'll never get it, but you'll only be able to go so far with your kind of thinking.

Sir, I have gone very far with this line of "thinking". I have thus far shown-

1) you are 100% in lack of any understanding of the evidence, history, scientific data or insight into anything factual about Pumapunku.

2) You are completely lost on the definition of words like "evidence, probability, science, fact," and "possibility".

3) I have also shown you direct evidence that you are wrong about everything you are defending while you present no facts of your own.

You have time and time again offered up half-baked ideas on things that are not creditable or even sensible.

Alls you have shown is that your entire understanding of history comes from a few episodes of a TV show that intentionally suckers people for money.

You keep thinking I am "anti-alien" and have even painted me as anti-UFO. I have made videos supporting both with scientific evidence and facts that are supported by real science and real scientists.

You have done nothing but show that this entire subject is over your head. In all due respect, I must wonder why you even feel you should be entering a debate on this subject with anyone. Its clear you have a very narrow view of it that is entirely based on a hoax.

I'm sorry, but for the sake of my own time, I must stop replying to you until you show at least a small level of research or effort. Until then, I just have to look away from your posts and feel a tad bad for you.

Hugs tho! Good luck finding the truth that I have spent considerable time and effort in explaining to you (and linking you to).

MM

originally posted by: bottleslingguy
a reply to: ZetaRediculian

it's just got to do with what kind of brain you guys have. some people will never be able to understand anything outside their 2d world

This is my last reply to your nonsensical rhetoric.

No, this is not about a brain type. It is about a lack of knowledge on your behalf. You are uneducated on this subject. I'm sorry. You have filled the educational void with silly nonsense out of being lazy and/or gullible.

I do not mean that as rude. I simply see that you have been too lazy to fact check things everyone here has shown you. And too gullible to release yourself from fantasy hogwash that has been spoon fed to you by a dishonest TV show made to profit off the gullible and uneducated.

You are a perfect example of why I spend so much time in my life trying to save the sensibilities of the peers who can not (or will not) educate themselves.

Its not my mind that makes this info wrong. its your refusal or inability to learn that makes "you" wrong.

MM

a reply to: Mr Mask

This is my last reply to your nonsensical rhetoric.

I personally find nonsensical rhetoric very entertaining. I always try to find new and creative ways of explaining very simple concepts to people who don't want to except simple concepts. What would Abbott be without Costello?

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

It doesn't matter how innovative you want them to be, unless the came up with something other than bamboo technology they are just going to sit there staring at rocks. That's where your theory falls apart and you are relying solely on speculation with zero evidence. You guys are hitting the glass ceiling between linear and non-linear thinking. Tell me more about these super duper innovative people.

a reply to: Mr Mask

you have no clue

a reply to: Mr Mask

I don't care how many numbers you list, nothing you presented proved anything except that your grasp of this subject is very shallow.