Aliens made Pumapunku? (CampKill)

a reply to: bottleslingguy

It doesn't matter how innovative you want them to be, unless the came up with something other than bamboo technology they are just going to sit there staring at rocks.

No. Humans are innovative. Look around you. Aliens are not known to exist and are not needed to explain humans building things out of stone.

That's where your theory falls apart and you are relying solely on speculation with zero evidence.

That's kind of a funny thing to say. Humans are innovative. That thing you are typing on sort of proves that. Humans exist. Humans have been known to work with stone. Humans have been known to do some pretty cool stuff. My speculation is that they figured out how build something. humans have been figuring out how to do that since there were humans. Aliens are not known to have built anything ever even on their own planets. Your aliens are imaginary. There really is no example of alien architecture, is there? Take a walk outside there are buildings....everywhere.

You guys are hitting the glass ceiling between linear and non-linear thinking.

Um...I don't think so. You bought into some BS is all. And I am pretty sure you have the concepts backwards.

Tell me more about these super duper innovative people.

That story has been told over and over. Tell me more about your imaginary aliens.

a reply to: Mr Mask

This is my last reply to your nonsensical rhetoric.

I got it from here.

a reply to: ZetaRediculian


C'mon girls, hat-pins back in our handbags!
You all have some moot points on a subject that is prone to speculation and theory and being 'caustic' with each other is not the way to go. When watching the AA shows one gets the impression that Pumapunku is built completely from leggo-like "H-Blocks" which interlock with each other. From what I can gather these blocks represent only a small part of the construction - as do those with grooves and holes bored through them and those with metallic locking pieces.
The question is not only 'how' it was built but 'why' and nobody has come up with an answer acceptable to everybody. There are many aspects of these stones which beggar belief and prompt the question "How the hell did they do that and why"? "They MUST have had some outside help or they were built by a group (Aliens?) with far superior intelligence than our ancestors had at that time"!
The Parthenon was built a thousand years prior to Pumapunku and only recently (thanks to computer/laser technology) have we found just how meticulous this building was constructed using a curved base and delicately angled pillars. How on earth did they have that sort of know-how? It took about 15 years to complete and although totally different in construction, Pumamunku was 100 meters longer and 85 meters wider with some elaborate work on some blocks so must have taken some time although (I believe) it was never completed.
The 'Ancient Alien' subject is a matter for conjecture which will continue to generate much debate. This would be the perfect answer to a number of mysteries in that 'beings' from another galaxy who, with the ability to travel through space, would have the ability to create some extraordinary structures on our planet (and also with the scientific know-how of how to genetically modify our DNA - yet another theory) so we have to continue to speculate and theorize - in a cool and calm manner hopefully.
Have a nice day everyone.

a reply to: OzTiger

so we have to continue to speculate and theorize - in a cool and calm manner hopefully.

a reply to: OzTiger

so we have to continue to speculate and theorize - in a cool and calm manner hopefully.

a reply to: OzTiger

so we have to continue to speculate and theorize - in a cool and calm manner hopefully.

a reply to: OzTiger

so we have to continue to speculate and theorize - in a cool and calm manner hopefully.

a reply to: OzTiger

so we have to continue to speculate and theorize - in a cool and calm manner hopefully.

Why not a race of super humans created by Natzi time travelers? Maybe there were giant Dinosaur people that helped? Maybe they evolved Telekinesis? Why not really smart people?

I am always cool and calm



That was weird. My computer locked up.. that's why there are multiple replies...sorry

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: OzTiger

so we have to continue to speculate and theorize - in a cool and calm manner hopefully.

Why not a race of super humans created by Natzi time travelers? Maybe there were giant Dinosaur people that helped? Maybe they evolved Telekinesis? Why not really smart people?

I am always cool and calm


That was weird. My computer locked up.. that's why there are multiple replies...sorry

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Because 'really smart people', after creating Pumapunku and then leaving it unfinished and/or destroying it, would have moved somewhere else and built something similar but (to the best of my knowledge) they didn't.
After the Egyptians built the pyramids at Giza they didn't built any more. Why? The technology appears to have died with whoever built them and the rest returned to their camels and tents.
If Bolivia had 'really smart people' at that time why then are they not a major power in today's world - or did they move to Russia?

P.S. My computer does some weird and wonderful things too - and I don't believe it is Aliens!

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: Mr Mask

This is my last reply to your nonsensical rhetoric.

I personally find nonsensical rhetoric very entertaining. I always try to find new and creative ways of explaining very simple concepts to people who don't want to except simple concepts. What would Abbott be without Costello?

Stuck on first base?

Harte

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

the thing about innovation is that there has to be a whole series of events leading up to the ability to piggyback off prior intellectual property. There needs to be a whole infrastructure of not only material and mechanical things but also coherent exchange so everyone is on the same page. We were supposedly just out of caves and just like that we start using sophisticated tools to do unimaginable feats of engineering (keep in mind there need to be schools for training and tools and machines to practice with) just to forget how it was done? You are playing both sides of the game here by demanding all this proof (which is found all over the planet) yet when you make up some half-baked theory we're supposed to just take your word for it? Explain how they got so innovative so quickly and don't forget to include what kinds of tools they used because slow speed copper saws ain't gonna cut it.

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: Mr Mask

This is my last reply to your nonsensical rhetoric.

I got it from here.

you're all the same so no sweat on my part

a reply to: OzTiger

that's a great point and when you get to that part these guys will trail off and change the focus. They will say things like "well they were really smart and then they just got real primitive". One would expect a culture with so much ability towards innovation would capitalize on that ability and become a major force in the world, building newer and bigger things. You can say Neanderthals were innovative in the ways they made jewelry but there is a huge difference between that and building such things as we find around the world that have no explanation of either who, why or how.

a reply to: OzTiger

The technology appears to have died with whoever built them and the rest returned to their camels and tents.
If Bolivia had 'really smart people' at that time why then are they not a major power in today's world - or did they move to Russia?

That is a good question. Ancient history is really not my thing but I am pretty sure that specialized knowledge has come and gone many times. There are many traits that that make up "intelligence". The type of intelligence that was required to make such monuments may not have been well suited for long term survival. You only need a few people in a generation to pass along specialized knowledge. Once that chain is broken, the knowledge goes also. Yes, speculation, just like aliens.

P.S. My computer does some weird and wonderful things too - and I don't believe it is Aliens!

well, I am not so sure right now.

a reply to: bottleslingguy

you're all the same so no sweat on my part

That is funny that you said that since I have the same sentiment towards a group of people here that seem to share the same misconceptions and confusion over basic words like probability and possibility. The other thing they do is repeat phrases. in your case its "non-linier thinking". Fascinating

a reply to: bottleslingguy

Because societies change, once you lose the specialist who do x or y it is often impossible to reclaim the art or skill.

It took modern man a generation + to relearn how to make stone tools to the level that ancient man had.

When Europeans invented flintlocks they went looking for sources of flints and often found mines where ancient man had sought the same material, but with the coming of metal had abandoned its use, they had to relearn how to mine flints.

We could not build and man the fleets that fought at Trafalgar, many of those skills are now lost.

We could not built the fleets that fought at Jutland, those methods of manufacture are no longer done, we couldn't build a new exact copy of the Titanic because the skills of hot riveting two iron plates together is no longer done in that manner (with a big fricken hammer)

Stuff is lost; ie how Damascus steel was made, how Stradivari made his violins, etc, etc.

a reply to: OzTiger

They didn't actually leave it unfinished per se, they constantly rebuilt it, modified it or were adding stuff to it over many years. Probably as resources began available or political will was applied or as ritual procedures were changed.

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

It's irony that you can't even spell linear

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

you have no idea what you are talking about with your "specialized knowledge" theory not to mention knowledge and innovation don't cut precise angles in stone. unless you come up with another idea how they shaped the stones you fail in the credibility department. you actually have to say what kind of tool was causing the friction and it would be nice if you included how they moved the stones into position and held them steady repeatedly symmetrical. you know like add some details or explain why this crazy idea sounds so possible to you. otherwise you sound like a linear thinker trying to be non-linear.lol

originally posted by: Hanslune
a reply to: OzTiger

They didn't actually leave it unfinished per se, they constantly rebuilt it, modified it or were adding stuff to it over many years. Probably as resources began available or political will was applied or as ritual procedures were changed.

in other words you don't know what was going on or why it was being done.