Aliens made Pumapunku? (CampKill)

originally posted by: bottleslingguy

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: bottleslingguy

a reply to: Harte



we should get our heads around the first question of us being created by them before we start asking questions like where did THEY come from? You said "life can arise on its own" and I'll ask how you know that? Do you mean like cows growing out of mushrooms, or rocks spontaneously changing into amoebas? What are you talking about?

You realize, I hope, that every bit of the life you claim is "everywhere" cannot have arisen through directed panspermia.



So, life has arisen on its own. Therefore, life can arise on its own.



Harte

I don't dispute that. So then if it has had vastly more time to evolve on some earlier planets than we have had on this one what's wrong with thinking they'd gotten to the point where they wanted to spread out a little?

That's the point - there's nothing wrong with that idea at all.

However, if alien species decided to spread out, exactly how does that serve as evidence of alien visitation in Earth's past?

Again, no one is saying that intelligent aliens "can't" exist. What is lacking is any evidence that they exist here.

Harte

originally posted by: Fylgje
...That nasal whine....(no offense)
Overall good job even though I'm partially on the other side of the fence


Anyways, It would be hard for someone to carve stones to that precision with todays hand tools, let alone 2000+ years ago. I also doubt that 150+ ton stones were moved around like a couch in a living room. The time it would take to carve a stone to that precision, and then moving that stone in to place would be hefty. I'm not saying it's aliens.... I'm just saying there's something that we don't know about, or understand, about the past. I still LOL when I hear most explanations for how the pyramids in Egypt were built by people back then.

Sigh...first off that voice you call a nasally whine gets more chicks than you will ever guess lol. And a lot of people seem to find it very fun to listen to.

Also, no, the work at pumapunku is not complex. Its actually very simple compared to what was achieved 4000 years ago. All stone masons who have commented on the work at pumapunku have stated it is very simple and easy to reproduce with primitive tools. I have no idea where you get this idea that its complex stone work...oh wait, yes i do...the only place such a claim is made...AA.

Anyways, i respect your choice to not look into the details and remain on the false side of the fence built by daniken and friends. But the sad fact is there is zero archeological evidence that says any single site of ancient history was created by aliens.

Oh, and as for the 150 ton blocks...a single human can move a 1 ton block 300 yards in an hour with no mechanical or even metal tools. Do the math. Hundreds of workers can move 150 ton blocks with ease.

Lastly, there are 2 blocks that way over 100 tons at pumapunku. The rest all weigh considerably less.

Oh and the site is not 2000+ years old. it isn't even 1500 years old. Its pretty new compared to the giant works of the Greeks. Nobody said the Greeks needed aliens to outshine Pumapunku, now did they?

Thanks for the comment. Hugs.

MM

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: bottleslingguy

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: bottleslingguy

a reply to: Harte



we should get our heads around the first question of us being created by them before we start asking questions like where did THEY come from? You said "life can arise on its own" and I'll ask how you know that? Do you mean like cows growing out of mushrooms, or rocks spontaneously changing into amoebas? What are you talking about?

You realize, I hope, that every bit of the life you claim is "everywhere" cannot have arisen through directed panspermia.



So, life has arisen on its own. Therefore, life can arise on its own.



Harte

I don't dispute that. So then if it has had vastly more time to evolve on some earlier planets than we have had on this one what's wrong with thinking they'd gotten to the point where they wanted to spread out a little?

That's the point - there's nothing wrong with that idea at all.

However, if alien species decided to spread out, exactly how does that serve as evidence of alien visitation in Earth's past?

Again, no one is saying that intelligent aliens "can't" exist. What is lacking is any evidence that they exist here.

Harte

Exactly.

In fact, if an intelligent species DID visit earth, there would most likely be evidence of such. But there is zero evidence of such. The only claimed evidence is invented lies by the very people who are selling this hoax.

Sadly, the people who fell for it refuse to accept historical accounts, science and proper study. It breaks my heart.

MM

a reply to: Harte

when you weigh the evidence if one percent is true then that one percent is HUGE. I don't doubt some version of the truth has something to do with at least some of the ancient sites. why not?

originally posted by: bottleslingguy
a reply to: Harte

when you weigh the evidence if one percent is true then that one percent is HUGE. I don't doubt some version of the truth has something to do with at least some of the ancient sites. why not?

The reason why not is because we have no evidence of this. Nothing at all to indicate such an event has even taken place once.

So, to believe it, you take it on faith. As long as you're honest with yourself, your reason is not that important. It simply boils down to you believe this because you want to believe it. Because it is something you want to be true.

There are many things in my imagination that I want to be true. But they aren't.

Harte

a reply to: Mr Mask

More chics than I will ever guess? LOLOL 10-4 big buddy

Well, if it's so easy for a primitive people to quarry 150 ton+ stones and move them miles to their destination, then carve them with primitive tools to very good precision, and then build a temple - then why doesn't a lot of people do it now, or since then??? Why build a home or building the way we do??? Modern things decay very fast but the ancient structures still stand. If it were that easy everybody would've been doin' it throughout history.

I would like to see somebody go cut a 150 ton stone with primitive tools. Then, move it 50 miles. Then, carve it to precision with primitive tools and make it fit together with many other stones and stack them. Replicate what's been built and I will believe it. Until then, No. Not buying it.

a reply to: Harte

not true, I didn't want to believe that we were created as a slave species and the first time I heard the idea I was completely opposed to it. It was only after allowing my stubborn ego to trust in the truth that it made sense. I know what it's like to not want to believe in any of this.

a reply to: Fylgje

you're on the right track. It really is as simple as that. They want us to believe these people were so primitive and ignorant that they believed in people from other worlds yet they were so skilled manually they could manipulate mega ton blocks and cut them very slowly with ropes sand and copper saws without making one mistake. Not one degree off? Not to mention, you can only do so much with ropes and logs over uneven terrain within a short timeframe. The skeptics just get slack jawed when you ask if it was so simple why not do it today? like how did they forget something so simple? if it only took basic tools then why do we struggle with such precision today?

originally posted by: bottleslingguy
a reply to: Harte



not true, I didn't want to believe that we were created as a slave species and the first time I heard the idea I was completely opposed to it. It was only after allowing my stubborn ego to trust in the truth that it made sense. I know what it's like to not want to believe in any of this.

So, why did you decide to believe a thing even though there is absolutely no evidence that it is true if you didn't want to believe it?

Masochism?

Harte

originally posted by: Fylgje
a reply to: Mr Mask

More chics than I will ever guess? LOLOL 10-4 big buddy

Well, if it's so easy for a primitive people to quarry 150 ton+ stones and move them miles to their destination, then carve them with primitive tools to very good precision, and then build a temple - then why doesn't a lot of people do it now, or since then??? Why build a home or building the way we do??? Modern things decay very fast but the ancient structures still stand. If it were that easy everybody would've been doin' it throughout history.

I would like to see somebody go cut a 150 ton stone with primitive tools. Then, move it 50 miles. Then, carve it to precision with primitive tools and make it fit together with many other stones and stack them. Replicate what's been built and I will believe it. Until then, No. Not buying it.

Ok...so now I'm gunna show you this...and I guess it will mean nothing.

One man (an old man) making stonehenge in his backyard, with no metal tools. Now I know you will probably say "that's not carvings like Pumpamunku" but the fact remains, it is one older man making Stonehenge in his backyard.

The reason people don't do it today is because its not practical. Invoking aliens to answer simple questions about ancient stonework is just not logical. Even less so when you use the fabricated money-making lies of intentionally dishonest people who have been debunked and exposed for decades selling lies.

originally posted by: bottleslingguy
a reply to: Fylgje

you're on the right track. It really is as simple as that. They want us to believe these people were so primitive and ignorant that they believed in people from other worlds yet they were so skilled manually they could manipulate mega ton blocks and cut them very slowly with ropes sand and copper saws without making one mistake. Not one degree off? Not to mention, you can only do so much with ropes and logs over uneven terrain within a short timeframe. The skeptics just get slack jawed when you ask if it was so simple why not do it today? like how did they forget something so simple? if it only took basic tools then why do we struggle with such precision today?

First off, the AA hoax only works on people who "assume ancient people were ignorant and primitive". The AA lie preys on people who refuse to spend time learning about history, culture and details of the past.

You have taken the lies of these people and incorporated them into your misunderstandings of cultures.

The makers of Pumapunku never left evidence claiming aliens helped them. In fact, none of the cultures AA claim did, actually did.

Above I linked to a video showing an old man who made Stonehenge in his back yard with no metal tools or help.

Pumpapunku is littered with blocks half formed, showing the techniques the makers used. There is no secret to the construction here. Its nonsense to say they created something that scholars can not figure out. Skeptics are not lost on this subject because its been fully documented for decades.

If you want to support lies that are easily dismantled by facts and archeology, that's on you. But don't say that people have no answer to questions you have, because the answers are present and have been for many many years.

MM

originally posted by: Fylgje
Well, if it's so easy for a primitive people to quarry 150 ton+ stones and move them miles to their destination, then carve them with primitive tools to very good precision, and then build a temple - then why doesn't a lot of people do it now, or since then???

Why are there so few people good at swordfighting these days? I mean, they were good at it in the past, after all.

Why build a home or building the way we do??? Modern things decay very fast but the ancient structures still stand. If it were that easy everybody would've been doin' it throughout history.

Megalithic structures are not said to be easy to build, just possible using simple tools and lots of manual labor. In fact, the point of them is usually that they're NOT easy to build, so they convey a sense of wonder.

I would like to see somebody go cut a 150 ton stone with primitive tools. Then, move it 50 miles. Then, carve it to precision with primitive tools and make it fit together with many other stones and stack them. Replicate what's been built and I will believe it. Until then, No. Not buying it.

You should check out the Nova episode about Easter Island.

a reply to: Harte

haha good one!

Pervert

a reply to: bottleslingguy

a reply to: Mr Mask
Heh. I used to move all kinds of furniture by myself to my second story apartment. It IS really easy to move heavy things. I can neither confirm nor deny alien involvement.

originally posted by: conundrummer

Megalithic structures are not said to be easy to build, just possible using simple tools and lots of manual labor. In fact, the point of them is usually that they're NOT easy to build, so they convey a sense of wonder.

Umm, perfectly straight lines, right angles and structures that fit perfectly with no gaps, cutting very hard/dense stones perfectly that modern tools cannot replicate etc. has not been replicated.

Unless there is a video showing how these primitive tools did such things.

originally posted by: igor_ats

originally posted by: conundrummer

Megalithic structures are not said to be easy to build, just possible using simple tools and lots of manual labor. In fact, the point of them is usually that they're NOT easy to build, so they convey a sense of wonder.

Umm, perfectly straight lines, right angles and structures that fit perfectly with no gaps, cutting very hard/dense stones perfectly that modern tools cannot replicate etc. has not been replicated.

Unless there is a video showing how these primitive tools did such things.

Im not sure about Pumapunku but is there any explanation for this?


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originally posted by: igor_ats

originally posted by: conundrummer

Megalithic structures are not said to be easy to build, just possible using simple tools and lots of manual labor. In fact, the point of them is usually that they're NOT easy to build, so they convey a sense of wonder.

Umm, perfectly straight lines, right angles and structures that fit perfectly with no gaps, cutting very hard/dense stones perfectly that modern tools cannot replicate etc. has not been replicated.

Unless there is a video showing how these primitive tools did such things.

There are countless descriptions that show how it was done. In fact, the Egyptians who predated Pumapunku by over 2000 years, left detailed images showing how it is done.

MM

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian

originally posted by: igor_ats

originally posted by: conundrummer

Megalithic structures are not said to be easy to build, just possible using simple tools and lots of manual labor. In fact, the point of them is usually that they're NOT easy to build, so they convey a sense of wonder.

Umm, perfectly straight lines, right angles and structures that fit perfectly with no gaps, cutting very hard/dense stones perfectly that modern tools cannot replicate etc. has not been replicated.

Unless there is a video showing how these primitive tools did such things.

Firstly, all the angels are not perfect. The thumbnail image of that video shows the lie they are telling perfectly. Notice how the square is off. He is saying the angels are perfect, yet the square is showing it is greatly off from perfect.

MM