Climate Change Already Impacting ‘All Continents’ According To New International Report

reply to post by jimmyx

so why do you deniers even care, you have no skin in the game. maybe you should try and make some money off of it yourself. consider it an opportunity to profit off of others belief system.

Maybe because we don't want higher food prices, or energy prices, or other goods and services.

And like to keep what little money we have left.

Instead of letting politicians make more money off lobbyists, and get more votes for not doing a damn thing.

Other than INCREASE the size, and the power they already have.

reply to post by jimmyx

so why do you deniers even care, you have no skin in the game. maybe you should try and make some money off of it yourself. consider it an opportunity to profit off of others belief system.

I don't deny "climate change".

I just thinks it's natural and that "Nature" is 1 billion times stronger than people.

the UN=$$$$$$$$$

reply to post by beezzer


Humorous, yet quite accurate.

xuenchen
reply to post by jimmyx

so why do you deniers even care, you have no skin in the game. maybe you should try and make some money off of it yourself. consider it an opportunity to profit off of others belief system.

 

I don't deny "climate change".

I just thinks it's natural and that "Nature" is 1 billion times stronger than people.

the UN=$$$$$$$$$

Mankind's 'power' pales compared to the mother nature.

Who could chew mankind up, and spit it back out any time it wanted,any without much effort.

The earth has survived, asteroids,comets,super volcanoes, coronal mass ejections. and everything else the universe it has thrown at it.

Mankind can go the way of the dodo, and the earth will keep trucking on.

reply to post by Grimpachi


LOL

This has -zero- to do with religion I think.

It's Mother Nature that you need to be scared of !!

We know for sure "climate change" has happened in great magnitudes over millions of years.

So, how much are "people" contributing to "climate change" compared to Mother Nature?

reply to post by markosity1973

Saying that because the governments of the world wanted a new and inventive way to scam money out of their collective and already overstretched taxpayers by blaming a mythical phenomena is bit of a fabrication. The global data does show that something is happening completely independent of the dreaded tax dept.

Sorry but it has everything to do with it.

We already see the uninformed masses screaming "how do we fix it".

With the idea there is a problem, there has to be a fix. Then how do we get the financing to fix it?

Just one question, how do we currently get government money to "fix" things?

TAXES.

In the end it boils down to money. They just like to leave that little part out of the 'reports".

I can't afford several more hundred dollars a month/year/day to help pay for it. Can you.

Because in the end the little guy gets stuck with the bill, just as ee always do, all the while the rich corporate fat cats fly their multi million dollar jets around telling us how f@$^ked up everything is.

liejunkie01
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Saying that because the governments of the world wanted a new and inventive way to scam money out of their collective and already overstretched taxpayers by blaming a mythical phenomena is bit of a fabrication. The global data does show that something is happening completely independent of the dreaded tax dept.

Sorry but it has everything to do with it.

We already see the uninformed massed screaming "how do we fix it".

With the idea there is a problem, there has to be a fix. Then how do we get the financing to fix it?

Just one question, how do we currently get government money to "fix" things?

TAXES.

In the end it boils down to money. They just like to leave that little part out of the 'reports".

I can't afford several more hundred dollars a month/year/day to help pay for it. Can you.

Because in the end the little guy gets stuck with the bill, just as ee always do, all the while the rich corporate fat cats fly their multi million dollar jets around telling us how f@$^ked up everything is.

But here's the problem, irregardless of taxes and profits, there is a problem. There is man made global warming that will effect coastlines and air quality and droughts and produce. Just because you want to put your head in the proverbial sand doesn't mean this problem will go away. I'm not advocating what actions are the best to take at this point, i'm just saying that the first step in overcoming any problem is to admit there is a problem. Why are you denying science? And the best scientists of our generation...are all saying the same thing. They're all saying it. Why do you deny them?

The question then becomes this...Is every scientist in the world wrong?

4 billion years ago 'modern' man could not survive on this planet.
3 billion years ago 'modern' man still couldn't survive on this planet.
2 billion years ago 'modern' man still couldn't survive on this planet.

Hell even 1 billion years ago he couldn't.

Since man began walking upright it is because of that 'change' he evolved.

He created that famous 'technology' he loves so much.

And even with all the technology at mans disposal.

He is still at the mercy of the climate.

Man is living on borrowed time.

He always has been.

Until the next dominant species comes along.

reply to post by xuenchen

We know for sure "climate change" has happened in great magnitudes over millions of years.

Everyone knows that. The earth has had a way of ballancing itself aside from catastophic forces such as volcanos, and asteroid impacts. In fact you toched on the main factor here. TIME!!!! When climate changes at a naturaul pace it takes a longer period of time. Science has confirmed that. Oh but you don't trust the science.

So, how much are "people" contributing to "climate change" compared to Mother Nature?

That is a good question. Just how much do we contribute to climate change. Again science says we contribute enough to tip the scales where the earth isn't able to ballance things naturauly. The change in climate is not an issue it is the pace at which it is changing that is the issue and our contribution is what makes it unnaturaul.

Either you have to depend on the scientists that specialze in those fields or you educate yourself enough to specialize in those fields yourself. If you do neither then whatever opinion you hold is not based on science at all.

reply to post by amazing

Why are you denying science? And the best scientists of our generation...are all saying the same thing. They're all saying it. Why do you deny them?

Can you point out where I said I was denying science?

Why must I have my head in the sand because I think that this whole ordeal stinks of a money grab?

Tell me this, is the EPA not taking drastic measures to reduce pollution here in the States? Are we not cutting back more than most? Is this not considered taking steps in the right direction?

I am on the side that the climate is always changing, is it not?

Did our ancestors not have to adapt to survive in a changing climate?

So what as a species we should not have to adapt to changing climate? What we should just "will" the weather to stay perfect for us forever?

I consider myself a realist on this subject.

Everybody else is jumping on the " freakout bandwagon".

neo96
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so why do you deniers even care, you have no skin in the game. maybe you should try and make some money off of it yourself. consider it an opportunity to profit off of others belief system.

Maybe because we don't want higher food prices, or energy prices, or other goods and services.

And like to keep what little money we have left.

Instead of letting politicians make more money off lobbyists, and get more votes for not doing a damn thing.

Other than INCREASE the size, and the power they already have.

energy prices go up in spite of governments, in spite of supply and demand....they go up because the oil companies want them to....wells shut down when prices get to low to make a calculated profit. the US oil companies that get oil out of the ground here in the states, turns around and exports it, at the same time it's raising the pump prices on Americans. the government or Obama or the republicans don't have a damn thing to say about it.....there is this theme here on ATS that blames everyone EXCEPT the wealthy (the #1 power in America)

reply to post by jimmyx

energy prices go up in spite of governments

Energy prices go up because of government.

With their taxation,regulation, and bright ideas like fiat currency.

And taxing the air we breathe, and regulating the world.

reply to post by liejunkie01


But it cannot "all stink of a money grab" if every scientist agrees. That's scientific consensus. That's what you're missing. They all agree. Sure, there are people going after the money with some of 'their' solutions. But the problem is that we are having a debate over whether global warming is man made or not and if we can effect some change. It is and we can. The sheep are being confused by this game and thus we do nothing. Our EPA is really toothless and doing nothing of consequence. When things get too polluted for our comfort or the comfort of those in power, we make the EPA do something about it. But that is rare.

I'll quote one of the smartest people on the planet here again.

MICHIO KAKU, PHYSICIST: Climate change is the 800-pound gorilla in the living room that the media dances around. But in the scientific community it's a settled question: 95 percent of scientists believe this is happening with 100 percent confidence temperatures are rising.
With 90 percent confidence, we believe it's human activity and not natural cycles that is driving the increase in temperature on the Earth.

reply to post by liejunkie01

So what as a species we should not have to adapt to changing climate? What we should just "will" the weather to stay perfect for us forever?

Such an awesome comment

What they are doing is social engineering the environment to cater their every neurosis.

For a group of people that claim they believe in 'evolution' their actions say otherwise.

Because they are the antithesis of evolution.

reply to post by neo96

Energy prices go up because of government.

Really. It has nothing to do with the market?

I don't suppose the fact that energy producers also invest heavily in energy futures markets has anything to do with it either. Nice gig; if the price starts falling just cut back on production until it goes back up.

reply to post by Grimpachi


Do you think that SO2 (sulfur dioxide) from volcanoes is a bigger contributor to climate change?

As opposed to CO2 (carbon dioxide) from natural sources or human generated?

Is there any data about CO2 natural vs. human generated?

The scientists must have some answers.

reply to post by Phage

Really. It has nothing to do with the market?

I don't suppose the fact that energy producers also invest heavily in energy futures markets has anything to do with it either. Nice gig; if the price starts falling just cut back on production until it goes back up.

I love the go to deflection.

Blame everyone, and everything except the people who is at fault.

All roads lead to government, not business or the markets.

Because once upon a time the dollar was tied to gold.

Then ended at was replaced with oil. And oil is the world engine.

Because nothing returns what oil does.

Then again that government also REGULATES the markets.

So what there a point there?

reply to post by xuenchen

Do you think that SO2 (sulfur dioxide) from volcanoes is a bigger contributor to climate change?

SO2 produces a cooling effect, since we are seeing a warming trend that would be a no.

Is there any data about CO2 natural vs. human generated?

Yes.
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reply to post by neo96

The point is that, like all markets, the oil market is subject to manipulation.
The point is that it is the market which determines the price of oil.

I suppose that the fact that the US sells gasoline abroad because it gets higher prices abroad means nothing.

reply to post by neo96


There is also historical evidence that some cities that were on the water 2000 years ago are now a couple of miles inland ...That place in Egypt they found recently comes to mind and I think Ephesus is another one ....peace