Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

In the past there have been some odd or unexpected failures on aircraft so there is no telling what may have happened.

Not saying the case here but a plane has run out of fuel because the wrong instrument was installed. Repairs have fatigued and failed over time.

The are many possibilities.

reply to post by Cosmocow


Of course it should be investigated, I've said that all along, but the way some have talked it's already the smoking gun.

Right now finding what happened is the most important thing. If the passports played into it then it will come out. But people have already locked into the passports.

reply to post by Res Ipsa


Oil slicks found, they're long out of fuel, no activation of either automatic or manual locator systems, no radio or cell phone contact, no radar contact.

All that adds up to a crash.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Air France 447 had a copilot who was holding a climb attitude on his joystick,
which caused a stall, while the pilot was trying to fly the aircraft with his joystick.
the co pilot and pilot were holding opposite controls at the same time.

the plane stalled all the way from 37,000 feet tail first into the ocean.

Cause of crash: Pilot Error

Without sitting here for an hour going through 20+ pages of posts, I'll just post this as a joke - whether or not somebody else already posted it or not.

The Event

reply to post by spirited75


And again, that wasn't the point. It was a modern aircraft, with all the modern equipment, that just vanished.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Res Ipsa

 

Oil slicks found, they're long out of fuel, no activation of either automatic or manual locator systems, no radio or cell phone contact, no radar contact.

All that adds up to a crash.

Speculation on the Korean News this a.m: That there was no communication is an indication of a mid-air explosion. I find that more plausible than a complete electrical failure.

Still no wreckage or debris.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Res Ipsa

 

Oil slicks found, they're long out of fuel, no activation of either automatic or manual locator systems, no radio or cell phone contact, no radar contact.

All that adds up to a crash.

no sir, it does not. That is circumstantial evidence at most. Oil slicks....someone already posted that ships leave those or could have left those....and....that it was in shallow water I believe so finding some wreckage isn't like looking for the Titanic....

Long out of fuel.....did I imply that they are flying in circles somewhere?....they could have landed.

You don't know if there was any automatic or manual locator detection, or if there has been any radio or cell phone contact or radar...who is feeding you this classified information? NBC?

Doesn't add up to anything. Common sense and odds certainly point towards a conclusion, but it isn't fact. Is there anyone really dumb enough, or I suppose didn't value their lives, that would bet $5 vs their life that the plane has been destroyed and all life with it?....come on......I would bet $5 vs my life that the Seahawks won the most recent Superbowl that was played...but just think if you find out they crash landed and 7 people survived...you that took the bet get a bullet in the head...was that chance worth the $5 you could have won?

All I am saying....and I can't friggin believe I am saying it yet again......Nobody knows a single fact other than the plane is missing...that is it...there is your fact...missing.......I heard they once found a person that was declared dead...I heard someone was "missing in action" and he showed up years later....I wonder if that happen more than once ever in history?

Zap, this plane had different Rolls engines then Quantas 32 right?

NeoSpace
I thought airports track the planes in real time with GPS these days, surly they have the exact location where communication ceased.

Somewhere in the middle of the ocean, just when the plane reached 35,000 feet. The last transmission reported the plane had dropped 200 feet. It would only continue transmitting so long as all systems had power.

Having two people traveling with false passports isn't good. But if all they found were two oil slicks, that's a bit confusing. Their should be lots of wreckage as well. That would suggest they dumped the fuel.

There was that Air France flight that disappeared in the ocean. It was found mostly intact at the bottom of the sea bed with all the passengers in their seats. It had simply glided down to sea level and sunk.

reply to post by Zaphod58


usual cause of sudden vanishing of modern fully equipped aircraft over ocean:

rapid disintegration due to nitrate based explosion.

That is why I said it was too bad there was not radar of its catastrophic and sudden disintegration.

TWA 800 emitted fragments traveling mach 4+ which equates
to the velocity of either an internal bomb or an external missile.

reply to post by stormcell


i agree.
sudden drop of 200 feet in calm air is pointing to a
velocity imparted upon the structure of the plane from
a source that is not overcoming gravity or drag
but is adding to the force of gravity or drag.

baggage compartments are right under the pilot cabin
and right behind the batteries and electrical components.

reply to post by roadgravel


No. The Triple uses the Trent 800, Qantas 32 uses the Trent 977.

reply to post by Res Ipsa


What, they dropped to low level to avoid radar and flew to a secret airfield?

i love a good disaster what do you expect when people travel in a hollow aluminum tube at hundred's of miles per hour

reply to post by Zaphod58

The Triple uses the Trent 800, Qantas 32 uses the Trent 977.

How different is the design between the two, if you know off the top. Are they very similar other the sizing of some components or is there quite a bit of difference. Just wondering, if you know without doing a lot of research. I'm imagine you're busy.

reply to post by spirited75


That 200 foot drop could be iindicative of a problem, or it could just be a data error caused by the distance from the receiver.

reply to post by roadgravel


It's common to use the same core when it's a similar engine. They change the fan and some internal components.

I BELIEVE the Trent series use a similar core, with some changes to the high and low pressure turbines.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Res Ipsa

 

What, they dropped to low level to avoid radar and flew to a secret airfield?

How could anyone fly a plane at that low of an altitude? It would require sorcery I imagine.
would any flat surface qualify as a "secret airfield?"

Are you personally invested in the demise of this aircraft or any of the people aboard? Are you just hung up on the difference between fact and probability?

I didn't say, nor imply that this flight and passengers are hiding from us at some Casino in Hanoi. I said stop digging graves until we have facts.

reply to post by Zaphod58


possible,
improbable is more statistically cogent.

a "problem" that caused an airliner to suddenly drop 200 feet.

i have flown in updrafts and downdrafts that cause the
descent or ascent of the plane at 500-1000 feet per minute.

for a plane to drop 200 feet in a second or two is a force
greater than that applied by winds.

a malfunction of transmitting/receiving equipment?
and soon after followed by the complete disappearance of the plane.

possible, not probably.

and as long as we are discussing possibilities, we could include: 1. abducted by aliens
2. flying below radar and landed at secret airfield
3. entered wormhole time warp


then we have the 200 foot drop
+
complete disappearance of plane
+
oil slicks on surface of water
=
begin adding up the evidence and it looks like a probably crash.